KMC Rules

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No I didn't. You are offering your opinion which is your right as my reasoning which is wrong. How can you say that with certaintiy in the sam post where you admit to not being Psychic.

Let's see what was posted.

Originally posted by Lana
If I spot something outside of my forum, I report it. That way you can be sure that it's taken care of.

Originally posted by Lana
Then report it.

Mods aren't psychic.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Ahh but the inference is the mods don't act unless someone complains at present

at least Lanas post indicates this to be the case.

proactive or reactive?

Where did I say anywhere that things aren't done until they're reported?

Nowhere. However, that's what you said I meant.

Originally posted by Lana
Let's see what was posted.

Where did I say anywhere that things aren't done until they're reported?

Nowhere. However, that's what you said I meant.

Why do I need to report it when several mods have seen it?

FFS Whirly if all you're gonna do in this thread is nit-pick about who this rule is not coherently followed and that mod does not do his job (according to you) You should really find some other way to pass your time. You've not even been here for over a year man. You've got no idea what it's like to be a moderator in this place. Almost every mod (not all of them but some have sections in which maintenance is pretty low) bust their asses when they get on here.

And you know what the main reason they do it is because they want to make the stay of member more pleasant.

The fact that some threads, which you consider to be not PG-13, are still open is probably due to the fact that they were taken from newssites, papers or the news on TV. Now as far as I (and I think tons of ppl in here with me) am concerned the news is PG-13.
I certainly hope my kids will watch the news at 13. the thread about afroamericans in itself is not racist, yes in it some racist remarks could be made. But if that is a reason not to allow a discussion between decent members about a serious topic, IMO it is one of the most interesting topics in the GDF ATM, Then we might as well bring back the "no politics" rule. Which you probably never even heard of.

So in short if you really dislike KMC that much that you can only nag about this stuff and complain about how the mods aren't doing what they should be doing (according to you) Then I suggest you pack your bags and leave.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So if I am understanding this properly Raz, and please correct me if I am misunderstanding what you are stating...... KMC is neither Proactive or Reactive, it is instead subjective. So what one mod feels is appropriate may not be considered appropriate by the others and this is why threads which are blatantly not PG13 are present and continuous throughout the forums.

I accept and understand this Raz, however you are an intelligent guy and you must agree that a thread with a title like "Babysitters Rape 12 - week old baby is likely to have some explicit content beyond PG13 and a thread entitled Are Blacks today taking advantage of the rights people sacrificed to get for them? is likely to have some racist content in my opinion.

This post is worrying as it may highlight a problem that some feel people are no longer believe that moderators respond to their post.

I think the problem you're having Whirly is that you're getting hung up about PG-13 guideline. Once you figure out its just a guideline for us to decide on appropriate material, and not an authoritative rule, it'll all make sense to you 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Why do I need to report it when several mods have seen it?

Originally posted by Fire
FFS Whirly if all you're gonna do in this thread is nit-pick about who this rule is not coherently followed and that mod does not do his job (according to you) You should really find some other way to pass your time. You've not even been here for over a year man. You've got no idea what it's like to be a moderator in this place. Almost every mod (not all of them but some have sections in which maintenance is pretty low) bust their asses when they get on here.

And you know what the main reason they do it is because they want to make the stay of member more pleasant.

The fact that some threads, which you consider to be not PG-13, are still open is probably due to the fact that they were taken from newssites, papers or the news on TV. Now as far as I (and I think tons of ppl in here with me) am concerned the news is PG-13.
I certainly hope my kids will watch the news at 13. the thread about afroamericans in itself is not racist, yes in it some racist remarks could be made. But if that is a reason not to allow a discussion between decent members about a serious topic, IMO it is one of the most interesting topics in the GDF ATM, Then we might as well bring back the "no politics" rule. Which you probably never even heard of.

So in short if you really dislike KMC that much that you can only nag about this stuff and complain about how the mods aren't doing what they should be doing (according to you) Then I suggest you back your bags and leave.

That was beautiful cry

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Why do I need to report it when several mods have seen it?

For starters, in several of the forums (GDF and OTF in particular) only globals can do anything. If I see an inappropriate post in there, I report it, because I cannot do anything myself, as I am a forum mod, not a global.

Bardock also makes a good point.

Originally posted by Fire
FFS Whirly if all you're gonna do in this thread is nit-pick about who this rule is not coherently followed and that mod does not do his job (according to you) You should really find some other way to pass your time. You've not even been here for over a year man. You've got no idea what it's like to be a moderator in this place. Almost every mod (not all of them but some have sections in which maintenance is pretty low) bust their asses when they get on here.

And you know what the main reason they do it is because they want to make the stay of member more pleasant.

The fact that some threads, which you consider to be not PG-13, are still open is probably due to the fact that they were taken from newssites, papers or the news on TV. Now as far as I (and I think tons of ppl in here with me) am concerned the news is PG-13.
I certainly hope my kids will watch the news at 13. the thread about afroamericans in itself is not racist, yes in it some racist remarks could be made. But if that is a reason not to allow a discussion between decent members about a serious topic, IMO it is one of the most interesting topics in the GDF ATM, Then we might as well bring back the "no politics" rule. Which you probably never even heard of.

So in short if you really dislike KMC that much that you can only nag about this stuff and complain about how the mods aren't doing what they should be doing (according to you) Then I suggest you back your bags and leave.

I like KMC where have I said otherwise?
I have said nothing personal about any mod.
I have asked some questions and made no personal remarks beyond inferences from recent posts by others. I am just interested in the dynamic of the PG13 rule here. I am also interested in asking the question, is "Good Practice being modelled". If it is why are some people getting personal. I did not know about the "NO Politics" rule you are right, other forums have it. It never works I can see why Raz did away with it, but he is a bright guy, as are you I have observed that in your posts - please don't make out I am doing anything but asking interesting questions!

Whirly what you imply (altho all of us could be wrong) is not what you are saying. You'd make a fine diplomat but in here it doesn't come across fairly well. I never said you said something personal about any mod, also never said that you made personal remarks. The NO politics rule worked great. I wasn't for it but it worked.

Originally posted by Raz
I'm not sure if you read by last post, as I clearly stated that the PG-13 conformance is not a rule, instead a guide, and ultimately what is allowed and not allowed is decided by the individual moderators. Yes, sometimes there may be a difference in opinions (mods are human remember), but that is straighted out by a quick PM, or a post in the mod forum.Threads like those are handled on an individual case by case basis. We allow discussion on all topics as long as its done in a constructive and appropriate manner. That is what the GDF is for.I too would be worried, if there were any actual references to the post he mentions. There is no way to verify the claim, so there is nothing that can be done until it's provided.

I think the problem you're having Whirly is that you're getting hung up about PG-13 guideline. Once you figure out its just a guideline for us to decide on appropriate material, and not an authoritative rule, it'll all make sense to you 🙂

Raz as this is a forum open to 13 year olds and above may I ask a question is a guideline enought to satisfy legal requirements and things like W3C or the FTC?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Raz as this is a forum open to 13 year olds and above may I ask a question is a guideline enought to satisfy legal requirements and things like W3C or the FTC?

And the Federal Trade Commission don't apply to us either, as they deal with federal antitrust and consumer protection laws.

We do, however, follow the COPPA guidelines, which is the primary reason why you need to be aged 13 or over to register here.

Originally posted by Raz
Do you even know what the W3C is? 🤨 They have no legal authority, instead they are a consortium that manage web standard. Not sure why you mentioned them.

And the Federal Trade Commission don't apply to us either, as they deal with federal antitrust and consumer protection laws.

We do, however, follow the COPPA guidelines, which is the primary reason why you need to be aged 13 or over to register here.

I know W3C is a consortium, managing a web standard I wondered what you used and actually what KMC was as it is obviously an advertising based business, do you own it Raz? I meant FCC is that right? COPPA guidelines how flexible is the interpretation of these for instance if I parent was concerned about content their 13 year old had been browsing etc. I'm interested in some of the cookies also, which are unusual. 😉

The FCC does not regulate the Internet, only broadcast media such as radio and TV.

Originally posted by Raz
The FCC does not regulate the Internet, only broadcast media such as radio and TV.

So it's only the local laws of the country you are in. Is that right?

Now about the spyware, whose is that?

For KMC, Texas and US laws apply, since the server itself is located in Dallas.

Originally posted by Raz
For KMC, Texas and US laws apply, since the server itself is located in Dallas.

Right, how does the boundary issue play a part as surely the server cuts across boundaries. Could a suit be taken from New Zealand say? I thought proceedings could be started anywhere!

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Originally posted by Raz
Do you even know what the W3C is? 🤨 They have no legal authority, instead they are a consortium that manage web standard. Not sure why you mentioned them.

And the Federal Trade Commission don't apply to us either, as they deal with federal antitrust and consumer protection laws.

We do, however, follow the COPPA guidelines, which is the primary reason why you need to be aged 13 or over to register here.

Coppa is based on FTC guidelines isn't it?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Coppa is based on FTC guidelines isn't it?

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
What are you getting at 😖hifty:

Not much - Congress threw Copa out in 2004 as far as laws go in the US. However international laws on sex tourism may apply to web sites I believe and this includes obscene speech and activities that may corrupt minors 😉 I bet Raz is aware of this though as he administers the site and lives in the UK, he is bound by UK law also, as I understand it. I may be wrong though.