Originally posted by Decay
i think the problem with arguing scientifically about star wars is that its a fictionl universe, and with different writers its hard to take anything at face value, they have different opinions and all want their characters to be the best. if you really look you will probably find very contradictory things from different scources, so i think the best way to decide is to look at it from the perspective of the person who created the star wars universe.george lucas created the emperor, darth sidious is the only sith lord in the time since darth bane that has been able to acomplish their ancient goal. i think he was designed to be the most powerful sith lord the galaxy has known. while his methods are more directed at manipulation and forseeing the future he was able to defeat the most powerful jedi master on the councel in one to one combat. in a head to head fight im sure there were other sith lords who were better, at combat, but his powers were developed in a different way for a different purpose.
i think sidious is the most powerful sith lord since bane, and possibly ever. in a fight he might not be the most experienced or have the most combat skill, but i think his mastery of the force is equal to or greater than almost any other sith lord.
i heard an analogy that kind of fits. if don king and albert einstien were to play chess, einstein would win, but don king would own the board, the building they were in and hed make millions from promoting it. at the end of the day einstein would have won a game of chess, but don king would be far better off. i think thats kind of like sidious, one on one he might lose to some more aggressive and military minded sith, but in the end he will have manipulated all the events and planned for every outcome and he would be better off. it is his ability to forsee and manipulate that make him the greatest danger and the most successful opponent the jedi order ever faced, not his combat skills. but even then he proved he was a match for any jedi alive.
I generally don't like EU, and I generally dont post in these forums. But this topic interested me since Darth Sidious is my Favorite Star Wars character of all time. I've been reading through this whole thread and this post is possibly the most intelligent thing I've seen in the EU forums. So much so that I HAD to comment on how good it was.
Congrats man, I really think this post technically ends this whole thread and puts everything into a VERY interesting perspective. Its so good I would find it extremely difficult to dispute anything about this post even if I wanted to.
Bravo
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I generally don't like EU, and I generally dont post in these forums. But this topic interested me since Darth Sidious is my Favorite Star Wars character of all time. I've been reading through this whole thread and this post is possibly the most intelligent thing I've seen in the EU forums. So much so that I HAD to comment on how good it was.Congrats man, I really think this post technically ends this whole thread and puts everything into a VERY interesting perspective. Its so good I would find it extremely difficult to dispute anything about this post even if I wanted to.
Bravo
Originally posted by Shadow x 20
That makes Sidious the best because no other Sith conquered the galaxy and turned the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire
With this kind of logic, Xim the Despot could pwn everyone. Afterall, he did rule the entire known galaxy before the Republic even existed, a much more impressive feat than simply engineering a war and a coup from the inside.
Decay's point wasent so good for the fact that "Sidious ruled the galaxy" Thats all been said before.
The main reason his post was so good was when he said this:
he might lose to some more aggressive and military minded sith, but in the end he will have manipulated all the events and planned for every outcome and he would be better off. it is his ability to forsee and manipulate that make him the greatest danger and the most successful opponent the jedi order ever faced, not his combat skills. but even then he proved he was a match for any jedi alive.
What hes saying is; so yea, MAYBE Sidious would not win in a head to head fight with Kun, or Ragnos etc. The difference is that when the head to head fight came Sidious would have manipulated all the events leading up to the head to head fight (a la Mace Windu) and be better off for it. Even if he loses.
So even if he loses, he wins. And he already knows that he wins.
Thats why hes better.
Sidious does not beat you in a straight fight. He already has you beat before you even get to the fight.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Decay's point wasent so good for the fact that "Sidious ruled the galaxy" Thats all been said before.The main reason his post was so good was when he said this:
What hes saying is; so yea, MAYBE Sidious would not win in a head to head fight with Kun, or Ragnos etc. The difference is that when the head to head fight came Sidious would have manipulated all the events leading up to the head to head fight (a la Mace Windu) and be better off for it. Even if he loses.
So even if he loses, he wins. And he already knows that he wins.
Thats why hes better.
Sidious does not beat you in a straight fight. He already has you beat before you even get to the fight.