Originally posted by TwisterGameXAmg the kamidogu are ancient artifacts, not a person 😑
Shao Kahn,Raiden, Quan Chi,Kamidogu, Elder Gods,Smoke,Scorpion,Subzero,Reptile,Lui kang, ShangI will add more in time
I think it would be gd to pick a number of fighters from each side and go with it that and if they are not limited in anyway then my team would be (4 characters):
Raiden - Ok a simplistic view on his powers are, he has the ability to teleport, control lightning on a "god" like scale and fly. He annihilated Onaga's army. He also destroyed earth in MK1 (A greater feat than any SF char period).
Quan-Chi: Ok, very powerful sorceror, the most powerful in the Netherealm and it is thought he may be of the un-dead.
Scorpion: Rite now Scorpion is the champion of the elder gods which means they have chosen him to defeat Onaga, which he will. Many demons and yes even Lucifer himself (ex-ruler of Netherworld) are scared of Scorpion. Basic moves, Teleportation, hellfire, the spear and what not.
Shinnok - Shinnok is considered the most evil being in Mortal Kombat. A vengeful and powerful fallen Elder God. Shinnok relies less on brute strength and fear-mongering, but all the more on magical powers, ancient artifacts and an infinate knowledge of military matters. Adding to his deceptive qualities, He is the personifaction of fire witin The Netherealm and also possesses the power to impersonate other beings perfectly, down to their voices. Some people also consider him to be Lucifer and even in the MK movie he is refered to as Lucifer.
Sorry if thats a little confusing but i've been up all night lol. Anyway I doubt any SF team of 4could beat these 4 imo ✅
Originally posted by MageeDepends on which mediums, and again they haven't really done anything mind blowing in their fights to be honest... I still don't see what the big deal is...
If you have ever read the MK comics you would know that most of the SF characters dont stand a chance against the likes of Raiden, Shao Khan, Quan-Chi shang-tsung etc. Even the lesser earthrealm protectors would give the SF cast problems.MK wins, fast tbh.
From what I've seen one or two top tier SF characters give the MK universe trouble... pretty easily, they even LOSE in a non-spectacular fashion.
Originally posted by jinzinJinzin you are sounding more and more like Creshosk throughout this, its quite sad, you aren't even answering anything anymore, just spitting out sad one-liners.
nice dodge c.. 🙄 you're backtracking again... my comprehension of the english language allows me to understand that you claimed they've never done anything impressive... and then again made the same implication. I've already quoted you on it...
Let us try this again shall we, to see if 3rd times the charm...
Alright, for something to have an actual quality or value, it must be compared to something else... in its most basic forms, its a simple rule.
To say someone can lift 200 lbs is impressive, compared to 50 lbs, but is 200 lbs impressive compared to say... 1000 lbs? No...
Just like Sf isn't impressive to DBZ, but it IS impressive to Killer Instinct.
Lets say it out loud shall we...
Comparison:
1.
1. The act of comparing or the process of being compared.
2. A statement or estimate of similarities and differences.
2. The quality of being similar or equivalent; likeness: no comparison between the two books.
3. Grammar. The modification or inflection of an adjective or adverb to denote the positive, comparative, and superlative degrees, as in English, along with the equative degree in certain other languages, such as Irish Gaelic.
Hope you got it that time...
Originally posted by jinzinNo your entire side forfeited and ran off... quite amusing actually. 😆
no side "lost" wtf?
I know you left for a few days to recover from the last rebuttal. 😉
Originally posted by jinzin
no I'm not that's what you'r doing...
Ok Creshosk... 😆 don't bother putting down something that can't be rebutted because the fundamentals of it are too nubious...
"Yes you are!"
"No I'm not!"
"Yes you are!"
"No I'm not!"
Thats called a despute, not an argument, and certainly not a debate.
Originally posted by jinzinNot my point, but thank you however for pointing out the plot devices and constant changes throughout the media. 😉 You've done your old man proud.
and he did.. who was up to that point the most powerful being in the series. the power levels were on a linear scale and terry attained EMMENSE power by the end of it...
My point was that again... to use titles alone is no way to debate, because it LEAVES no room to debate, how can you debate something as Nubious as that? Its like saying, "he's batman, he'll think of something."
Originally posted by jinzin
it doesn't take a genious to figure that one out. and this fight IS highly one sided.. that's the problem with pitting gods against street fighters.
Here you go again with "titles".
The term "god" is VERY broad and ambiguous and when left simply like this, leaves it open to MANY interpretations.
Ryu is supernatural, but not revered of feared, therefore he is not a "god". Akuma IS a god in his own right, further taking the piss out of your own argument.
Originally posted by jinzin
no once again.. that's you and what you're doing.. this is sad..
Originally posted by jinzin
prime examples..
rayden.
scorpion.
You mean how you mentioned them but ignoring devices and furthermore how they would apply to the rules of a KMC fight? 🙂 Oh I forgot, the almighty Jinzin doesn't have to go by rules.
Now try to explain next time, if you need sleep go ahead...
Originally posted by jinzin
then why did you say it?
doh
Would it really matter if I said it if I didn't give it means to compare it to? Follow those trains of thought m'boy.
Originally posted by jinzin
for example?
The whole amulet thing for instance, the misinterpretation and bias amping of the concept of being a "god", and saying that Scorpion has more powerful projectiles than akuma. *sigh*
Originally posted by jinzin
something tells me you're not playing.
I figured you were dead serious when you are talking about Rayden from SNK.
Originally posted by jinzin
when you use non cannon characters in a non-cannon crossover to prove a point about what the real character could do as if it were canon.. or hell what you said about scorpion
or sub zero
or rayden
Like you do with akuma, gill, etc.
Originally posted by jinzin
typical.... this has nothing to do with anything in this debate.
Yes it does, you mentioned plot devices earlier. How can you determine if something is canon or not, if it doesn't have a story, and how can a story not have a plot?
You're looking at the end result only, of COURSE you'd want to ignore it.
Originally posted by jinzin
cause he'll come back and kill whoever "deafeated" him.. it's not that hard of a concept to follow....
Originally posted by jinzin
basically a concession right here.. "my characters can't win unless the rules are in their favor"
I know, you do it all the time... you do it in Wolverine vs anyone, you ignore PIS, plot devices, and the tales of events itself, because oh right. "Anything no matter how stupid or illogical it is, is what makes a character who and what he is."
No I'm sorry, this is a forum where all of that is taken into account, much to your frequent... derision.
Originally posted by jinzin
there's no rules regaurding mass egagements either...
Ok... and? Whether or not the thread starter was specific in this matchup which is done EACH and EVERY month, has little to do with my debating, understand and know the difference.
Originally posted by jinzin
which is fine.. I don't even care about that... but which side has the cabailities to contain a guy like gill and keep him contained... probably the side with the unkillable shadow priests....
Originally posted by jinzin
you know he has more than a spear right? 😕
You know akuma has several variants of his own technique, and I'm hoping you know that they are more powerful.
Originally posted by jinzin
and yes i did on the first account and no i didn't on the second...
Shshsh its ok jinzin I won't put you in time out... yet.
Originally posted by jinzin
sf is for button mashers baby...
Here we go mixing media again... choose one way to get owned, you can't have it both ways... how selfish.
And again, try doing the messatsu gou hadou 2x reverse semicircle and punch. SFA3 PUNISHES button mashers, and don't get me started with GAmes like Capcom vs SNK 2...
You need lightning quick reflexes not present in MK games to triumph, quite simply put, the input time of the raging demon is 1.5 seconds.
Only people who button mash are scrubs. People who can't play on higher speeds, on higher damage, and parry 20 hit combos...
Or lets look at MK... no different strengths for attacks or specials. The energy projectiles and specials come out the same way EACH and every time (no adjustment of strengths to fool your opponent), the game is cheap, and you can do ridiculous damage and get a silly ring out... in most cases you can BLOCK throws, making those pointless.
With preprogrammed combos and other reasons with its lack of depth and maturity, MK was built off of a novelty, and is still not taken seriously in High tier play.
Button mashers... you just like MK.
Originally posted by jinzin
stop trying to take the higher road? 😂 would you rather I just insult you constantly as you do me instead?
Where have I insulted you? Thats what you do when you get desperate.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'd admit a mistake.. why can't you... ?
Here we go again Creshosk, don't waste time with comments like these... which have been 80% of your posts, just admit you were wrong, and don't lose sleep over it...
You defending MK was one BIG mistake, got it.
Originally posted by jinzin
yes he did and still
WEll...
Originally posted by jinzin
earth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ayers rock...
What about the comet? And keep in mind that these charaters do this with minor effort please... and they aren't on a global conquest for the most part.
Originally posted by jinzin
"he IS a god"
you're certainly not bias at all are you?
wait I thought you didn't like these... "titles"
Obviously I was taking some more piss out of your argument, now you're getting desperate.
Originally posted by jinzinYou know nothing of SF... shin akuma will NEVER be an actual character no different than dark ryu, its in the games as different characters, and since all mediums are used, shin akuma is used.
shin akuma isn't a canon character.. his feats were in a non canon crossover.... try using a character who's actually IN the sf storyline...
Or you could just say akuma using effort... stop trying to negate your ownage.
Originally posted by jinzin
and gill gets offed by the likes of bison..... whatever...
Anyone with a lick of sense would know that bison is NOWHERE near as powerful as akuma, oro, or gill and wouldn't have bothered posting such tripe.
Originally posted by jinzinComing from a person trying to get help from people OUTSIDE the cast.
you're forgetting the plot.. you know the one that's completely devoid of shin akuma.... 😉
Depends on which medium, and since you don't know who and what shin akuma is I won't bother...
Originally posted by jinzin
smoke/noob saibot both harder to beat than akuma...
Another one of your VERY subjective claims, where am I supposed to debate something as nubious as this?
I mean what do you want me to say?
Do you know HOW to debate?
Originally posted by jinzin
rayden, scorpion, noob saibot, smoke, shang stung, kung lao all warp and that's just off the top of my head..
Ryu has, akuma, dhalsim, bison, and those are just for starters...
You're saying warping vs teleporting, make sure you are saying what you mean again, I don't want you to leave something open to interpretation, and then try to correct it when you're called on it a way you don't like.
Originally posted by jinzin
finally.. rayden's blast was a concentrated one...
Originally posted by jinzin
we've already seen a MORTAL rayden literally shake the earth to it's core.
So has akuma... yawn
Originally posted by jinzin
actually he did so to beat the dragonking...
A moment of desperation, and the feat wasn't impressive, and no it wasn't "classic".
Originally posted by jinzin
and stop talking about lui like he's some pushover.. a guy who can amp up his chi to trade blows with a class 100 is NO pushover.
All this "amping" and he got his neck broke like a little girl... pushover.
Originally posted by jinzin
AND the doubleteaming occured before they got to the soultombs btw...
Which further shows that liu gave them enough trouble, and Shao ALSO lost to them... so that means Liu would give Kahn good trouble... not looking good... especially since Kahn was attacked right up front, and not from the back.
Originally posted by jinzin
rayden
ermac
shao kahn
smoke
sector
cyrax
shinnokare ALL of them capible of destroying planets.. so much for mountains..
But raiden couldn't destroy a 1 mile radius in a blast... and kill the baraka's neaby... right....
Shao Kahn looked even worse than raiden...
The cyborgs aren't even top tier level.
And WHERE is this displayed consistantly in a head up match... because I sure wonder... I'm sure many of the intelligent SF characters can do the same.
And AGAIN, they have different motives than the sf characters, which is why I HATE this crossover... (forum battle).
I seriously don't see what puts them on par with akuma... or even bison.
Originally posted by jinzin
you again.
Funny how I just corrected alot of your ambiguous claims though.
Originally posted by jinzin
pretty much says it all right here...
Originally posted by jinzin
yet these feats I keep showing have no such evident circumstance... 😕 it's not like a planet can be distracted..
What feat did I correct? Oh right the one when you left out Quan Chi being weaker in the netherrealms while Scorpion grew stronger?
tsktsktsk
Originally posted by jinzin
example..... aguy blows up planet...that's what happened.. what need is there for interpretation... oh wait.. the planet must have been distracted...
You do it all the time... ignoring training sessions, or that one character wasn't trying their hardest, or the fact that Quan was in the netherrealm with and adverse affect to scorpion... who got pwned by Moloch and Drahmin btw...
Then I show a counter feat or two for everyone of yours and you ignore them, because oh wait you didn't like it...
Originally posted by jinzin
if the sf cast dies because of those moves well....
They hadn't been used, but I guess its better than a corny explosion, a broken neck, or simply getten torn apart, or sliced... 😉
Originally posted by jinzin
first off why bring up killer instinct? second why assume I know nothing about killer instinct?
1. Because it was a homage to the classic debate on this subject.
2. Just an observation, I can bump up the thread where you knew nothing about them if you wish...
Originally posted by jinzin
what did you just say about playing dumb? maybe you should take your own advice...
Shshshsh jinzin the nightmare is almost over...
Originally posted by jinzinAnd several of your crossover material wasn't even cannon... I remember you supporting batman beating hulk... silly goose. 😊
you KNOW there's a major difference between an inner company character crossover which results in CANON material taking place.. and a series crossover which ISN'T canon....
Originally posted by jinzin
well at least I certainly hope you do....
I wish you simply knew the rules of the forum, so we could argue on the same medium for once. 🙁
Originally posted by jinzin
yet you claim to know oh so much about mk... 😕
You don't seem to know much about Mk, sf, or KI, or are you just playing with my head? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by jinzin
no.. but when you make a false claim well...
Which was?
Originally posted by jinzin
how fast can you run backwards c? 🙄
You left out what I said, and then tried to counter it and failed miserably... nothing new.
Originally posted by jinzin
again why am I even bothering if that's all you're getting from this?
I'm getting alot from it, but no need for you to make a copout near the end... kind of anticlimatic from a good owning.
Originally posted by jinzin
well you see what you want to see and read what you want to read.. MK wins that's how I "interpret" this going down..
Don't we all, but I don't like your interpretation, it has proven itself to be partial and contradictory.
Originally posted by jinzinWhich can be said about SF right? You like using the plain old "bland" characters that can be beat by "boxers", I seriously wished you weren't so biased, but then again it wouldn't be fun...
sf MAY have some characters who can own a great many of the classic mk characters.. but for the most part MK wins and has shown their power
Its just too bad that SF wins...
Originally posted by jinzin
were with the SF characters we have to once again give them the benefit of the doubt ignoring anything that makes them look bad... figures..
I know kind of like we have to do with MK, ignoring plot devices and showing all the "goodie feats", but leaving out why they infact happened, and leaving out all of the bad parts.
Its over jinzin, you can open your eyes now...
Originally posted by Magee
Amg the kamidogu are ancient artifacts, not a person 😑I think it would be gd to pick a number of fighters from each side and go with it that and if they are not limited in anyway then my team would be (4 characters):
Raiden - Ok a simplistic view on his powers are, he has the ability to teleport, control lightning on a "god" like scale and fly. He annihilated Onaga's army. He also destroyed earth in MK1 (A greater feat than any SF char period).
Quan-Chi: Ok, very powerful sorceror, the most powerful in the Netherealm and it is thought he may be of the un-dead.
Scorpion: Rite now Scorpion is the champion of the elder gods which means they have chosen him to defeat Onaga, which he will. Many demons and yes even Lucifer himself (ex-ruler of Netherworld) are scared of Scorpion. Basic moves, Teleportation, hellfire, the spear and what not.
Shinnok - Shinnok is considered the most evil being in Mortal Kombat. A vengeful and powerful fallen Elder God. Shinnok relies less on brute strength and fear-mongering, but all the more on magical powers, ancient artifacts and an infinate knowledge of military matters. Adding to his deceptive qualities, He is the personifaction of fire witin The Netherealm and also possesses the power to impersonate other beings perfectly, down to their voices. Some people also consider him to be Lucifer and even in the MK movie he is refered to as Lucifer.
Sorry if thats a little confusing but i've been up all night lol. Anyway I doubt any SF team of 4could beat these 4 imo ✅
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