Originally posted by Lana
It's a privately owned site. All COPPA says is that info can't be collected by kids under 13.
I know that, which is why the local laws of where the server and administrators are what govern content. I believe as I stated earlier. I thought it was COPA is it COPPA now? I believe sex tourism and grooming laws apply also to this kind of site.
Originally posted by Lana
It's a privately owned site. All COPPA says is that info can't be collected by kids under 13.
I know that, which is why the local laws of where the server and administrators are what govern content. I believe as I stated earlier. I thought it was COPA is it COPPA now? I believe sex tourism and grooming laws apply also to this kind of site. Which brings us to federal district court in Philadelphia on the morning of October 22, 1998. Having been through the motions once before, civil liberties groups were prepared for their challenge to this latest assault on the constitution and free speech. Proclaiming that it is a fundamental First Amendment right that one cannot limit adults to speech suitable for children, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others filed papers seeking an injunction against the newly minted law (by "Copa" to do just that), this was successful I might add however, the UK did bring in legislation in 2002 and I am looking for it. It is linked to indecentcy and grooming. I believe where the site is managed is as culpable as where the server is also. I might be wrong though!
Originally posted by Raz
Whirly, do you have a point to all this nonsense?Please spell it out. What illegal activities do you believe are going on at KMC?
I don't at all I'm just interested in how PG13 is a guide when adults and children are mixing freely! I actually think a lot of the things on here are brilliant and you run it very well, I also believe the moderators do try hard. I am just interested in the legalities and dynamics of the rules/guidelines that run a forum like this. In particular issues like adults right to Freedom of speech and how that fits/conflicts with issues like appropriate material for youngsters, how that fits with boundary issues and international law. As the title of this thread says it's "KMC Rules" I'm interested in. Or are they all just Guidelines? I am also interested in howsomeone like you or even a member like I stands legally. For example we are both near each other in the UK yet we are posting to a server in Texas which in turn is sending to numerous other locations around the world. Surely the location of the poster is as relevant as the location of the server?
Originally posted by Syren
😆Adults and children mix freely in society on a day to day basis, not just on KMC.
No actually they don't, the present debate going on in Britain about schools is an example of how untrue this statement is. "Certain adults" and "certain children" mix freely in "certain situations", how often do you invite the neighbourhood kids round to discuss "Harry Potter and smoking spliffs"? Not much I bet as you are not serving a custodial sentence!
Originally posted by Sir WhirlysplatNo, that rule is in place more for decency resons than for legal reasons.
Thats what I thought, So PG 13 must therefore be more than a guideline as the location of the moderator must be under local laws am I right?
Originally posted by Sir WhirlysplatWhich law would exactly be breaking? As I'm not sure if talking to a youngster about drugs would be strictly illegal.
No actually they don't, the present debate going on in Britain about schools is an example of how untrue this statement is. "Certain adults" and "certain children" mix freely in "certain situations", how often do you invite the neighbourhood kids round to discuss "Harry Potter and smoking spliffs"? Not much I bet as you are not serving a custodial sentence!
Originally posted by Raz
No, that rule is in place more for decency resons than for legal reasons.
OK. I accept that reasoning, it's obviously the right thing to have anyway if this forum is open to youngsters, but in the UK talking about or posting on sexual acts to under 16's is illegal. As is cyber with said age groups. Now hypothetically speaking if a moderator has posted in a thread where this has happened and lives in the UK having done nothing about said thread are they culpable?
Originally posted by Raz
No, that rule is in place more for decency resons than for legal reasons. Which law would exactly be breaking? As I'm not sure if talking to a youngster about drugs would be strictly illegal.
Actually I think you might find it could be as it would be possibly exposing the child to illegal activities. It would of course depend on context. It might well come under child protection. In schools for example PSHE type activities are outlined in a contract of consent that is signed by the parent before the student takes up his or her place at said school. The sexual content question is more cut and dried in the UK if you discussed sexual acts witha child without a parents consent within a school you can be leaving yourself open for a lawsuit. I assume the same applies anywhere again as it might be considered indecent.
Originally posted by Sir WhirlysplatThis has never been allowed here. And is part of our common sense rule.
OK. I accept that reasoning, it's obviously the right thing to have anyway if this forum is open to youngsters, but in the UK talking about or posting on sexual acts to under 16's is illegal. As is cyber with said age groups. Now hypothetically speaking if a moderator has posted in a thread where this has happened and lives in the UK having done nothing about said thread are they culpable?
Originally posted by Syren
Whirly, just what point are you trying to make here and what exactly do you think is going to come of this discussion? You're chasing your own tail and it's becoming increasingly repetetive.
I would disagree, we have established the poster is governed by local laws and the server is governed by its local laws. We have also established we are not free to mix freely with children in real life as you stated, this is why child minders are police checked as are teachers.
I think you are just missing the salient points Syren.
Originally posted by Raz
It would have to depend on the context and situation.
Yes it would and on PG13 being a guideline that's my point. Similar arguments could be raised on hatespeak. Now I understand it is impossible to enforce. But by making it something which is a rule and not a guideline you distance yourself from the activities of the posters who might do this. Just a thought.....
Anyway thats me done in this thread close it or delete it it's up to you.