Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, you and Scooter. There was me hoping to get sleep tonight.Because heavy metal has distinguishable features, this is a fact. It has nothing to do with what you believe. I said to you that it's not uncommon for the two genres to share elements, but they are different genres. The differences aren't major, but they are specific enough to BE a different genre. It's not just harder rock, it's technically different. You not having the perceptive ability to register this isn't something I will continue to help you with.
You've gave me bands that you continually claim are heavy metal such as Thin Lizzy and Status Quo. Bands that are quite clearly rock bands. You're out of your depth and it's your denial that isn't saving you.
You continue to add bits onto the end of your posts and then call me childish. Sad and hypocritical. Either way, I have knowledge backing me up. You have the "I'm older, so I know more but don't have to show it." We'll see who gets further.
-AC
I like the edit function it's not sad. Both Thin Lizzy and Quo are clearly rock bands, both though have clearly been labelled Heavy Metal at some point in there careers by the media and the general public. proving my point about labels.
We'll see who gets further ask me what I do for a living sometime on PM, I do what I always wanted to... I wonder if you will be able to say that. I hope you can.
Impasse reached I don't think you understand, you wich to make long posts for pride.
Bored now.
Goodnight.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I like the edit function it's not sad. Both Thin Lizzy and Quo are clearly rock bands, both though have clearly been labelled Heavy Metal at some point in there careers by the media and the general public. proving my point about labels.
Oh my, actually have zero sense. Deny what I'm saying then after me trying to get the point across to you, agree with me. Yes, people who know nothing shouldn't label, but accurate and established labels exist. Hence you calling them rock bands. You make me laugh, not in a good way.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
We'll see who gets further ask me what I do for a living sometime on PM, I do what I always wanted to... I wonder if you will be able to say that. I hope you can.
Doesn't matter what you do. You don't know that much, sorry. No point replying with "I do, because I do this." You've proven that you not only have nothing strong to say, but that when faced with many counters, you run a mile.
Bye.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Whirly- type Robbie Williams heavy metal into Google.847,000 hits.
😂 His never been on the cover of the Kerrang
http://www.denis.co.uk/acatalog/metal.html here's one guy labelling Quo as heavy metal 🙂 No one labels Robbie as that on those sites VVD.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
😂 His never been on the cover of the Kerranghttp://www.denis.co.uk/acatalog/metal.html here's one guy labelling Quo as heavy metal 🙂 No one labels Robbie as that on those sites VVD.
True, but not all of them are doing so for Quo, which was the point I was making.
Anyway, do continue.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh my, actually have zero sense. Deny what I'm saying then after me trying to get the point across to you, agree with me. Yes, people who know nothing shouldn't label, but accurate and established labels exist. Hence you calling them rock bands. You make me laugh, not in a good way.Doesn't matter what you do. You don't know that much, sorry. No point replying with "I do, because I do this." You've proven that you not only have nothing strong to say, but that when faced with many counters, you run a mile.
Bye.
-AC
AC the only arguments of mine you've countered are in your mind - I haven't run you just haven't provided any arguments beyond a circular debate.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
AC the only arguments of mine you've countered are in your mind - I haven't run you just haven't provided any arguments beyond a circular debate.
You've chose to ignore them, it's all there. Anyway, a request for you:
Search "Status Quo rock" in Google.
The first link is Status Quo's actual home page. Opening line?:
"Status Quo: the number one rock 'n' roll band in the world."
'Nuff said. Another one of those links is, ironically enough, Wikipedia. Citing them as a UK rock band. It also returned 3,500,000 hits.
I don't go by this, but playing by your own rules I still smack your arguments. Idiots shouldn't label, but established accurate genres do exist. Be off with thee.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've chose to ignore them, it's all there. Anyway, a request for you:Search "Status Quo rock" in Google.
The first link is Status Quo's actual home page. Opening line?:
"Status Quo: the number one [b]rock
'n' roll band in the world."'Nuff said. Another one of those links is, ironically enough, Wikipedia. Citing them as a UK rock band. It also returned 3,500,000 hits.
I don't go by this, but playing by your own rules I still smack your arguments.
-AC [/B]
Sure they are a rock band it doesn't stop them being labelled at one opint in there career as Heavy Metal. Type in Psychadelic and Pictures of Matchstick Men, you'll get Status Quo. Bands catorgaries change with time another one of my anti labelling points you missed. Bands grow and evolve and sometimes return to their roots. You missed my point and proved it with your own search.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Status+Quo+psychedelic&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
472 000 hits less than heavy metal but not as many as Rock, Quo were Psychedelic for a few years.
Now that's funny 🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Sure they are a rock band it doesn't stop them being labelled at one opint in there career as Heavy Metal. Type in Psychadelic and Pictures of Matchstick Men, you'll get Status Quo. Bands catorgaries change with time another one of my anti labelling points you missed. Bands grow and evolve and sometimes return to their roots. You missed my point and proved it with your own search.Now that's funny 🙂
I didn't miss your point. You can't make a point, allow me to break it then say "Wasn't my point." Bands don't miraculously change genre.
Closing: People who don't know anything shouldn't label. That said, genres do exist and in the case or rock and metal, are distinguishable. Even if it's not by much, it's very specific.
End of debate.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Bands don't miraculously change genre.
I think this happens more with solo artists like Bowie it doesn't stop it happening with bands if they are around long enough. I don't like Quo but they even dabbled with Electronica with "in the Army now", albeit with a straightforward Rock Progression.
I think so much variation exists within "metal" it is often just a label.
- real end
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think this happens more with solo artists like Bowie it doesn't stop it happening with bands if they are around long enough. I don't like Quo but they even dabbled with Electronica with "in the Army now", albeit with a straightforward Rock Progression.
What point are you making here? Completely irrelevant. Bands can't change genre as much as a solo artist because it's a group thing, not a singular creative force.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think so much variation exists within "metal" it is often just a label.- real end
It's not, there's a reason for it. A reason I've explained to you, a reason you denied because you didn't get it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not, there's a reason for it. A reason I've explained to you, a reason you denied because you didn't get it.-AC
You really didn't you made a statement without justification, chord progressions and scales used are the same, as are riffs, really it usually comes down to the simplistic lyrical content or themes of metal which distiguish it from other rock genres. That and the image which usually appeals to angst filled teenagers and those in their early twenties. 😉
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You really didn't you made a statement without justification, chord progressions and scales used are the same, as are riffs, really it usually comes down to the simplistic lyrical content or themes of metal which distiguish it from other rock genres. That and the image which usually appeals to angst filled teenagers and those in their early twenties. 😉
You are claiming that the riffs in metal are the same as in rock? Let me just clarify this, because you previously told me I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'll ask again: You believe the riffs in rock and metal are the same?
Second: That's not all there is. The technique, sound, tone and rhythm of metal musicians is different to that of rock musicians.
I suggest you go LISTEN to some.
Continue raising age all you want. You're just coming across as an old codger who has no sense of time or evolution. The difference between us is that I'm countering your arguments.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You are claiming that the riffs in metal are the same as in rock? Let me just clarify this, because you previously told me I have no idea what I'm talking about.I'll ask again: You believe the riffs in rock and metal are the same?
-AC
I certainly do believe that they are often the same and whats more they use the same scales and root notes. The only difference often is a fuzz box, and speed masquarading for skill.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Second: That's not all there is. The technique, sound, tone and rhythm of metal musicians is different to that of rock musicians.-AC
Yes thats the fuzz box or distortion
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Continue raising age all you want. You're just coming across as an old codger who has no sense of time or evolution. The difference between us is that I'm countering your arguments.-AC
Personal outburst again about 3 nil me 🙂
Kinda funny 🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I certainly do believe that they are often the same and whats more they use the same scales and root notes. The only difference often is a fuzz box, and speed masquarading for skill.
You just became the music forum's biggest hypocrite whilst hitting the double-whammy of revealing how little you know. Congrats. Way to confirm the fact that you do infact have no sense of difference or evolution on music.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes thats the fuzz box or distortion
Hahaha, it's nothing to do with that. Too hilarious how much you're revealing that you know nothing.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Personal outburst again about 3 nil me 🙂Kinda funny 🙂
3 nil you? You realised you can't win the debate so you try to win on insults? Sad, sad man. You really are gunning for this hypocricy award.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You just became the music forums biggest unknowledgeable hypocrite. Congrats. Way to confirm the fact that you do infact have no sense of difference or evolution on music.
-AC
so actually counter my comment then🙂
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, it's nothing to do with that. Too hilarious how much you're revealing that you know nothing.
-AC
So actually counter my comment then 🙂
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri3 nil you? You realised you can't win the debate so you try to win on insults? Sad, sad man. You really are gunning for this hypocricy award.
-AC
4 nil me its still Kinda funny 🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
so actually counter my comment then🙂
Go read any number of my explanations. I've done it enough and you've ignored it so I'll waste no more time.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So actually counter my comment then 🙂
Read my posts. Don't ignore my counters and then request that I counter, that's silly.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
4 nil me its still Kinda funny 🙂
Ok ok, you win on ageism. Congrats. Hope you sleep well.
-AC