street fighter vs mortal kombat

Originally posted by jinzin
these characters quake outworld, and earth, have enough energy or destructive power to blow up planets just by fighting on them, wipe out entire realms have the energies of millions of souls.. and yet they don't do anything impressive? my ass... sorry the mk guys don't do anything quite as impressive as et beat up by boxers and street punks...

and you talk as if the sorcerors in question aren't all that powerful.. quan chi is the most powerful sorceror in outworld... shang tsung has enough power to conend with rayden... and that was when he was in his old body....

THEN when what you're reffering to about kahn did happen.. stung was amped up after absorbing nearly limitless strength from the soul tombs of outworld.. while quan chi was also amped up by shinnok's medalion both were at godlike levels when they beat "kahn"

who wasn't even kahn.. that was a clone of kahn that was created to pose as the real thing, while the real thing was getting his strength back from his fight in MK III.

when has akuma ever shook the earth by stomping the ground?

and finally... how strong exactly do you think lui kang is? 🤨
when he beat stung it was vs. old stung and it was because he was the fastest warrior in the tournement... but he's not exactly a weakling... 😕

Lesse Gill is immortal and has crashed meteors and split oceans. Like akuma... Characters relative to the SF, Geese and Terry have shown to be much stronger as well...

A "god" is a very broad term, which just simply suggest supernatural prowress and being looked up to, god doesnt mean "unstoppable".

To top it off, you use them at the top of the charts, and try to use SF characters at the bottom. Talk about biased.

Akuma And Gill alone, pwn about 90% of the characters....

Raiden is weaker when he fights on earth... the characters aren't "weak" but they just aren't as impressive as top tier sf characters.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
See here you go with these "titles" again, just like last time... what do they do?

Lesse Gill is immortal and has crashed meteors and split oceans. Like akuma... Characters relative to the SF, Geese and Terry have shown to be much stronger as well...

A "god" is a very broad term, which just simply suggest supernatural prowress and being looked up to, god doesnt mean "unstoppable".

To top it off, you use them at the top of the charts, and try to use SF characters at the bottom. Talk about biased.

Akuma And Gill alone, pwn about 90% of the characters....

Raiden is weaker when he fights on earth... the characters aren't "weak" but they just aren't as impressive as top tier sf characters.

everytime you post about anything where you don't know what the hell you're talking about it's clearly evident to anyone who knows what's really going on...

My bias only reflects to yours..... you said they've (mk characters) never done anything impressive.. obviously.. that's simply untrue... it's a false statement with nothing to back it up BUT bias.... furthermore you keep building up these street fighter characters to levels that are farrrrrr more impressive then they've really shown to be... can chung li blow up a city block? yeah on a good day.... but... has she had trouble with a few street thugs... yeah.. she has.

akuma can't even use half of his best techniques on half of the MK characters.... what's he going to do send scorpion's soul to hell? pfffft... okay yeah good strategy if he wants to make scorpion stronger... 😕
or take smoke's soul? or sectors? or noobs? what soul?

he's not very battle effective against these guys especially the sorcerors who would own him.. easily at that.

And rayden being weaker when fighting on earth? where the hell are you getting this misled info? 🤨

if rayden fights on earth... really fights... the earth would be destroyed... that's why he doesn't fight on earth.. the only time he has he was fighting AS A MORTAL... and STILL shook the planet to it's core... literally.

the only other times he's taken a direct role in the fighting have all been when in outworld.. and in outworld he's much like spawn... as his power steadily and dramatically decreases over a short amount of time (which is why he stressed finding the deadly alliance so quickly while in outworld).

not as impressive as the SF characters? 😕

hardly... when I see sf characters blow up planets or quake planets the size of jupiter then I'll be impressed.

This gotta be a tei. They all got fighting techniques but look, thwe fighters in MK are way bigger but the Street fighters are powerful and so are the other Mk fighteers. They got the same stances laos. This is a tie!

With all respect, as a long time foe:

No you're the one who's biased here I'm afriad, we've been through this multiple times on multiple threads... You choose I single feat, one, and then you amp them up based on titles, and names... I never said they weren't impressive, I'm saying that you are overrating them, along with the fanboys who are crazy about "gods" and "fatalities"... whatever.

All you've said is "jldjfaofi lol sub zero", what is convincing me they will win, besides the facts that they are "gods" and "sorcerors"?

A god:

A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

Originally posted by jinzin
everytime you post about anything where you don't know what the hell you're talking about it's clearly evident to anyone who knows what's really going on...

Not ONLY did I play Mortal Kombat BEFORE streetfighter, I own all the games, watch the movies, AND have the codes, the books, the secrets ALL unlocked. MK1,2,3,Ultimate,Trilogy,4,DA, and D...

I have Alpha 3, Capcom vs SNK 2, and Street Fighter Anniversary.

Originally posted by jinzin
My bias only reflects to yours

No, you're definately more biased, I've said nothing about the SF characters being unbeatable or anything... you go right in about Scorpion can ONLY lose to Sub Zero (being killed isn't the only way to lose by forum rules btw), and shit like that.

I remember you had the audacity to claim that Scorpion's projectile superiorty was greater than that of Akuma's.

Even if I was to switch bits on games, the streetfighter characters would have more complex moves and switches anyway so I don't see the point of going down THAT route, but alas.

Originally posted by jinzin
..... you said they've (mk characters) never done anything impressive.. obviously.. that's simply untrue... it's a false statement with nothing to back it up BUT bias....

Stop twisting what I say to suit you, I feel you are simply exaggerating most of the characters powers.

Impressive is what is in relevacy to something else. I can't simply say that something isn't impressive, without relating it to something else, or else it would be too ambiguous to rebute.

rele·vant·ly adv.

Synonyms: relevant, pertinent, germane, material, apposite, apropos
These adjectives describe what relates to and has a direct bearing on the matter at hand. Something relevant is connected with a subject or issue: performed experiments relevant to her research. Pertinent suggests a logical, precise relevance: assigned pertinent articles for the class to read. Germane implies close kinship and appropriateness: “He asks questions that are germane and central to the issue” (Marlin Fitzwater). Something material is not only relevant but also crucial to a matter: reiterated the material facts of the lawsuit. Apposite implies a striking appropriateness and pertinence: used apposite verbal images in the paper. Something apropos is both to the point and opportune: an apropos comment that concisely answered my question.

I simply believe that the majority of the MK cast are pushovers, and why. Guys like Goro, Motoro, Kintaro, Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kano, Jax, Kung, Kitana, etc... are simply better off not mentioned.

So that leaves the top tiers: sub zero, scorpion, etc. Which you are harping upon and blowing them up to ridiculous levels, by not only using something they do, but using as you said a plot device to support ALL of your arguments, which again is nothing new.

Originally posted by jinzin
furthermore you keep building up these street fighter characters to levels that are farrrrrr more impressive then they've really shown to be...

Originally posted by jinzin
can chung li blow up a city block? yeah on a good day.... but... has she had trouble with a few street thugs... yeah.. she has.

How is your rhetoric good, only when YOU choose to apply it?

How come I can't go back to MK 3 and see the guys do something not at all that impressive? Why do you want SF to fight weak why MK fights strong? Do you need them to win that bad?

Furthermore I was strictly speaking top tier characters who show immortality, and do things like this EFFORTLESSLY, and furthermore, their true powerlevels are hardly shown, because unlike MK, they just fight... not for the sake of the world more often than not, but just for the sake of improving... (foes aside).

Originally posted by jinzin
akuma can't even use half of his best techniques on half of the MK characters

Liu Kang
Raiden
Johnny Cage
Sub Zero
Sonya
Jax
Reiko
Kitana
Jade
Mileena
Baraka
Kahn
Shang
Quan
Sheeva
Motaro
Goro
Kintaro
Stryker
Marek
Frost
Smoke
Cyrax
Sector
Kabal
Havok, etc. etc. etc. You have nothing here but claims jinzin, claims, claims, claims, and they aren't impartial either. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
.... what's he going to do send scorpion's soul to hell? pfffft... okay yeah good strategy if he wants to make scorpion stronger... 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
or take smoke's soul? or sectors? or noobs? what soul?

Soul, Mind, and Body... All these characters can be defeated, S.Akuma breaks comets, splits islands, ryu destroys mountains, Gill and Oro are top tier... like Akuma, and they haven't even shown their max...

Originally posted by jinzin
he's not very battle effective against these guys especially the sorcerors who would own him.. easily at that.

Originally posted by jinzin
And rayden being weaker when fighting on earth? where the hell are you getting this misled info? 🤨

Originally posted by jinzin
if rayden fights on earth... really fights... the earth would be destroyed... that's why he doesn't fight on earth.. the only time he has he was fighting AS A MORTAL... and STILL shook the planet to it's core... literally.

Originally posted by jinzin
the only other times he's taken a direct role in the fighting have all been when in outworld.. and in outworld he's much like spawn... as his power steadily and dramatically decreases over a short amount of time (which is why he stressed finding the deadly alliance so quickly while in outworld).

True

Originally posted by jinzin
not as impressive as the SF characters? 😕

No need to be conufused, its ok...

Originally posted by jinzin
hardly... when I see sf characters blow up planets or quake planets the size of jupiter then I'll be impressed.

And remember kids, to wrap it up... 😉

nice said c-master (y)

🙂 absolute true!!!

Yea yea, but still, its gonna be a tough one. Why cant someone make a cartoon out of this, make a series

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No you're the one who's biased here I'm afriad, we've been through this multiple times on multiple threads... You choose I single feat, one,

actually that "single feat" has happened in 2 different medias and 3 different incarnations of street fighter... the only reason I keep saying that is because you keep making unjust claims to MK characters... you ignore HOW events took place in the MK verse so I choose to throw that in your face for a reality check.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and then you amp them up based on titles, and names...,

how am I amping them up? where in this thread have I stated anything that's remotely similar to "he's a god, he wins".... I'm giving you feat after feat after feat, it's you who chooses to ignore them... 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I never said they weren't impressive, I'm saying that you are overrating them, along with the fanboys who are crazy about "gods" and "fatalities"... whatever.

there you go again back tracking.... yeah... you DID... here....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I haven't seen anything to warrant MK that impressive, all they have are "titles

and implied so again here... doh liar....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
the thing is, alot of these characters do nothing spectacular at all...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
All you've said is "jldjfaofi lol sub zero", what is convincing me they will win, besides the facts that they are "gods" and "sorcerors"?

nadda if that's all you're understanding from my posts.. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh this is great, are you saying I don't know games? I LIVE and BREATHE games, this statement alone is one copout of many I've come across, the ones that say I don't know what I'm talking about are the ones who are perceived as less knowledgeable by the majority.

it's not a copout... (stop using sranks arguments against you btw...) it's an observation... notice how my argument continued after my accusation? I don't think you do... yeah... not a copout. 🙄

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not ONLY did I play Mortal Kombat BEFORE streetfighter, I own all the games, watch the movies, AND have the codes, the books, the secrets ALL unlocked. MK1,2,3,Ultimate,Trilogy,4,DA, and D...

I have Alpha 3, Capcom vs SNK 2, and Street Fighter Anniversary.

then you're either lying about this... or making claims about the MK characters that are disingenuine knowing full well that they are false and yet making them anyways... one way or the other you're lying about something here.. which is it?

or is it that you don't comprehend the MK storylines? (i'm not trying to be insulting by the way.. I'm genuinely asking)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, you're definately more biased, I've said nothing about the SF characters being unbeatable or anything... you go right in about Scorpion can ONLY lose to Sub Zero (being killed isn't the only way to lose by forum rules btw), and shit like that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I remember you had the audacity to claim that Scorpion's projectile superiorty was greater than that of Akuma's.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Even if I was to switch bits on games, the streetfighter characters would have more complex moves and switches anyway so I don't see the point of going down THAT route, but alas.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Stop twisting what I say to suit you, I feel you are simply exaggerating most of the characters powers.

with feats? 🤨 and I'm not twisting anything.. you said it.. stop backtracking when you've put your own foot in your mouth...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Impressive is what is in relevacy to something else. I can't simply say that something isn't impressive, without relating it to something else, or else it would be too ambiguous to rebute.

to which I ask again.. where are their feats that are comparible to destroying planets and shaking other dozens of times the size of earth?

ayers rock <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<earth....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I simply believe that the majority of the MK cast are pushovers, and why. Guys like Goro, Motoro, Kintaro, Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kano, Jax, Kung, Kitana, etc... are simply better off not mentioned.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So that leaves the top tiers: sub zero, scorpion, etc. Which you are harping upon and blowing them up to ridiculous levels, by not only using something they do, but using as you said a plot device to support ALL of your arguments, which again is nothing new.

"by not using only something they do"

😂

so I'm not allowed to use feats to support my claims? 🙄

and I'm not amping them up... FEATS produce evidence.. FEATS.. you're arguing against FEATS not bias, not interpretation... just solid hardcore FEATS... and how are my arguments based upon plot devices?
scorpion being undead? shang stung power up by soul tombs? quan chi using shinnoks amulet? is that what you're reffering to?
the bg difference is.. ALL OF THESE GUYS bring those to a fight.. nobody in the SF cast is capible of just whippin out a soulnado from what I understand.. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Where did I do that? Go and point to me where I got these characters, and BEGAN to even really go down the list on what they can do... as a matter of fact I hadn't said too much of anything, because this debate is redone once a month. Killer Instinct characters could take the MK, the top tiers anyways..

you know exactly where you did that... when you used friggin crossovers to support your bias argument..

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How is your rhetoric good, only when YOU choose to apply it?

How come I can't go back to MK 3 and see the guys do something not at all that impressive? Why do you want SF to fight weak why MK fights strong? Do you need them to win that bad?

you CAN go back to MK III if you choose.. but that's where I'm using most of my feats so I wouldn't recommend it..

it's not that I need MK to win that badly.. I just want you to realize why your claims are false ones and why SF characters are not on a higher tier than MK ones... the evidence I give you, you choose to ignore.. so there may not be a point to it...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Furthermore I was strictly speaking top tier characters who show immortality, and do things like this EFFORTLESSLY, and furthermore, their true powerlevels are hardly shown, because unlike MK, they just fight... not for the sake of the world more often than not, but just for the sake of improving... (foes aside).

BISON anybody... 😕 lol...
so now you're argument has desolved into a "they SHOULD be able to do this" without anything solid to back it up?why am I not surprised?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You have nothing here but claims jinzin, claims, claims, claims, and they aren't impartial either. 😬

i know akuma can take out a butload of people.. you say 90%? for the sake of argument we'll just use that number... but akuma can also lay waste to about 98% of the street fighter cast... what about that other 10%? there's no guarantee that he'd get the chance to get to that other 90% you were reffering to.. and he's hit people with those techniques yet they've lived... I have feats feats feats.. you have.. what again?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
ah your favortie rebuttal, unfortunately for you this isn't a "TO THE DEATH!!!!" fight, its to see who can be defeated, and I don't see Scorpion exihibiting anything that puts him on shin akuma's level... seriously.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Soul, Mind, and Body... All these characters can be defeated, S.Akuma breaks comets, splits islands, ryu destroys mountains, Gill and Oro are top tier... like Akuma, and they haven't even shown their max...

and again you retreat to.. they coulda woulda shoulda..... not a strong argument.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And why? Because YOU say so? You mean the Sorcerers who had to double team Liu? Pushovers... they didn't do anything impressive physically... and their energy prowress isn't on akuma's level anyways. (projectiles... etc.) he teleports and sends them to hell..

no but rather because.. one old fighter has given akuma a decent run for his money... these sorcerors on the other hand have the energies of thousands of warriors on the MK level... akuma's not ready for that..

on the other hand.. "why because you say so?" in reference to akumas energy.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Rayden is a character from SNK, but Raiden sacrifices some of his power to fight on earth... you don't even know much about MK do you? 😬

actually it would appear that you don't.. rayden (that's how I spell the name.. sue me... ) sacrifices his godhood to participate in Mortal Kombat on earth.. he gives up most of his power and he STILL shakes the planet just by fighting on it..

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Akuma does that in a stomp, so does eyedol... not to mention Gill who brings meteors from the heavens, and stops time, oh and bison does that too btw...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Why would they do that, their just SF characters...

lmao

No, most of your posts up to this point have been "claims" (sorcerors beat akuma, end of...) and notice carefully how YOU'RE interpretation of these exact same claims are always more partial when you use them... lets see.

Originally posted by jinzin
actually that "single feat" has happened in 2 different medias and 3 different incarnations of street fighter... the only reason I keep saying that is because you keep making unjust claims to MK characters... you ignore HOW events took place in the MK verse so I choose to throw that in your face for a reality check.

What injust claims? I haven't claimed anything, that they aren't spectacular, or impressive, but compared to what? How can it be a certain level when I haven't related it to anything? Don't fool me into thinking you can't comprehend and interpret comprehensive English.

The only reason YOU keep saying it is because its the sole premise to your argument, which btw with your unjust claims to Street Fighter help bring this right where we started, its the same debate your side lost back in June, I don't see the need to rehash.

Originally posted by jinzin
how am I amping them up? where in this thread have I stated anything that's remotely similar to

Originally posted by jinzin
"he's a god, he wins

Originally posted by jinzin
errr MK totally

I mean you have gods capible of destroying planets just by fighting on them (rayden mk I)

cybernetic ninja units capible of self destructing and blowing up the entire world (cybernetic ninjas mk III, ultimate, and trilogy)

half dragon men who dwarf rayden in strength (goro, blood and thunder)
and are durable enough to take everything rayden has before being vaporized (kintaro mk II)

sorcerors who can am their strength to god like levels (quan chi and shang stung deadly alliance)

sorcerors who outclass them by leagues (shao kahn) who have also vaporized rayden with a thought...

fighters who can't be killed and instead just become stronger, (scorepion)

fighters capible of deating entire armies single handedly (sub zero deception)

for some reason... street fighters just don't seem quite as impressive.

A typical jinzin post, why all of this sounds cute, the way you put it on paper makes it sound highly one-sided and illogical. Makes it almost look fanboyish...

You did the same thing in Terry vs Ken (Ryu), "Terry beat a fricking GOD, a god".

So once again I show you the interpretation and meaning of the word god...

A god:

A god:

A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

Originally posted by jinzin
Im giving you feat after feat after feat, it's you who chooses to ignore them... 😕

Where did I ignore a feat? Did I do it because you said so... as usual, go back and point out where I "ignored" these feats. My point is, as usual, you ignore how it happened, or the conditions that applied to them... which in THAT case the feat alone wouldn't be enough. Is that clear...

Originally posted by jinzin
there you go again back tracking.... yeah... you DID... here....

Back tracking according to what? I hadn't really even delved on an argument UNTIL the last post, and what I say holds true: I can't say something is unimpressive if I haven't given it the means to compare it to.

Originally posted by jinzin
and implied so again here... doh liar....

Compared to what?

Originally posted by jinzin
nadda if that's all you're understanding from my posts.. 😕

I understand that they are powerful, but I'm also understanding your very partial judgement to them and ignoring certain plotholes and devices, and amping up your side...

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not a copout... (stop using sranks arguments against you btw...) it's an observation... notice how my argument continued after my accusation? I don't think you do... yeah... not a copout. 🙄

But in your own quote above you have convinced yourself that I wasn't worth convincing, and by putting this post below you, have given yourself a reason to feed upon it.

Lets not play stupid ok. 😉 We've been down this road before...

Originally posted by jinzin
then you're either lying about this... or making claims about the MK characters that are disingenuine knowing full well that they are false and yet making them anyways... one way or the other you're lying about something here.. which is it?

False? Disingeniune? 😆 Compared to who? Because I don't agree with your interpretation its a false claim? Wow... thats a new one.

Where were my false claims, where did I say that something *didn't* happen, I didn't. I simply disagreed with your claims... and now they're false? Come now...

Originally posted by jinzin
or is it that you don't comprehend the MK storylines? (i'm not trying to be insulting by the way.. I'm genuinely asking)

But for the sake of it, lets show what a plot device is...

A plot device is a person or an object introduced to a story to affect or advance the plot. In the hands of a skilled writer, the reader or viewer will not notice that the device is a construction of the author—it will seem to follow naturally from the setting or characters in the story. A poorly-written story, on the other hand, may have such awkward or contrived plot devices that the reader has serious trouble maintaining suspension of disbelief; indeed, the devices may even leave plot holes.

Originally posted by jinzin
this is a group battle the dynamic of the battle changes when it's simply a one on one.. and tere you go again makinag false claims.. I've only ever claimed that sub zero's the only one that can KILL scorpion via bloodright.. but tell me.. what's the use of beating scorpion if he comes back and kills you 10 seconds later? is that really a win in your eyes.. I mean sure ryu may "beat" scorpion but he'll still die.... while scorpion will remain undead.. who's the real loser there? I'm guessing it's not the guy that ends up dead...

Again, why is that you think when one of YOUR side are defeated, that they aren't defeated... you basically just contradicted yourself here...

1. To assert or express the opposite of (a statement).
2. To deny the statement of. See Synonyms at deny.
3. To be contrary to; be inconsistent with..

Try contradicting ME next time... if he's defeated, he's gone... there's no special rule that gives defeated characters chances to come back...

If thats the case well: Gill>Resurrection.

Originally posted by jinzin
and I remember claiming akuma had a more devistating projectile while scorpion had a more deadly one...

Scorpion's projectile isn't better than Ryu's, Bison's, Sagat's... or anything... stop amping him up.

Messatsu Gou Hado>>>>>>>>> Spear...

Originally posted by jinzin
depends on which games... only a few of the characters have really more complex moves.. like gill for instance.. for the most part SF games are great for button mashers... I should know I'm one of em.

Now you're smoking... are you talking about game mechanics??? Street Fighter has some of the BEST fighting mechanics in terms of complexity and depth. Parries, Reversals, Guards, Guard Crush, Ex, Combo to Special, Special to Super, Quick Get Up, Air-Wake Up, Air Throw...

3rd Strike had alot of depth and maturity, and the game had lightning quick reflexes and timing, and was alot more challenging than say... MK games where you hit pre coded (mash combos) and take of 45% life...

Mortal Kombat was built off of blood, and while the game has gotten better, it isn't even DEEMED serious enough for good tourney play.... 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
with feats? 🤨 and I'm not twisting anything.. you said it.. stop backtracking when you've put your own foot in your mouth...

Stop trying to take the higher road and admit to your mistakes.

Originally posted by jinzin
to which I ask again.. where are their feats that are comparible to destroying planets and shaking other dozens of times the size of earth?

ayers rock <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<earth....

REGULAR akuma did that... these guys hardly show their max...

Shin Akuma destroyed a meteor the size of earth... Characters like him are top tear, shaking the world in a simple stomp, considered too powerful for heaven and hell... he IS a god...

Gill Makes meteors come down, splits oceans on a whim, and resurrects.

You keep forgetting the plot, they aren't trying to blow up and consume planets, but simply FIGHT... its what they do...

To answer any question between a few select fighters(click on pictures to watch):

KEN VS RAIDEN!

RYU VS SCORPION!

Let us all forget our quarrels for a moment.

Originally posted by jinzin
goro motaro and kiintaro alllll are class 100 characters... goro's overpowered rayden AND took the full fury of his blasts before going down... same with kintaro..

Raiden Killed himself and two of the "shin akuma owning sorcerors" and didn't do a blast that was that considerable... pfft.

Akuma sunk an island with a simple punch..

These guys don't have the same speed, warping, or nothing... not in gameplay... of course in a simulated match its debateable.

Originally posted by jinzin
though sufficiently weakened rayden had to expell all of his energies to vaporize kintaro... jax friggin onepunched kintaro... NOT pushovers...
on a person for person vs. match MK just has more power going for them...

Raiden expelled his energies to own some sorcerors, and the sorcerors doubled team to beat Liu...

Akuma busts mountains... pushovers.

Originally posted by jinzin
"by not using only something they do"

No... but ignoring how it happened.

Originally posted by jinzin
so I'm not allowed to use feats to support my claims? 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
and I'm not amping them up... FEATS produce evidence.. FEATS.. you're arguing against FEATS not bias

But the plot CONTRADICTS your evidence, if I was to say that ken beat evil ryu, I would have to take into account that Ryu was distracted... see?

Good boy.

Originally posted by jinzin
, not interpretation...

Your interpretation of the information would HAVE to be shown, or else you wouldn't be able to conjure an argument.

Originally posted by jinzin
just solid hardcore FEATS...

With what was listed above.

Originally posted by jinzin
and how are my arguments based upon plot devices?
scorpion being undead? shang stung power up by soul tombs? quan chi using shinnoks amulet? is that what you're reffering to?
the bg difference is..

Originally posted by jinzin
ALL OF THESE GUYS bring those to a fight.. nobody in the SF cast is capible of just whippin out a soulnado from what I understand..

Or a shungokusatsu?

Misogi?

Kongou No Kouretsan?

All of them are unique, MK deals alot more with death and destruction, so it will have moves pertaining to that, so what?

Originally posted by jinzin
blah blah blah...

Originally posted by jinzin
you know exactly where you did that... when you used friggin crossovers to support your bias argument..

Killer Instinct has crossovers you don't know anything about killer instinct.

CROSSOVERS... its ALL you use all the time, Spiderman vs Wolverine anyone?

Bias, well...

Originally posted by jinzin
you CAN go back to MK III if you choose.. but that's where I'm using most of my feats so I wouldn't recommend it..

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not that I need MK to win that badly.. I just want you to realize why your claims are false ones

What have I claimed, in that previous post, that was fact and not an opinion of relevancy?

Originally posted by jinzin
and why SF characters are not on a higher tier than MK ones... the evidence I give you, you choose to ignore.. so there may not be a point to it...

You IGNORE plot devices, and when I disagree with your claims, it equates to me making a false one?

How arrogant.

Originally posted by jinzin
not for the sake of the world?...

Here you go ignoring what I put down to help your argument.

Originally posted by jinzin
BISON anybody... lol...

(foes aside), oh but wait, you left that out... how convienent.

Originally posted by jinzin
so now you're argument has desolved into a "they SHOULD be able to do this" without anything solid to back it up?why am I not surprised?

Same ol'

Originally posted by jinzin
i know akuma can take out a butload of people.. you say 90%? for the sake of argument we'll just use that number... but akuma can also lay waste to about 98% of the street fighter cast... what about that other 10%?

Bad math, I have no clu what you are getting at, please rephrase...

Originally posted by jinzin
there's no guarantee that he'd get the chance to get to that other 90% you were reffering to.. and he's hit people with those techniques yet they've lived...

*Shin Akuma* has the ability to destroy most of these people utterly, and simultaneously.

Furthermore Gill is the only one who has truly survived a raging demon with no ill affects, Gen lived but was destroyed... and it wasn't a full one.

Misogi hasn't been used on an opponent to my knowledge.

Originally posted by jinzin
I have feats feats feats.. you have.. what again?

Logic and feats that don't run off of plot devices that I'm willing to see BOTH sides of. You have plot devices and bias.

Like below... Lets see.

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not if you don't want it to be? well sorry but considering the fact that MK characters like to kill opponents.. well...

Which makes it worse for them... imagine SF characters powers unleashed. 😱

Originally posted by jinzin
first off.. how is shin cannon storyline?

First off, how much is Shin really Shin?

Originally posted by jinzin
second off scorpion puts quan chi on the run.. quan WITH his shinnok amulet...

An example of you skipping the plot device because it turns you on...

*Ignores that Chi got weaker and Scorpion was stronger and stronger, and need Moloch and Drahmin to assist him (Quan Chi).

I'm not horny anymore, and I have YOU to blame... for shame...

Originally posted by jinzin
scorpion would be a match for the dragon king if they fought...

Subjective, we'll get into this further...

Originally posted by jinzin
that puts him on akuma's level...

HAH!!! When akuma is testing him out and hasn't decided to put out "orochi" or submit to his true power...

Originally posted by jinzin
and if there was ever doubt.. he could and would transport them both to the netherrealm.. then akuma loses flat out....

You've already got owned here and changed your statement when I first came remember?

Either way Akuma transports out... and pwns him.

Originally posted by jinzin
island... comet... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< planet.... doh

Regular Akuma, Regular Akuma... shakes the planet. Hardly tries...

Shin Akuma is so much more.... why would Akuma try to destroy the planet? Its not in his character? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
and again you retreat to.. they coulda woulda shoulda..... not a strong argument.

Lets not go there... I'm horny...

Originally posted by jinzin
no but rather because.. one old fighter has given akuma a decent run for his money...

Originally posted by jinzin
these sorcerors on the other hand have the energies of thousands of warriors on the MK level... akuma's not ready for that..

But Liu Kang was... 🙄 they WERE on the "MK" level after all... 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
on the other hand.. "why because you say so?" in reference to akumas energy.

What... go to sleep, you need rest.

Originally posted by jinzin
actually it would appear that you don't.. rayden (that's how I spell the name.. sue me... ) sacrifices his godhood to participate in Mortal Kombat on earth.. he gives up most of his power and he STILL shakes the planet just by fighting on it..

On a funny note, you scolded me earlier for saying that RAIDEN sacrificed his power... for shame.

But couldn't blow up the Baraka's nearby... but Liu Kang owned the sorcerors... blah blah blah... Akuma shakes the planet with a stomp...

Originally posted by jinzin
in gameplay gill might.. and does it kill the opponent? rarely...
in storyline? when hasakuma done such?

Not the purpose of the games, stop mixing game mechanics....

Originally posted by jinzin
exactly...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
lmao

Originally posted by DarkC
To answer any question between a few select fighters(click on pictures to watch):

KEN VS RAIDEN!

RYU VS SCORPION!

Let us all forget our quarrels for a moment.

Well, glad to have cheered your day up. 😊

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

More homoeroticism... great...

I bet you were saving that one for a while. 🙄

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I bet you were saving that one for a while. 🙄

Night. 🙂

man wtf is this shit mann

ey jinzin :

take a chill pill man, dude you and youre terms

listen!!!!!! no fightinggame or anime can beat SF only Dragon Ball Z and KOF is copared to that

watch the animes, i like MK but really man you overreact to mutch

take a chill pill and Tha C-Master again ; NICE SAID MAN 🙂

And you are attacking me because 🙄 oh yeah for trolling.

Only Ryu,Bison,Ken,Akuma and a little of the others are really a threat.

I like Streetfighter Ryu,Ken,Chunli,Cammy, Vega and in Mk I like Scorpion,Subzero,Smoke(and the other robots), Reptile, and some others in character wise.

Mk Bad guys are much better than Streetfighter (Scorpion,Subzero,Reptile,Baraka,Shang,Shoa,Goro and more and I like the streetfighter good guys better

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Only Ryu,Bison,Ken,Akuma and a little of the others are really a threat.

Oro, Gill, Guy, Urien, Dahsilm, Alex, Twelve, Sagat and Necro (I'm missing some, but oh well) are huge threats too.