Batman vs Doc Ock

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
In the comic book world, super strength constitutes victory half the time- the other half is intelligence. Also, you assume that Spiderman is much faster than Batman when I think their speeds are closer than you think. BOTH Spiderman and Batman dodge bullets and run around their panels like dopple gangers. I wager that Batman's speed is at least comparable to Spiderman. Batman can avoid Doc's arms just as good as Spidey. Also, Just because Punisher has guns doesn't mean he would do better than Batman. Explain why Punisher has such a hard time with BULLSEYE. If Spidey can get close enough to punch out Ock with one freakin punch, don't you think Batman would be intelligent enough to find a way to beat Octavious? Batman- the guy that can predict where Impulse lands? COMON!

Wow. You obviously don't know much about Spider-Man. There is no way that his speed is comparable to Batman's. He is 15x faster than Batman(a normal human), has 40x his reflexes not to mention his spider-sense which doesn't increase his speed but helps him to dodge attacks. Batman doesn't really "dodge" bullets, he sees where the barrels are aimed and then tries to move out of the way. Sometimes even then he gets shot. Spider-Man "sees" where the bullets are and then move out of the way.

And actually Punishers guns would help him more against Doc Ock. Guns and other explosives like grenades can be used from a distance, meaning Frank can stay out of the range of the tentacles. Also bullets move really fast so Otto will have to keep on the defensive in order to block them. Thats two advantages to Frank already, Batman has batarangs, but they don't move as fast or are they as dangerous. Otto will just knock the 'rags out of the air. Batman will have to try to get in close to win, and thats when he dies.

And predicting where Impulse lands is not a real big feat, Slade does it on a day-to-day basis

What can Batman do? One hit to his face and he is literally dead.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
In the comic book world, super strength constitutes victory half the time- the other half is intelligence. Also, you assume that Spiderman is much faster than Batman when I think their speeds are closer than you think. BOTH Spiderman and Batman dodge bullets and run around their panels like dopple gangers. I wager that Batman's speed is at least comparable to Spiderman. Batman can avoid Doc's arms just as good as Spidey. Also, Just because Punisher has guns doesn't mean he would do better than Batman. Explain why Punisher has such a hard time with BULLSEYE. If Spidey can get close enough to punch out Ock with one freakin punch, don't you think Batman would be intelligent enough to find a way to beat Octavious? Batman- the guy that can predict where Impulse lands? COMON!

Doc 8 or 9/10

Originally posted by brainchild81
You might want to brush up on your Spider-Man reading. There's a link to the Respect Spidey thread in my sig. There's also a Spidey-sense link. All of Spidey's physical abilities are superhuman, including his speed. I've seen a book where some guy pulls out a gun on Spidey. Spidey tells him "I laugh @ bullets". The superspeed & the Spidey-sense(Batman has neither) allow Spidey to avoid bullets and tentacles better than almost anybody. Batman has done some good movement but he's also been tagged by bullets plenty of times. That's why he needs that protective suit. Spidey is famous for just wearing spandex. The other posters already informed you on why Frank would give Ock trouble. Bats can win this, but only if he's faaaar away from the start.

For whoever said that Spidey was 15x faster than Batman, they need to reassess their beliefs. Spiderman got tagged by a lob-sided pumpkin thrown at him. Or how 'bout the time Punisher shot his webs off. How about when Kingpin tagged Spiderman with a box crate. A normal human runs at 25 miles per hour. If Spidey was indeed 15x as fast, he'd be freakin running at 375 miles per hour , literally so fast that he'd think about running, speed up, and ram his head through a hundred different buildings. This is obviously not the case, and as well as you know, Batman is above human peak. You can't say that Spidey is unreasonably faster than Batman, and that Batman stands no chance against Doctor Octavious.

You have to put into account that Batman is a much more consistent tactician and strategist than Spiderman (regardless of who is smarter than who), is strong enough to rip air ducts off of buildings, and fast enough to dodge multiple projectiles at a time. If Batman used that adhesive stuff he used on Superman and used his cutting laser to rip the adamantium out of Dr.Ock's skin, it would not be PIS. Batman CAN and WILL defeat Doctor Octavious. Punisher and Spiderman- two superheroes- put the world of hurt on Ock, yet you can't even believe Batman, and man obviously more resourceful than BOTH of them, is going to fail?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
For whoever said that Spidey was 15x faster than Batman, they need to reassess their beliefs. Spiderman got tagged by a lob-sided pumpkin thrown at him. Or how 'bout the time Punisher shot his webs off. How about when Kingpin tagged Spiderman with a box crate. [B]A normal human runs at 25 miles per hour. If Spidey was indeed 15x as fast, he'd be freakin running at 375 miles per hour , literally so fast that he'd think about running, speed up, and ram his head through a hundred different buildings. This is obviously not the case, and as well as you know, Batman is above human peak. You can't say that Spidey is unreasonably faster than Batman, and that Batman stands no chance against Doctor Octavious.

[/B]

Jesus, are you still clinging to this? Batman doesn't evade bullets more consistently than Spider-man dodging them. No matter how much you want to disregard what Marvel officially tells of their characters, you can't change facts.

Peak human is just that, peak human. Spider-man sure as hell ain't peak human.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
You have to put into account that Batman is a much more consistent tactician and strategist than Spiderman (regardless of who is smarter than who), is strong enough to rip air ducts off of buildings, and fast enough to dodge multiple projectiles at a time. If Batman used that adhesive stuff he used on Superman and used his cutting laser to rip the adamantium out of Dr.Ock's skin, it would not be PIS. Batman CAN and WILL defeat Doctor Octavious. Punisher and Spiderman- two superheroes- put the world of hurt on Ock, yet you can't even believe Batman, and man obviously more resourceful than BOTH of them, is going to fail?

Againt, those traits are best used with prep. No prep means those good things about bats means very little. Your scenario with Doc Ock is already so unrealistic considering it almost makes it seem he would just stand there and do nothing. He's not superman you know and he sure as hell won't reason with himself before he kills bruce.

And for the love of God, read Spider-man before making the assumption that he would get caught by what Batman dishes out.

Almost everything he tries is nullified by Spider-man's pre-cog, reflexes, agility and skill not to mention the mobility that web-swinging affords him.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
For whoever said that Spidey was 15x faster than Batman, they need to reassess their beliefs. Spiderman got tagged by a lob-sided pumpkin thrown at him. Or how 'bout the time Punisher shot his webs off. How about when Kingpin tagged Spiderman with a box crate. [B]A normal human runs at 25 miles per hour. If Spidey was indeed 15x as fast, he'd be freakin running at 375 miles per hour , literally so fast that he'd think about running, speed up, and ram his head through a hundred different buildings. This is obviously not the case, and as well as you know, Batman is above human peak. You can't say that Spidey is unreasonably faster than Batman, and that Batman stands no chance against Doctor Octavious.

You have to put into account that Batman is a much more consistent tactician and strategist than Spiderman (regardless of who is smarter than who), is strong enough to rip air ducts off of buildings, and fast enough to dodge multiple projectiles at a time. If Batman used that adhesive stuff he used on Superman and used his cutting laser to rip the adamantium out of Dr.Ock's skin, it would not be PIS. Batman CAN and WILL defeat Doctor Octavious. Punisher and Spiderman- two superheroes- put the world of hurt on Ock, yet you can't even believe Batman, and man obviously more resourceful than BOTH of them, is going to fail? [/B]

Man you really don't know anything about Spider-man. His speed 15 faster than average human doesn't mean he rans faster. Imagine boxer moving his torso to dodge u punch. Spider-man could move his torso 15 times faster than that.

Yes he gets hit by much slower characters, so Flah does either. It's because otherwise comix simply won't be interesting.

Doc should take this 9 times out of 10. He will rip Batman limb from limb.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Bad writer : Batman dodges his tentacles and throws a Batarang, knocking out Dock Ock.

Typical writer : draw.

Good writer : Batman dodges the first tentacle of Dock Ock only to be torn apart by the three other tentacles.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
For whoever said that Spidey was 15x faster than Batman, they need to reassess their beliefs. Spiderman got tagged by a lob-sided pumpkin thrown at him. Or how 'bout the time Punisher shot his webs off. How about when Kingpin tagged Spiderman with a box crate. [B]A normal human runs at 25 miles per hour. If Spidey was indeed 15x as fast, he'd be freakin running at 375 miles per hour , literally so fast that he'd think about running, speed up, and ram his head through a hundred different buildings. This is obviously not the case, and as well as you know, Batman is above human peak. You can't say that Spidey is unreasonably faster than Batman, and that Batman stands no chance against Doctor Octavious.

You have to put into account that Batman is a much more consistent tactician and strategist than Spiderman (regardless of who is smarter than who), is strong enough to rip air ducts off of buildings, and fast enough to dodge multiple projectiles at a time. If Batman used that adhesive stuff he used on Superman and used his cutting laser to rip the adamantium out of Dr.Ock's skin, it would not be PIS. Batman CAN and WILL defeat Doctor Octavious. Punisher and Spiderman- two superheroes- put the world of hurt on Ock, yet you can't even believe Batman, and man obviously more resourceful than BOTH of them, is going to fail? [/B]

By the way, the average human runs around 17mph. If someone ran 25mph, they'd be an Olympic-level runner. 😄

Batman would lose the fight, but not the war. Batman is way to smart to stand toe to toe with doc oc with out a plan. He would tag doc oc and disappear to track him to his hide out. By offical rules of this forum he would loose.. but he would then come up with a plan to take out doc oc.

Doc wins 9/10

wow, your response is so creative and imaginative

Originally posted by endgame
wow, your response is so creative and imaginative

"It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf." Walter Lippman

Originally posted by TheKahn
"It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf." Walter Lippman

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Originally posted by Black Adam
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Like I said, does he carry Batmobile around in his pockets. No, he doesn't. So he doesn't have it.

That would actually be pretty cool.

As for no prep. It means no specialized gadgets.

Just like Spidey doesn't get his insulated suit unless otherwise stated, Batman doesn't get anything besides his basic gear.

BATMOBILE IS NOT BASIC GEAR. THE BATMOBILE IS HIS CAR.

As for Spidey getting hit by Batman: Someone whip out the screeny of Spideys bio that states he can avoid prolonged bursts of machine gun fire at close range(about 10-20 feet).

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Jesus, are you still clinging to this? Batman doesn't evade bullets more consistently than Spider-man dodging them. No matter how much you want to disregard what Marvel officially tells of their characters, you can't change facts.

Peak human is just that, peak human. Spider-man sure as hell ain't peak human.

Againt, those traits are best used with prep. No prep means those good things about bats means very little. Your scenario with Doc Ock is already so unrealistic considering it almost makes it seem he would just stand there and do nothing. He's not superman you know and he sure as hell won't reason with himself before he kills bruce.

And for the love of God, read Spider-man before making the assumption that he would get caught by what Batman dishes out.

Almost everything he tries is nullified by Spider-man's pre-cog, reflexes, agility and skill not to mention the mobility that web-swinging affords him.

"Your scenario with Doc Ock is already so unrealistic considering it almost makes it seem he would just stand there and do nothing."

It's not unrealistic if you're holding down Ock with an adhesive that managed to hold Superman for a short period of time.

"Batman doesn't evade bullets more consistently than Spider-man dodging them."

Is a lobsided pumpkin faster than a bullet? I'm not trying to say he's faster than Spidey. But Batman is fast enough to dodge Doctor Ock. Doctor Ock isn't faster than Spidey.

"And for the love of God, read Spider-man before making the assumption that he would get caught by what Batman dishes out."

By "he," you're talking about Doctor Ock right?

Originally posted by samishe
Man you really don't know anything about Spider-man. His speed 15 faster than average human doesn't mean he rans faster. Imagine boxer moving his torso to dodge u punch. Spider-man could move his torso 15 times faster than that.

Yes he gets hit by much slower characters, so Flah does either. It's because otherwise comix simply won't be interesting.

So whoever mentioned that Spidey was 15x faster than a human meant "torso moving?"

No, when somebody says "15x faster," he means 15x faster in every physical aspect involving speed, not just "dodging with the torso."

Also, at the end you say "Yes, he gets hit by much slower characters (referring to Spiderman)." Now, how come this doesn't apply to Dr.Ock? He can't get hit by slower characters? He can't get outsmarted by physically slower characters?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
"Your scenario with Doc Ock is already so unrealistic considering it almost makes it seem he would just stand there and do nothing."

[B]It's not unrealistic if you're holding down Ock with an adhesive that managed to hold Superman for a short period of time.

"Batman doesn't evade bullets more consistently than Spider-man dodging them."

Is a lobsided pumpkin faster than a bullet? I'm not trying to say he's faster than Spidey. But Batman is fast enough to dodge Doctor Ock. Doctor Ock isn't faster than Spidey.

"And for the love of God, read Spider-man before making the assumption that he would get caught by what Batman dishes out."

By "he," you're talking about Doctor Ock right?

So whoever mentioned that Spidey was 15x faster than a human meant "torso moving?"

No, when somebody says "15x faster," he means 15x faster in every physical aspect involving speed, not just "dodging with the torso."

Also, at the end you say "Yes, he gets hit by much slower characters (referring to Spiderman)." Now, how come this doesn't apply to Dr.Ock? He can't get hit by slower characters? He can't get outsmarted by physically slower characters? [/B]

Argueing with marvel writers is the last thing u should do. If they say 15 it MEANS 15! It means that he could dodge 15times faster than humans, it means that he could jump of the way of attack 15 times faster.
Your assumptions make no scence. It's never been said Spider-man runs 15 faster.
About Ock gets hit by much slower characters. Fistly he wont allow batman get close enough. Second, we are not discussing what would happen in comix. In comix ofcourse Batman could hit Spiderman because otherwise Bats fans would be upset. We are discussing how this fight would happen in well written story, not in the way fans would like this fight to be. In well written story Spider-man could kill Batman by slapping him in the face. Ock tears him apart easilly. His tantacles move TOO faster for Batman to dodge them.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
It's not unrealistic if you're holding down Ock with an adhesive that managed to hold Superman for a short period of time

It's unrealistic and improbable. Like i said, it's not like Doc Ock whose arms are fast enough to catch spider-man would just stand there and do nothing. And the adhesives are far from reliable considering the speed difference with their attacks.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Is a lobsided pumpkin faster than a bullet? I'm not trying to say he's faster than Spidey. But Batman is fast enough to dodge Doctor Ock. Doctor Ock isn't faster than Spidey.

A lobsided punkin that happens to explode and thrown by a guy who has comparable stats to him. That's not even mentioning just how many times Spider-man has been hit with it. It's not the movies you know, Spider-man very rarely get's hit with them. And no, their not faster than bullets.

Batman is fast enough to dodge Doc Ock, but he can only do that against one or two tentacles. All 4 working in conjunction can and will overwhelm him eventually.

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Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
By "he," you're talking about Doctor Ock right?

Great!!

It was aimed at this argument and talking about the spider-man

You have to put into account that Batman is a much more consistent tactician and strategist than Spiderman (regardless of who is smarter than who), is strong enough to rip air ducts off of buildings, and fast enough to dodge multiple projectiles at a time.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
So whoever mentioned that Spidey was 15x faster than a human meant "torso moving?"

His travelling speed. Torso moving has to do with both that and his own reflexive speed.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Also, at the end you say "Yes, he gets hit by much slower characters (referring to Spiderman)." Now, how come this doesn't apply to Dr.Ock? He can't get hit by slower characters? He can't get outsmarted by physically slower characters?

Cause most of the times it happened to spider-man, it's blatant PIS for a guy with his speed. And why doesn't this apply to Dr. Ock, who says it doesn't. It applies to both of them, it's just too improbably. Spider-man has speed and Doc Ock's tentacles could get rid of any attempts with his tentacles from a distance. But yeah, i've never seen him get outsmarted by physically slower characters if that's what you mean.