magneto vs apocalypse

ahh, don't listen to demigawd, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Apocalypse's base level strength is not 25 tons........ever. He can
lift up to 100 tons according to Marvel trading cards 1991, 1992, and 93'. So shut up trying to say that he is weak.

I know he is a power lifter (for loss of a better word), and he managed to beat all of the X-men's asses (Beast, quicksilver, storm, iceman, colossus, Archangel) single handedly (and dying).

And no, he never fought the brotherhood. He fought Magneto and bishop both at the same time and kicked both of their asses, growing 30-40 feet just to mess with mag's head. However, magneto was at half his power, due to the events in X-men Alpha I beleive. That's where demi got he cute little quote.

I have all the damn comics he's in......don't mess with me, buddy.

Originally posted by demigawd
What the conveniently forget is that in the beginning of the issue Magneto was, as a captive, attacked by both Holocaust and Apoc too...so fair's fair. It's not like Apoc was crawling around, like, "God, X-man beat the crap out of me. Another shot and I'm done for", just as Magneto appears. Apoc is in MUCH better shape than Magneto was, given that he was a TORTURED CAPTIVE for WEEKS.

Seesh.

One of the few instances where demi is right. Magneto was weaker until the end, using Apocalypses tech as makeshift armor and ripping him in half.

Originally posted by demigawd
Keep in mind, however that 616 Magneto is several times more powerful than AOA Magneto, and AOA Apoc is actually a bit more powerful than 616 Apoc - so what was a competitive battle in AOA would be something of a stomp in 616.

Actually, you don't know that. It's never been stated but it's probably the same power levels as 616. After all, it's the same universe, just that Xavier got killed in this one.

Originally posted by Mider
and they did battle in 616 ive heard Apoc grew to like fifty or fourty feet tall and kicked mags butt. thats why he should always fight at his super sized mood i guess not that he gets hurt in his normal size but yeah the mass makes him less lickly to get thrown back even in the cartoon mags was not owned but shown to be less powerful cause his beam lost to apocs beam and he had to do a sucker shot to apoc throwing him out of the axis of time were he would fall forever but that shouldnt have happend either cause in the episode were archangel thinks he has found a way to stop apocalypse for good apocalypse was shown to fly not just levetiate less levitation counts like 20 feet off the ground he could fly though i do remeber it i use to own the episodes. it took his own ship to stop him he was killing everyone he had to be placed in a unit that would use his own power against him making it useless for him to try to beat his way out of it.

Agreed.

It's true, Apocalypse would do alot better to just stay like, 50 feet tall all the time. I mean, it's not a stretch.

And plus it's just F*cking awesome when he grows.

Originally posted by demigawd
No, they never fought in 616. In HoM, Magneto beat Apoc, and Apoc expected Magneto to kill him. Magneto chose not to kill him, but to offer him a job instead, which Apoc accepted. In exchange, he gave Apoc some desert land to rule over.

same thing basically.

Originally posted by demigawd
When he DID do the scream, Apoc was dust, along with half of Wakanda. That's how you can tell the difference between attacks.

Actually, that's HoM you're talking about there, which is not credible.

Originally posted by demigawd
He did stalemate both Loki and High Evolutionary. But that was before his powering down, which took place after he was killed by the Dark Riders. when he resurfaced, he had a host body, which made him less stable.

Good point......never thought of it that way........

Also, he didn't really stalemate the High Evolutionary, more like totally kicked his red ass. I mean, the cover says it all.

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
ahh, don't listen to demigawd, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

heh...he'll learn...

Apocalypse's base level strength is not 25 tons........ever. He can
lift up to 100 tons according to Marvel trading cards 1991, 1992, and 93'. So shut up trying to say that he is weak.

Who said he was weak? That said....what are his strength feats? Go ahead, name some.

If we're going by Marvel trading cards, Magneto and Apocalypse are in the same strength class. Magneto can amp his powers to the 100+ ton range, too.

It's better to go by feats.

I know he is a power lifter (for loss of a better word)

And you know this because of the time when he....?

, and he managed to beat all of the X-men's asses (Beast, quicksilver, storm, iceman, colossus, Archangel) single handedly (and dying).

Wow...he beat a bunch of random mutants.

He also got torn apart by Phoenix. The same Phoenix Magneto beat effortlessly.

He also got blasted to nothing by Cyclops. The same Cyclops Magneto beats, like, every issue.

I have all the damn comics he's in......don't mess with me, buddy.

Consider me duly intimidated. 🙄

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
One of the few instances where demi is right. Magneto was weaker until the end, using Apocalypses tech as makeshift armor and ripping him in half.

Apoc's tech? I hope you're not trying to say that it enhanced Magneto's abilities, hahaha. He took a bunch of scrap metal laying around and covered himself up with it (which is what you'd expect from the master of magnetism).

So Magneto at less than half power tore Apocalypse apart. You can't refute that...it's fact.

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
Actually, you don't know that. It's never been stated but it's probably the same power levels as 616. After all, it's the same universe, just that Xavier got killed in this one.

Wrong.

Let's go over some X-men history 101.

magneto started out an old holocaust survivor - he was a pretty old man. That's what we refer to as "Classic" Magneto.

Classic Magneto was an old man, and as such, didn't have a lot of power at his disposal, because he was way past his prime. He stayed that way until Defenders, when he was turned into a baby by Alpha the Ultimate Mutant. He disappeared for years.

He later resurfaced when he was restored by Erik the Red to his prime...meaning he was restored to a man in his early 30s. As a result, he was more powerful than he ever was before, as he effortlessly beat the stuffing out of the X-men...including the Phoenix.

A decade or so later, he was caught in an explosion on Asteroid M, but was saved by the Acolyte Chrome, who converted him to metal to help him survive. Unwittingly, that transformation increased his sensitivity to electromagnetic energy to a far greater degree than ever, making him even MORE powerful than he was before - so much so that he was able to disable the X-men, X-force, X-factor, Generation X, etc. all at the same time WHILE blocking the telepathy of both Xavier and Jean Grey AND holding a massive space station 10 miles wide aloft ALL AT THE SAME TIME (beat that, Apoc!).

He later blacked out the entire planet with an electromagnetic pulse, overriding planetary shields designed to prevent the use of his powers.

Now, let's go backwards 20 years, when AOA started.

Magneto was never turned into chrome to increase his sensitivity to the EM field.

Magneto was never de-aged and restored to his prime.

Magneto in AOA was "Classic Magneto", at his classic levels.

And then on top of that, he lost half of THAT power.

So yes, there's very clear evidence that 616 Magneto is a lot more powerful than AOA Magneto. 616 Magneto is the most powerful Magneto in Marvel (aside from X-men: The End Magneto).

And yet AOA Magneto still killed Apocalypse.

Apoc is WAAAAY over his head here.

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
same thing basically.

Same thing? OK...then Magneto whipped Apocalypse. Happy?

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
Actually, that's HoM you're talking about there, which is not credible.

Good point......never thought of it that way........

Also, he didn't really stalemate the High Evolutionary, more like totally kicked his red ass. I mean, the cover says it all.

HoM certainly counts. Even moreso than AOA. HoM isn't an alternate reality. It's an altered reality. It's 616....the same characters, just in different situations.

So Apoc has never gotten the best of Magneto, even at Magneto's weakest.

HoM was created by Magneto's daughter magic so basically she made her daddy king of the world...you don't believe she'd make Apoc king and have her dear old pops be his slave did ya?

Magneto kid makes him king and Apoclaypse is an underlining....I was sooooo surprise. 😄

Originally posted by demigawd
heh...he'll learn...

Who said he was weak? That said....what are his strength feats? Go ahead, name some.

If we're going by Marvel trading cards, Magneto and Apocalypse are in the same strength class. Magneto can amp his powers to the 100+ ton range, too.

It's better to go by feats.

And you know this because of the time when he....?

Wow...he beat a bunch of random mutants.

He also got torn apart by Phoenix. The same Phoenix Magneto beat effortlessly.

He also got blasted to nothing by Cyclops. The same Cyclops Magneto beats, like, every issue.

Consider me duly intimidated. 🙄

Ahhhh, X-factor 86. Good stuff.....good stuff.

and there are plenty of characters in the marvel universe that are 100 class or more, but haven't lifted much of anything above their heads, but we know they can. I mean, how many times (if any) has Galactus lifted a 100 ton weight above his head? He doesn't have to though, and we still know he can. Same with APOCALYPSE(amen).

Also, the measure of ones strength can be shown through other feats than lifting clear above one's own head arms fully extended.
I mean, he's restrained the fricken HULK! And while the hulk was struggling, but apocalypse wasn't exerting himself that much, yada yada yada.....

Originally posted by demigawd
Apoc's tech? I hope you're not trying to say that it enhanced Magneto's abilities, hahaha. He took a bunch of scrap metal laying around and covered himself up with it (which is what you'd expect from the master of magnetism).

So Magneto at less than half power tore Apocalypse apart. You can't refute that...it's fact.

Wrong.

Let's go over some X-men history 101.

magneto started out an old holocaust survivor - he was a pretty old man. That's what we refer to as "Classic" Magneto.

Classic Magneto was an old man, and as such, didn't have a lot of power at his disposal, because he was way past his prime. He stayed that way until Defenders, when he was turned into a baby by Alpha the Ultimate Mutant. He disappeared for years.

He later resurfaced when he was restored by Erik the Red to his prime...meaning he was restored to a man in his early 30s. As a result, he was more powerful than he ever was before, as he effortlessly beat the stuffing out of the X-men...including the Phoenix.

A decade or so later, he was caught in an explosion on Asteroid M, but was saved by the Acolyte Chrome, who converted him to metal to help him survive. Unwittingly, that transformation increased his sensitivity to electromagnetic energy to a far greater degree than ever, making him even MORE powerful than he was before - so much so that he was able to disable the X-men, X-force, X-factor, Generation X, etc. all at the same time WHILE blocking the telepathy of both Xavier and Jean Grey AND holding a massive space station 10 miles wide aloft ALL AT THE SAME TIME (beat that, Apoc!).

He later blacked out the entire planet with an electromagnetic pulse, overriding planetary shields designed to prevent the use of his powers.

Now, let's go backwards 20 years, when AOA started.

Magneto was never turned into chrome to increase his sensitivity to the EM field.

Magneto was never de-aged and restored to his prime.

Magneto in AOA was "Classic Magneto", at his classic levels.

And then on top of that, he lost half of THAT power.

So yes, there's very clear evidence that 616 Magneto is a lot more powerful than AOA Magneto. 616 Magneto is the most powerful Magneto in Marvel (aside from X-men: The End Magneto).

And yet AOA Magneto still killed Apocalypse.

Apoc is WAAAAY over his head here.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Buddy, you missunderstood me. I wasn't saying that magneto wasn't as poweful here or couldn't beat Apocalypse.

I was replying to the post that said Apocalypse was more powerful in the AOA universe than the 616 reality, which is unconfirmed, but it IS the same (just different costumes).
I wasn't talking about mags (directly, anyway).
I have no beef with Mag. beating Apocalypse the way he did. He is a very powerful character......there! Never said otherwise.

Also, Phoenix is a cosmicly powerful being. No shame or weakness in almost getting killed by her. (and didn't he still blast her backwards after that?)
Cyclops also had the combined powers of himself, jean, and nate when he blasted APOCALYPSE. And we don't know that he was obliterated. In fact, he came right back to star in X-cutioners song.

But just to make things clear: your right about what you said about magneto. I never had a problemo with that......good.

and I forgot what else I was going to say. I will reply when I can think of it.

AH HA HA HA HA HA H HA HAH AH AH HAH AH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😕 😮

Originally posted by Mainstream
HoM was created by Magneto's daughter magic so basically she made her daddy king of the world...you don't believe she'd make Apoc king and have her dear old pops be his slave did ya?

Magneto kid makes him king and Apoclaypse is an underlining....I was sooooo surprise. 😄

Yes, good. That is why it's uncredible.

oh and,.....thank you.

Originally posted by demigawd

Now, let's go backwards 20 years, when AOA started.

Magneto was never turned into chrome to increase his sensitivity to the EM field.

Magneto was never de-aged and restored to his prime.

Magneto in AOA was "Classic Magneto", at his classic levels.

And then on top of that, he lost half of THAT power.

Yes, fine. But nothing changed apocalypse's abilities. That's what I was saying....and.... aw damn it, I think I just made it worse.

And demi--- I wasn't talking to YOU when I said "shut up trying to call him weak". I was talking (as always) about marvel and the "you" in general (i.e. people that have it out for Apocalypse).

There, that concludes our disambiguation for today.

current magneto would beat apoc.

wh yis this stil going on, i though a conclusion came to this

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
Agreed.

It's true, Apocalypse would do alot better to just stay like, 50 feet tall all the time. I mean, it's not a stretch.

And plus it's just F*cking awesome when he grows.

What do you mean?

Uhhh.....How am I a senior member??!!!!!!!!! Don't think that's right.