Originally posted by id369
Again, for whatever reason or excuse you want to bring up. Magneto did not beat Apo by himself.
He never has. MU prevents Magneto from tearing him apart unless there is a plot device.
MU wants everyone to belive that Apo > Mag in any version.
And in AoA Nate was the plot device that turned the tides in that match.
THank you Magneto didn't beat AoA mags alone.....but a lot of people would swear to the heaven that he did
Serve me..mainstream...for I am..the way. heh heh
Originally posted by Mainstream
THank you Magneto didn't beat AoA mags alone.....but a lot of people would swear to the heaven that he didServe me..mainstream...for I am..the way. heh heh
What the conveniently forget is that in the beginning of the issue Magneto was, as a captive, attacked by both Holocaust and Apoc too...so fair's fair. It's not like Apoc was crawling around, like, "God, X-man beat the crap out of me. Another shot and I'm done for", just as Magneto appears. Apoc is in MUCH better shape than Magneto was, given that he was a TORTURED CAPTIVE for WEEKS.
Seesh.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Exactly what issue is that? AOA is bs.........or you can count it............and Apoc was shredded by AOA mags(which is at half power of 616).
No, he's right. Apoc ambushed Magneto and he was out before the fight started. Magneto recovered but never really did much. But of course, you'll note that the whole time Apoc was talking about how much weaker Magneto is, both in body and in spirit, ever since losing half of his power. Magneto didn't gain his resolve until the finale of AOA. And when he did regain his resolve....the effects on Apoc were devastating.
Originally posted by Mider
magneto had to take his time to stop apoc he had to magnatise his whole body and even then apoc was gonna chocke the crap out of him
True. I think in all honestly, AOA Apoc, if he weren't so arrogant, could have beaten AOA Magneto. It would have been a battle (it was said that AOA Apoc and Magneto fought several times, and actually ruined the EM field of the Earth as a result, but always ended in a stalemate).
Keep in mind, however that 616 Magneto is several times more powerful than AOA Magneto, and AOA Apoc is actually a bit more powerful than 616 Apoc - so what was a competitive battle in AOA would be something of a stomp in 616.
and they did battle in 616 ive heard Apoc grew to like fifty or fourty feet tall and kicked mags butt. thats why he should always fight at his super sized mood i guess not that he gets hurt in his normal size but yeah the mass makes him less lickly to get thrown back even in the cartoon mags was not owned but shown to be less powerful cause his beam lost to apocs beam and he had to do a sucker shot to apoc throwing him out of the axis of time were he would fall forever but that shouldnt have happend either cause in the episode were archangel thinks he has found a way to stop apocalypse for good apocalypse was shown to fly not just levetiate less levitation counts like 20 feet off the ground he could fly though i do remeber it i use to own the episodes. it took his own ship to stop him he was killing everyone he had to be placed in a unit that would use his own power against him making it useless for him to try to beat his way out of it.
Originally posted by Mider
i dought it in 616 in his GOOD showings Apoc takes a scream from black bolt and laughs it off, was beating prime eternal ikaris, and loki at his strongest i think they stalemated though, and also a not to be messed with high evolutionary with the power to devolve people.
Ikaris was designated as the Prime Eternal, but in his Handbook entry, it actually said that he didn't inherit any of the PE powers, for "undisclosed reasons". I think it was supposed to be a mystery that the series was cancelled before they got to explore it.
also, it wasn't a Black Bolt scream...it was a sonic attack. He can do both. He didn't do the scream because you can see there's no collateral damage. And he wouldn't have done the scream because Apoc was in possession of Scott's son...he wouldn't have risked killing the boy. When he DID do the scream, Apoc was dust, along with half of Wakanda. That's how you can tell the difference between attacks.
He did stalemate both Loki and High Evolutionary. But that was before his powering down, which took place after he was killed by the Dark Riders. when he resurfaced, he had a host body, which made him less stable.
Originally posted by Mider
they keep upgrading mags way to much just to keep showing him as cool i mean seesh doesnt he already pull wormholes out of his butt i mean yes thats true that magnatism can happen but whats this energy mags im hearing about?
Oh, the energy Mags is from X-men: the End. Magnetos body was destroyed on the Shi'ar homeworld, but he resurrected himself and reformed out of energy, revealing that he is one with electromagnetic energy and can't die. He was also able to resurrect Polaris. Next issue, he's going to own the entire Shi'ar empire...
Originally posted by Mider
and they did battle in 616 ive heard Apoc grew to like fifty or fourty feet tall and kicked mags butt. thats why he should always fight at his super sized mood i guess not that he gets hurt in his normal size but yeah the mass makes him less lickly to get thrown back even in the cartoon mags was not owned but shown to be less powerful cause his beam lost to apocs beam and he had to do a sucker shot to apoc throwing him out of the axis of time were he would fall forever but that shouldnt have happend either cause in the episode were archangel thinks he has found a way to stop apocalypse for good apocalypse was shown to fly not just levetiate less levitation counts like 20 feet off the ground he could fly though i do remeber it i use to own the episodes. it took his own ship to stop him he was killing everyone he had to be placed in a unit that would use his own power against him making it useless for him to try to beat his way out of it.
No, they never fought in 616. In HoM, Magneto beat Apoc, and Apoc expected Magneto to kill him. Magneto chose not to kill him, but to offer him a job instead, which Apoc accepted. In exchange, he gave Apoc some desert land to rule over.