Ultimate Colossus, and Colossus Respect Thread

Originally posted by JDUP01
Actually Colossus/Juggernaut played the biggest part in defeating Kuurth. It was Colossus who took the Cyttoraks power, pummeling and driving Kuurth back. Every X-man to that point was soundly defeated by Kuurth. Even the so called Omega class mutants.

I’m all for Colossus snapping Spiderman’s neck. But we know that’s not going to happen. So, he throws Spidey in a door way. He can see the guy is still moving around. So what does he do next? Well dimwitted classic Juggernaut would run around smashing into stuff and would eventually trap himself in a pit of cement. This Juggernaut will close the distance by throwing around some doombots to catch our super clever Spiderman off guard. When the tactic works, he tells Spidey to give up before he kills him. A message he received loud and clear. His confession to Daredevil makes it clear he thought himself “paste” if he stuck around.

As for Colossus height. He is as tall as a Hulk in his Juggernaut form. So if Hulk or classic Juggernaut’s height doesn’t bother you, this shouldn’t either. Colossus takes great care not to go into his Demon form. So having a brick taller than Hulk is not something you’ll see very often.

You seem to take what I post and run a strange direction with it.

I know Colossus is the cause for Kuurths defeat. You practically just agreed with what I posted, yet posted it as if you are on the other side of an argument that isn't there. I said Colossus played a big part in it, but it was Kuurth's own power that was going to doom him. If it wasn't for Colossus, the runes Kuurth left behind would not have built up. In the end it wasn't Colossus's punches that were going to kill Kuurth, which is what I'd rather see.

Here is another part you just kind of ran off with; I don't mean for Colossus to snap Spider-Mans neck, just KO him or leave him beaten and/or battered on the ground as Piotr walked away. Or, again, a simple KO that isn't that hazardous to Parker's health, not just torn cloths. But Parker swung away with no known broken bones or visible bruises. Practically any comic character can hurl broken doom-bots. Spider-Man leaving because he thought himself paste doesn't change the fact that Colossus didn't actually beat him. Just in case there some confusion, that fight constitutes a win for the X-men.

As for size, this is what I'm talking about when I say too large:

It seems he changes size throughout this fight and is much smaller by the end. His demon form was much larger than Rulk as well. There is no need to reply to this part of the post, it is just me being picky and agreeing with part of ankur29's post on an overly hulked Colossus.

That first pic just seemed to try and emphasize the sheer power difference between the two imo. Because Pete just looks cartoonish like the way his legs are drawn up and a lot smaller than his upper body.

Maybe you're right. It kinda looks like a McFarlane Spider-Man pose.

Yeah, man. There is literally no way a guy of Pete's sheer size could contort his body like that, even in an attack. Unless this was MvC2.

Was I the only one that wanted Juggernaut and Colossus in MvC3 all rolled into one? (with a Cain Marko alternate...and a normal Colossus alt, maybe)

If I couldn't have both, I wanted at least one of them in there. I used to do Colossus, Juggernaut, Hulk as my number 1 team.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You seem to take what I post and run a strange direction with it.

I know Colossus is the cause for Kuurths defeat. You practically just agreed with what I posted, yet posted it as if you are on the other side of an argument that isn't there. I said Colossus played a big part in it, but it was Kuurth's own power that was going to doom him. If it wasn't for Colossus, the runes Kuurth left behind would not have built up. In the end it wasn't Colossus's punches that were going to kill Kuurth, which is what I'd rather see.

Here is another part you just kind of ran off with; I don't mean for Colossus to snap Spider-Mans neck, just KO him or leave him beaten and/or battered on the ground as Piotr walked away. Or, again, a simple KO that isn't that hazardous to Parker's health, not just torn cloths. But Parker swung away with no known broken bones or visible bruises. Practically any comic character can hurl broken doom-bots. Spider-Man leaving because he thought himself paste doesn't change the fact that Colossus didn't actually beat him. Just in case there some confusion, that fight constitutes a win for the X-men.

As for size, this is what I'm talking about when I say too large:

It seems he changes size throughout this fight and is much smaller by the end. His demon form was much larger than Rulk as well. There is no need to reply to this part of the post, it is just me being picky and agreeing with part of ankur29's post on an overly hulked Colossus.

My point is you seem to want to down play his accomplishments where I'm recognizing them for what they are. And as far as Spiderman goes, SMH. What kind of world do we live in where you can run away from a fight and not be counted the loser. I guess only Spiderman could pull that off. For sure if Colossus had done the same thing, he would have been called out for it.

Originally posted by JDUP01
My point is you seem to want to down play his accomplishments where I'm recognizing them for what they are. And as far as Spiderman goes, SMH. What kind of world do we live in where you can run away from a fight and not be counted the loser. I guess only Spiderman could pull that off. For sure if Colossus had done the same thing, he would have been called out for it.

He's giving Colossus the props he deserves. What he's saying is, it's disappointing that the writers are basically making it impossible for him to have a clean, definitive win. He's done nothing but win since he got his new powers, but it's never been truly official. Like I personally would have felt a lot better if Daredevil had to bargain with Pete to let him take an unconscious Spider-Man away with him.

Originally posted by KingD19
He's giving Colossus the props he deserves. What he's saying is, it's disappointing that the writers are basically making it impossible for him to have a clean, definitive win. He's done nothing but win since he got his new powers, but it's never been truly official. Like I personally would have felt a lot better if Daredevil had to bargain with Pete to let him take an unconscious Spider-Man away with him.

This exactly. I'm not down playing his "accomplishments", I'm calling them like they are.

In that same issue, Captain America fought Gambit. The fight ended with Steve standing over Gambit's unconscious body. Big C's and Spidey's fight ended with Colossus looking up in the air at Spider-Man and Daredevil swinging away, both of which seemed in good condition. Is it too much to ask for Piotr to win a fight by actually beating his opponent, not through some plot device or using their own power against them because his is not enough?

Originally posted by JDUP01
What kind of world do we live in where you can run away from a fight and not be counted the loser. I guess only Spiderman could pull that off. For sure if Colossus had done the same thing, he would have been called out for it.

Really, what kind of stupid comment is this? I posted, "Just in case there some confusion, that fight constitutes a win for the X-men", which means, Colossus won. If Colossus left the battlefield while fighting Spider-Man because Cyke said, "Hopes not here" then Spider-Man would have been the winner. It would not have mattered in Colossus was physically winning the fight or was still capable of fighting. It would have been tallied in The Avengers favor.

Let me put it this way, the Rhino has had a better "win" against Spider-Man. He was beating Spider-Man so bad, Spidey RAN for his life. He escaped using the subway and when he got home, passed out from the injuries. He was beaten and broken, literally.

Originally posted by KingD19
If I couldn't have both, I wanted at least one of them in there. I used to do Colossus, Juggernaut, Hulk as my number 1 team.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
This exactly. I'm not down playing his "accomplishments", I'm calling them like they are.

In that same issue, Captain America fought Gambit. The fight ended with Steve standing over Gambit's unconscious body. Big C's and Spidey's fight ended with Colossus looking up in the air at Spider-Man and Daredevil swinging away, both of which seemed in good condition. Is it too much to ask for Piotr to win a fight by actually beating his opponent, not through some plot device or using their own power against them because his is not enough?

Really, what kind of stupid comment is this? I posted, "Just in case there some confusion, that fight constitutes a win for the X-men", which means, Colossus won. If Colossus left the battlefield while fighting Spider-Man because Cyke said, "Hopes not here" then Spider-Man would have been the winner. It would not have mattered in Colossus was physically winning the fight or was still capable of fighting. It would have been tallied in The Avengers favor.

Let me put it this way, the Rhino has had a better "win" against Spider-Man. He was beating Spider-Man so bad, Spidey RAN for his life. He escaped using the subway and when he got home, passed out from the injuries. He was beaten and broken, literally.

Whatever. I still think you're mixing your video game reality with your comic book reality. Your putting way too much emphasis on KO's and cuts and bruises. That's what is stupid. That stuff means nothing. The end result is all that counts.

Originally posted by JDUP01
Whatever. I still think you're mixing your video game reality with your comic book reality. Your putting way too much emphasis on KO's and cuts and bruises. That's what is stupid. That stuff means nothing. The end result is all that counts.

From a purely logical standpoint, the end result is all that counts. But from a comic book fan standpoint and respect wise standpoint, it isn't so cut and dry.

Originally posted by KingD19
From a purely logical standpoint, the end result is all that counts. But from a comic book fan standpoint and respect wise standpoint, it isn't so cut and dry.

I did not think Marvel would declare Colossus the winner over Spiderman. I thought for sure Colossus would have to job for Spiderman, or get a draw at best. After all, beating classic Juggernaut is a Spiderman specialty. So now here's hoping he gets a win over Thing. Thing has been holding his own vs Namor with relative ease. This is going to be interesting but there should be no way Thing should win.

Namor has been basically "low balled" for this entire AvX arc. Thing should put up a fight, but it shouldn't be as close as it was. Especially considering the people Namor has fought with and held his own against in the past few years.

Thing definitely shouldn't put up a fight against a guy who was tangling with Rulk and Kuurth, but of course the Avenger's are the obvious writer favorites.

Originally posted by JDUP01
My point is you seem to want to down play his accomplishments where I'm recognizing them for what they are. And as far as Spiderman goes, SMH. What kind of world do we live in where you can run away from a fight and not be counted the loser. I guess only Spiderman could pull that off. For sure if Colossus had done the same thing, he would have been called out for it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Namor has been basically "low balled" for this entire AvX arc. Thing should put up a fight, but it shouldn't be as close as it was. Especially considering the people Namor has fought with and held his own against in the past few years.

Thing definitely shouldn't put up a fight against a guy who was tangling with Rulk and Kuurth, but of course the Avenger's are the obvious writer favorites.

True. My theory is they've been having Thing match up vs Namor even in water so they can justify a win vs Colossus. Or even a strong showing where he won't get soundly defeated. The way I look at it, Marvel owes Colossus one for having him job for Rulk. Giving him a courtesy win over Spiderman isn't going to be good enough for me.

Originally posted by SamZED
You sure you recognise them for what they are? What part of this scan screams "Spider-man pussied out" to you?

It's actually made pretty clear he's willing to stay and fight for as long as it takes even if it gets him killed. He's always like that when someone's in danger. And he only left because there was no point in fighting any more. So what's the problem? It's not like the outcome of the fight was a mystery to anyone. Colossus knew it, every reader knows it, Spider-man knew he can't really beat him but was willing to fight anyway. In the end he simly lost by self-BFR instead of getting killed/knocked out which definitely WOULD'VE happened if he stayed. Everyone knows this so what's the difference? You act as if Spider-man left and they counted it as a draw.

The part where he leaves. Only Pussies run from a fight. This is a vs comic, right? But you're right. He had no business there anymore. And nothing to prove as he knew he was going to lose. Best he tuck that tail between his legs and GO.

Originally posted by JDUP01
The part where he leaves. Only Pussies run from a fight. This is a vs comic, right? But you're right. He had no business there anymore. And nothing to prove as he knew he was going to lose. Best he tuck that tail between his legs and GO.

They went there to find Hope. Spider-man was hurting but was willing to go 10 more rounds and Colossus making death threats didn't stop him. Daredevil did. By telling him Hope's not there. So they left. Because you know... saving the world is a bit more important than wasting days trying to beat an unbeatable opponent... Which Spider-man was willing to do as long as it gave DD time to look for Hope. Yeah that has cowardice written all over it. 😬
The book is called vs but it's not a tournament where winning is the ultimate goal. They're trying to stop Phoenix.

Originally posted by SamZED
So much fail in this logic.. I guess Colossus pussied out as well when he stopped fighting Rulk? Cause only pussies give up without a fight? 😬 Makes about as much sense...

They went there to find Hope. Spider-man was hurting but was willing to go 10 more rounds and Colossus making death threats didn't stop him. Daredevil did. By telling him Hope's not there. So they left. Because you know... saving the world is a bit more important than wasting days trying to beat an unbeatable opponent... Which Spider-man was willing to do as long as it gave DD time to look for Hope. Yeah that has cowardice written all over it. 😬
The book is called vs but it's not a tournament where winning is the ultimate goal. They're trying to stop Phoenix.

Ok, so let me ask you, would Hulk have left that fight? Would Wolverine have left that fight? Would Punisher have left that fight? Let me make it simple for you, NO. And yes, Colossus allowing himself to get KO'd is an act of total weakness. That act set his character back big time.

Gonna disagree with you on both points there. If Hulk was in control of himself(and he usually is these days), or Wolverine or Punisher were in that same position. They'd have left. Finding Hope and stopping the Earth from being eaten by a cosmic fire bird takes precedent over like Sam said, trying to stop someone who has Unstoppable in his name. They can always finish the fight later. It's a comic, any reason to start up a fight again will do.

And Colossus allowing himself to get KO'd was the exact opposite. It took a supreme amount of inner strength and will power to override the almost total influence of a Demon God who was willing him to destroy the most important support structure for Utopia. If he'd beaten Rulk or gone so far as to kill him, he would have snapped that support beam like a twig and potentially killed everyone on that island. So letting Rulk beat him was an act of strength; not physical, but mental and spiritual. We already saw he had enough physical strength to beat Rulk like a step child before he turned back to normal.