Ultimate Colossus, and Colossus Respect Thread

Originally posted by JDUP01
”At some point they stop treating me like a ball they’re all trying to carry down field….and just start trying to kill each other”. Hope’s words, not mine. They then show each hero battling one on one, totally ignoring Hope and the Phoenix Force. Not until the Phoenix is upon them do they snap out of it.

I just hope they bring the classic Juggs back. Enough with the depowered/alt characters versions.

Originally posted by steve2275

Also, im sure Colossusnaut will win this fight. There's not enough PIS in the world for it to go the other way around. Besides, Ben already won few fights while Colossus lost one and won one (and that one wasn't even finished) He must have a solid win.

i dont see how rulk looked stronger, his headbutt nor his left punch even budged colossus, his double fisted punch although knocked colossus a few feet back didnt even tickle him. catching a punch =/= being stronger than the person.colossus is barley even fighting here.

THIS IS COLOSSUS ACTIVELY TRYING TO FIGHT and not holding back

see the difference guys?

colossus is holding back..

by the way kuurth>>>>>Rulk

👆

Logan stopped Creed's punch, for example.

Rulk looked like he hurt himself when he headbutted Piotr.

Yea, Colossus appears to be holding back when he's not emitting energy from his body or obviously in demon mode.

Originally posted by KingD19
What do you mean twice now?

The first time Piotr powered down and let him win so he wouldn't kill Rulk and destroy Utopia in the process.

This time we didn't even see them fight more than opening blows, then Piotr got Phoenixefied.

A bit disappointed that Hope so easily one shotted Juggernaut Colossus. On the bright side, Thor looks even more impressive for withstanding shots from the real deal.

Originally posted by carver9
The writer basically said 'Colossonaut isn't a fight for Red Hulk, let's pass him to the Thing', a couple of tiers below Red Hulk (who isn't even using his full power). The bad thing about this is, Thing giving Colossonaut a good fight. If this happens, the character is ruined. If he have to transform to beat thing, that will still look terrible for the character. He NEEDS to beat thing under his own power.

stop with this nonsense Carter, Rulk is incapable of beating colossonaut, thats a fact that has been proven before, thing is giving colossonaut a good fight? 😆 why just because he can punch him, did you see any damage done to him at all, we all know thing and Rulk can lift more than 80 tons, so is not so difficult to BFR colossus, thats all they did to him, no damage, no blood, NOTHING... and did you see colossus inner dialog? he was calm all the time, unlike when he was fighting Kuurth, in that fight he was dead serious.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A bit disappointed that Hope so easily one shotted Juggernaut Colossus. On the bright side, Thor looks even more impressive for withstanding shots from the real deal.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i dont see how rulk looked stronger, his headbutt nor his left punch even budged colossus, his double fisted punch although knocked colossus a few feet back didnt even tickle him. catching a punch =/= being stronger than the person.colossus is barley even fighting here.

Rulk just cant beat Colossus, colossus is tronger, more durable and Unstoppable, he can wreck Rulk anytime he wishes for..(check how huge colossus is compared to Rulk and he aint in his demon form)

Originally posted by guy222
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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus is holding back..

by the way kuurth>>>>>Rulk

Demon Colossus>FP Kuuth>>all out Colossus>>DP Kuurth(with magical lightning enchanted Uru Hammer)>>Rulk>>no helmet Colossus>>Thing

if Colossus goes into a "I dont give a shit demon form", both Rulk and thing are turn into paste in a hurry

Originally posted by SamZED
One of them is Wolverine who tends to go into berserkers rage, the other is Colossus who is posessed by an evil deamon... And unlike that fight these weren't pointless. It's the winner takes all kind of match. The fight with Juggs would've been nothing but a waste of time. Different situation.

I just hope they bring the classic Juggs back. Enough with the depowered/alt characters versions.

SMH. Nice spin. I see a bright future in cable news for you.

Sure, Marvel can use another random bad guy brick for the Hulk’s ten year old to kick around. Classic Juggernaut fits that bill. For sure he would have no part in AvX.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
who cares about thor here??

If we talke about anyone on this thread other than Colossus, it should be Hercules. He is superior to Thor in hand to hand combat.

Originally posted by carver9
The writer basically said 'Colossonaut isn't a fight for Red Hulk, let's pass him to the Thing', a couple of tiers below Red Hulk (who isn't even using his full power). The bad thing about this is, Thing giving Colossonaut a good fight. If this happens, the character is ruined. If he have to transform to beat thing, that will still look terrible for the character. He NEEDS to beat thing under his own power.

His own power? Any stage Colossus uses is his own power. You don't see Hulk power down to Banner when he goes into a fight. Or Thor put his hammer down. Yeah, we all know Thing historically is not much against the top bricks. But Marvel has intentionally had him have good showing vs Namor. They've basically shown us this isn't the same old Thing. He's now more of a powerhouse.

Originally posted by JDUP01
SMH. Nice spin. I see a bright future in cable news for you.

Originally posted by Reacting2
this, how getting BFR bad at all, I saw no blood from Colossus, I saw no damage, I saw a unstoppable juggernaut that got BFR, as always, because they are too much to brawl with

Originally posted by SamZED
I see yours in school education. The future never looked so bright.

This. No different from the time WWHulk fought Cain.

Lame come back. I take it back.

BFR is a loss. As a fighter you have to stay on the battlefield. If you manage to tactically get removed or you run off (whatever your excuse may be), you are the loser. As these bricks get more and more equal in power, you see alot more of that. Now I'm not saying iit's an ideal win, but it's designed to save face for the loser. It shows they have the physical goods to get the job done, but they are not at the same skill level.

Originally posted by JDUP01
Lame come back. I take it back.

BFR is a loss. As a fighter you have to stay on the battlefield. If you manage to tactically get removed or you run off (whatever your excuse may be), you are the loser. As these bricks get more and more equal in power, you see alot more of that. Now I'm not saying iit's an ideal win, but it's designed to save face for the loser. It shows they have the physical goods to get the job done, but they are not at the same skill level.

Jokes aside, Imo it's actually designed so the "winner" could save face and not the other way around. Like that Hulk/Juggs fight. Hulk's main weapon - physical strength, Juggernaut is supposed to be immune to physical attacks. But Hulk HAD to win somehow because he's the hero of the book. So they used a silly distraction followed by BFR. In other words PIS.

Same thing with Rulk vs Colossus. Colossus outclassed Rulk in every way, but he was an Avenger and the writers wanted him to win, so what did they do? They conveniently placed them by the main support pillar and made Colossus so destruction bound that he would have killed Rulk and destroyed Utopia in the process, so he let himself lose.

Originally posted by SamZED
Yo mama is lame. Better?

Jokes aside, Imo it's actually designed so the "winner" could save face and not the other way around. Like that Hulk/Juggs fight. Hulk's main weapon - physical strength, Juggernaut is supposed to be immune to physical attacks. But Hulk HAD to win somehow because he's the hero of the book. So they used a silly distraction followed by BFR. In other words PIS.

No. It lacks originality.

BFR does not equal PIS. Hulk vs Juggernaut is not a scenario where one will physically dominate the other. So tactically removing one from the field is the only option. One of the fighters must outwit the other through strategy. If not, one would have to submit or be KO’d. The winner does not need to save face because they won. The loser on the other hand will save face because they were removed from the fight and did not submit or get KO’d.

By the way, KG stated on his Formspring that the PF and Cytorrak deal will be played out in future issues of Uncanny. This is good news.

Originally posted by KingD19
Same thing with Rulk vs Colossus. Colossus outclassed Rulk in every way, but he was an Avenger and the writers wanted him to win, so what did they do? They conveniently placed them by the main support pillar and made Colossus so destruction bound that he would have killed Rulk and destroyed Utopia in the process, so he let himself lose.

Rulk was inferior to Demon Colossus. That is true. Rulk took a serious beat down from Colossus and it was obvious he would have lost. Even though Rulk won by Colossus submitting, there is no way Rulk could save face.

Originally posted by JDUP01
No. It lacks originality.

BFR does not equal PIS. Hulk vs Juggernaut is not a scenario where one will physically dominate the other. So tactically removing one from the field is the only option. One of the fighters must outwit the other through strategy. If not, one would have to submit or be KO’d. The winner does not need to save face because they won. The loser on the other hand will save face because they were removed from the fight and did not submit or get KO’d.

By the way, KG stated on his Formspring that the PF and Cytorrak deal will be played out in future issues of Uncanny. This is good news.

As for saving face, losing because of some surcamstences (or plot) does not always make you look bad. Think Colossus' first fight with Red Hulk. Technically Colossus lost. But he made Rulk his personal punching bag throughout most of the fight and was clearly winning until PIS interfered. Colossus was shown to be superior and only lost because he himself allowed it to happen. So he didn't need to save face. It is Rulk who needed that plot device because he was getting stomped on.

Originally posted by SamZED
Never said it's always PIS but it is often the case. No PIS, no CIS, no BFR there's only one way for Hulk vs Juggernaut fight to end. Noone will be clearly dominating but one of them will end up on the floor eventually. And it's not going to be Juggernaut. So imo that particular scene was the case of writers looking for a way for Hulk to win.

As for saving face, losing because of some surcamstences (or plot) does not always make you look bad. Think Colossus' first fight with Red Hulk. Technically Colossus lost. But he made Rulk his personal punching bag throughout most of the fight and was clearly winning until PIS interfered. Colossus was shown to be superior and only lost because he himself allowed it to happen. So he didn't need to save face. It is Rulk who needed that plot device because he was getting stomped on.

Sounds like we agree on a couple of points. BFR does not always equal PIS. Rulk vs Demon Colossus was a product of PIS.

As far as Juggernauts superiority to Hulk, do you think Banner would have used Juggernaut as a stepping stone for Skaar to battle Hulk if that were the case? It was a case of here’s a guy with potentially equal power. Beat him and MAYBE you have a shot at Hulk.