An Atheist celebrating Christmas?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
dont get me wrong, i am not trying to convert anyone here, i am just saying that everyone needs to believe in something. just pick something and stick with it, stick with your faith. whether it is christianity, atheism, or whatever.

Number one, atheism is not a belief, rather, it is a lack of belief.

Number two, I do stick to it. I do not celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday, nor does anyone I know. My family just simply takes it as a day where we can all just hang out together, have fun, and give each other stuff. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with religion.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
okay look ppl i really didnt want to say this but a lot of events from the bible were taken from other religions and just slightly twisted to make it fit 😬

Yet another fact I thought was common knowledge.....

BTW, I'm only replying to Lana.

Ignoring the trolls

As to your Hell question Lana, Satan is the adversary of God, right?. Thus, Satan is evil personified. Many followers of the Bible consider Satan to be a real being, a spirit created by God. Satan and the other spirits who followed him rebelled against God. They were cast out from Heaven by their Creator.

Satan was allowed to set up his own kingdom in Hell and to send out devils to prowl the earth for converts. The demonic world seems to have been allowed to exist for one purpose only, to tempt humans to turn away from God.

But unfortuantly Lana, knowing you are against this right. Nobody knows why God lets Satan live and torment us. God is God and can do whatever He wants. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
okay look ppl i really didnt want to say this but a lot of events from the bible were taken from other religions and just slightly twisted to make it fit 😬

Originally posted by Demarest
BTW, I'm only replying to Lana.

Ignoring the trolls

As to your Hell question Lana, Satan is the adversary of God, right?. Thus, Satan is evil personified. Many followers of the Bible consider Satan to be a real being, a spirit created by God. Satan and the other spirits who followed him rebelled against God. They were cast out from Heaven by their Creator.

Satan was allowed to set up his own kingdom in Hell and to send out devils to prowl the earth for converts. The demonic world seems to have been allowed to exist for one purpose only, to tempt humans to turn away from God.

But unfortuantly Lana, knowing you are against this right. Nobody knows why God lets Satan live and torment us. God is God and can do whatever He wants. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die.

"ours is not to question why"

That's such bullshit. Why SHOULDN'T you question something? I'm sorry, but why would people be inquisitive by nature if they're not meant to question something, especially something that makes no sense?

No wonder Jesus referred to his followers as his flock and lambs -- because for the most part, it seems that they are unquestioning sheep, and I find that quite sad 😬

But then again, I'm not surprised, as I was kicked out of CCD for that exact reason - questioning things that I found to make no sense.

Originally posted by Demarest
BTW, I'm only replying to Lana.

Ignoring the trolls

As to your Hell question Lana, Satan is the adversary of God, right?. Thus, Satan is evil personified. Many followers of the Bible consider Satan to be a real being, a spirit created by God. Satan and the other spirits who followed him rebelled against God. They were cast out from Heaven by their Creator.

Satan was allowed to set up his own kingdom in Hell and to send out devils to prowl the earth for converts. The demonic world seems to have been allowed to exist for one purpose only, to tempt humans to turn away from God.

But unfortuantly Lana, knowing you are against this right. Nobody knows why God lets Satan live and torment us. God is God and can do whatever He wants. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die.

I'll question whatever I want, because I can and it is my nature. If it is not our right to question, why did God give us the ability?

Lets talk in terms of Star Wars...

Theres canon, and expanded universe. (Canon being everything that actually exists today, EU being religion)

Theres no denying the Earth was created. This is canon. Now there's two ways to choose how it was created, Canon as in the scientific universal gases and stuff that was posted previously. The EU way is that God created it.

EU can be used to explain things, but its only followed by those who want to find some way of explaining how it happens. The who, why is EU, the how is canon. We know how the Earth was created. NOBODY knows who, or why it was created. So they go to religion for answers.

People who arent religious, have no need for a who and why. They accept how and have no need to further question it.

I've forgotten my point, but one I just thought of was that canon and EU dont go together. They are two seperate entities, with two seperate followers. Canon is not explained with EU. EU is derived from canon though.

Originally posted by hotsauce6548
I'll question whatever I want, because I can and it is my nature. If it is not our right to question, why did God give us the ability?

Exactly.

Originally posted by Mišt
Lets talk in terms of Star Wars...

Theres canon, and expanded universe. (Canon being everything that actually exists today, EU being religion)

Theres no denying the Earth was created. This is canon. Now there's two ways to choose how it was created, Canon as in the scientific universal gases and stuff that was posted previously. The EU way is that God created it.

EU can be used to explain things, but its only followed by those who want to find some way of explaining how it happens. The who, why, the how is canon. We know how the Earth was created. NOBODY knows who, or why it was created. So they go to religion for answers.

People who arent religious, have no need for a who and why. They accept how and have no need to further question it.

I've forgotten my point, but one I just thought of was that canon and EU dont go together. They are two seperate entities, with two seperate followers. Canon is not explained with EU. EU is derived from canon though.

That is ****ing awesome 😆

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
explain, please.

Originally posted by Mišt
Lets talk in terms of Star Wars...

Theres canon, and expanded universe. (Canon being everything that actually exists today, EU being religion)

Theres no denying the Earth was created. This is canon. Now there's two ways to choose how it was created, Canon as in the scientific universal gases and stuff that was posted previously. The EU way is that God created it.

EU can be used to explain things, but its only followed by those who want to find some way of explaining how it happens. The who, why is EU, the how is canon. We know how the Earth was created. NOBODY knows who, or why it was created. So they go to religion for answers.

People who arent religious, have no need for a who and why. They accept how and have no need to further question it.

I've forgotten my point, but one I just thought of was that canon and EU dont go together. They are two seperate entities, with two seperate followers. Canon is not explained with EU. EU is derived from canon though.

Mist... You're my God. droolio

Originally posted by Lana
"ours is not to question why"

That's such bullshit. Why SHOULDN'T you question something? I'm sorry, but why would people be inquisitive by nature if they're not meant to question something, especially something that makes no sense?

No wonder Jesus referred to his followers as his flock and lambs -- because for the most part, it seems that they are unquestioning sheep, and I find that quite sad 😬

But then again, I'm not surprised, as I was kicked out of CCD for that exact reason - questioning things that I found to make no sense.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Noah's Arc was ripped directly from an old babalonian Myth involveing a massive flood, for the same reasons and the exact same amount of time, except it was discovered almost 1000 years before the bible.

thank you

Originally posted by hotsauce6548
I'll question whatever I want, because I can and it is my nature. If it is not our right to question, why did God give us the ability?

Originally posted by Lana
"ours is not to question why"

That's such bullshit. Why SHOULDN'T you question something? I'm sorry, but why would people be inquisitive by nature if they're not meant to question something, especially something that makes no sense?

No wonder Jesus referred to his followers as his flock and lambs -- because for the most part, it seems that they are unquestioning sheep, and I find that quite sad 😬

But then again, I'm not surprised, as I was kicked out of CCD for that exact reason - questioning things that I found to make no sense.

God sets you up for challenges in life. The most terrible things in life such as you in desperate need for help or you've lost your best friend is what God does for you so that you make you strong and have faith in yourself, that you are the most gifted person in the Kingdom of God.

As to the "flock thing", Throughout scripture, there is a common metaphor of shepherd and flock.

1 Sam. 17:34-36: "But David said to Saul, 'Your servant used to keep his father's sheep, and when a lion or a bear came and took a lamb out of the flock, I went out after it and struck it, and delivered the lamb from its mouth; and when it arose against me, I caught it by its beard, and struck and killed it. Your servant has killed both lion and bear;'" ...

John 10:7,9 & 14-15: "Then Jesus said to them again, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. ... I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.'

'I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.'"

Originally posted by Mišt
Lets talk in terms of Star Wars...

Theres canon, and expanded universe. (Canon being everything that actually exists today, EU being religion)

Theres no denying the Earth was created. This is canon. Now there's two ways to choose how it was created, Canon as in the scientific universal gases and stuff that was posted previously. The EU way is that God created it.

EU can be used to explain things, but its only followed by those who want to find some way of explaining how it happens. The who, why is EU, the how is canon. We know how the Earth was created. NOBODY knows who, or why it was created. So they go to religion for answers.

People who arent religious, have no need for a who and why. They accept how and have no need to further question it.

I've forgotten my point, but one I just thought of was that canon and EU dont go together. They are two seperate entities, with two seperate followers. Canon is not explained with EU. EU is derived from canon though.

Originally posted by Demarest
BTW, I'm only replying to Lana.

Ignoring the trolls

"Trolls"?
Nobody here is targeting you, or bashing you. You have posted questions, we are trying to answer them. We have also asked you questions, but you have not yet answered them reasonably.

Referring to everyone as trolls, or telling them to shut up just because they dont agree with you, will only point you out as ignorant and stupid. Nobody here thinks you are, so dont make it appear as if you are.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
lana, you are a mod. why do you insist on calling what he believes in bullshit?
it makes no sense to you, fine, but dont call what he believes in bullshit. i thought part of your job was to end arguments, not instigate them.

I'm not breaking any rules.

And I wouldn't call this an argument, as no one has gone to senseless name calling. It's actually a more civilised debate than what is usually seen in the GDF.

Originally posted by Demarest
God sets you up for challenges in life. The most terrible things in life such as you in desperate need for help or you've lost your best friend is what God does for you so that you make you strong and have faith in yourself, that you are the most gifted person in the Kingdom of God.

That's not God making you strong. That's you doing it yourself.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
dude. please tell me you are joking. comparing christ to a hollywood movie?

Do you have a better way of describing it? Why does it matter if I compare it to a pile of grass clippings, as long as I can set it out clearfully. You just told Lana she should be ending arguments instead of instigating them, so why are you doing the same?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you DO believe in god?

No, I do not. I was saying it under the pretense of Christianity. If God really did create us--as you believe--why did he give us the ability to question him if he didn't want it done?

Originally posted by Demarest
God sets you up for challenges in life. The most terrible things in life such as you in desperate need for help or you've lost your best friend is what God does for you so that you make you strong and have faith in yourself, that you are the most gifted person in the Kingdom of God.

This is in itself silly. Making me the most gifted person because I can overcome weaknesses such as losing a friend....what about my friend's weaknesses to overcome? They are dead, why is that fair for them, just so I can overcome a weakness?