The difference is that rock and metal are umbrellas that do genuinely have a sound and many different sounds within that sound.
"Indie" is just a different type of rock, if it even truly still exists. I wouldn't class Keane, Embrace or Coldplay as rock. I'd class them as closer to pop than anything. They don't have any elements of rock. With The Futureheads et al, whilst I don't like them, they clearly have elements of rock there, even if they're not totally so.
-AC
Originally posted by Flying High
geez...there always seems to be soo much arguing going on in the music forum...its ridiculous 😐as for the question....i like the strokes new album..and their old....i like the way they have gone...franz ferdinand...i love...been to see them...they're not as bad live as people are making them out to be...then the subways...i like and im gona borrow my friends cd...i've only heard their singles...but the album cant be that bad....
so yeah...
Blame AC for the arguing.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The difference is that rock and metal are umbrellas that do genuinely have a sound and many different sounds within that sound."Indie" is just a different type of rock, if it even truly still exists. I wouldn't class Keane, Embrace or Coldplay as rock. I'd class them as closer to pop than anything. They don't have any elements of rock. With The Futureheads et al, whilst I don't like them, they clearly have elements of rock there, even if they're not totally so.
-AC
true...but they still all get the indie label...and whilst rock and metal do have many different sub genres...many of them do sound similar to one another and/or are just ridiculous labels in the first place
the same happens in most of the main classifications of music...i mean hip hop/ r n b fans...could you please tell me...really...what the **** is crunk?
There aren't massive differences between rock and metal that are apparant unless you are heavily into music, to be honest. It'd be a bit too general to label everything as rock, otherwise I'd do it.
I just stick to rock, metal, hip hop, pop etc when it comes to genres. At a stretch, I use the more establishes sub-genres. That's only in rare cases.
-AC
Official statment given by the AC Mintistry of Bigotry
Second, I don't need labels. Probably because I can explain myself without them (that is the reason).
Labels can be helpful to idiots, yes.
The comes...
There aren't massive differences between rock and metal that are apparant unless you are heavily into music, to be honest. It'd be a bit too general to label everything as rock, otherwise I'd do it.
I just stick to rock, metal, hip hop, pop etc when it comes to genres. At a stretch, I use the more establishes sub-genres. That's only in rare cases.
Originally posted by exanda kane
[b]Official statment given by the AC Mintistry of BigotrySecond, I don't need labels. Probably because I can explain myself without them (that is the reason).
Labels can be helpful to idiots, yes.
The comes...
There aren't massive differences between rock and metal that are apparant unless you are heavily into music, to be honest. It'd be a bit too general to label everything as rock, otherwise I'd do it.
I just stick to rock, metal, hip hop, pop etc when it comes to genres. At a stretch, I use the more establishes sub-genres. That's only in rare cases. [/B]
A) You don't mean bigotry.
B) You mean MINISTRY, not MINTISTRY.
C) What's the point? We were discussing labels in the sense of subgenres and sub-sub genres, labelling for the sake of it and labelling to cater to others who don't understand. Not the use of labels that already exist and are established. EG: Rock, metal, hip hop, pop. Which I use. Then if I ever, in the rare case, happen to be discussing a specific band and end up discussing what specific genre they would be if not a broad one, then I use ESTABLISHED sub-genres eg: Black metal, death metal etc.
I don't quite know what compells you to endlessly reply to my posts in some desperate hope that you'll achieve a goal, but until you stop doing so I shall continually make you look like an utter cretin. Now if you're quite done following me around like a starved puppy, I suggest you clear off.
-AC
I'm so sorry AC! Did I tap a nerve there? of course I will forever be indebted to you for you are taking this in the most hilarious fashion 🙂
I almost feel sorry for you.
A) You don't mean bigotry.
I mean bigotry, do you want a definition kid?
B) You mean MINISTRY, not MINTISTRY.
One should know a typo when he see's one 🙂
C) What's the point? We were discussing labels in the sense of subgenres and sub-sub genres, labelling for the sake of it and labelling to cater to others who don't understand. Not the use of labels that already exist and are established. EG: Rock, metal, hip hop, pop. Which I use. Then if I ever, in the rare case, happen to be discussing a specific band and end up discussing what specific genre they would be if not a broad one, then I use ESTABLISHED sub-genres eg: Black metal, death metal etc.
That's the very point you've contradicted yourself on.
I don't quite know what compells you to endlessly reply to my posts in some desperate hope that you'll achieve a goal, but until you stop doing so I shall continually make you look like an utter cretin. Now if you're quite done following me around like a starved puppy, I suggest you clear off.
Ahhh, entertainment, enertainment mister gremlin sir. The fact that you bore most of the people away from the music forum is testimony indeed to my reasons.
Now, any good bands been mentioned?
I have to say The Editors are being played on my stereo quite a lot these days. Very good album, I recommend it. Blood is one of the highlights.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There aren't massive differences between rock and metal that are apparant unless you are heavily into music, to be honest. It'd be a bit too general to label everything as rock, otherwise I'd do it.I just stick to rock, metal, hip hop, pop etc when it comes to genres. At a stretch, I use the more establishes sub-genres. That's only in rare cases.
-AC
So AC it's funny isn't it "You really got me" by "The Kinks" is arguably the font from which Heavy Metal flowed 😉 Yet most people give them more credit for influencing New Wave and Britpop. So why not label everything as Rock.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So AC it's funny isn't it "You really got me" by "The Kinks" is arguably the font from which Heavy Metal flowed 😉 Yet most people give them more credit for influencing New Wave and Britpop. So why not label everything as Rock.
Well, not everything with a guitar in it is rock. The only problem with being THAT generalising is that there would, again, be wrong labelling. There ARE differences between rock and metal though. Not massively so, but they are there if you are into music enough to notice. Which I am. They are noticeable. Britpop is another kind of pop. So if anything it'd go under pop.
So I just uses the standard genres. I've said all this. It's the shitty subs and sub-subs that annoy me. Genres do exist, but there's no need for many of them.
-AC