Could spidey beat wolvie with out webs?

Originally posted by Dizzle
I LOVE THE HATE!!!

In all honesty, I think Spiderman COULD win, if he were being a total jackass, because I don't really see him much without ripping out Logan's stomach a few times. Neck snapping and joint dislocation SHOULD work too. But then again, Logan should be knocked out very very easily (if for a short amount of time) but that doesn't happen in comics either.

Dislocating bones or snapping Logan's neck should actually be very possible. There's no possible way to say it wouldn't. It's just rotating a ball in a socket, not actually pulling two things apart. If Logan's joints don't move, then neither does he. Has anyone ever actually tried and failed to snap his neck? Again, it would not require breaking bones, pulling two bones apart, etc. Simply rotating his head a little bit farther than it was meant to go.

Just for a visual aid... Notice how the two bones are not connected.

You can want it to be a certian way all you want, but 616 wolverine wasn't able to be pulled apart, cut apart or burned apart.

So you can have all the wishfull thinking you want, and rely on non-canon sources for validation. But unfortunately for your hopes and dreams, 616 Wolverine does what you wish he couldn't.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Too bad that doesn't apply to wolverine.

You can want it to be a certian way all you want, but 616 wolverine wasn't able to be pulled apart, cut apart or burned apart.

So you can have all the wishfull thinking you want, and rely on non-canon sources for validation. But unfortunately for your hopes and dreams, 616 Wolverine does what you wish he couldn't.

correct here some prove.
by the way this guy hella stronger then spiderman

unreal

Originally posted by Ex11B
unreal

Originally posted by Boozing

by the way this guy hella stronger then spiderman

glaringly wrong

anyways

after reviewing some comics i had stored away, i think this may be a little more even that i had origionally thought

im definatly not giving this to wolvie, but pete has one HELL of a time hitting or especially KOing him

more than anything i think this fight is determined by the geography, if spiderman has room to get away and set the pace, i just dont think wolvie has a proper counter to that style, ie, no ranger or superspeed to make spiderman fight if he looses momentum.

however, in confined spaces wolvie may be too much for that kind of fight. I had VASTLY underestimated his basic agility/fighting sences.

Spiderman on a regular basis dodges oponents faster than wolvie, but logan seems to have an impecable talent for doing the impossible 🙂

put them in a steel cage and it becomes a real fight, though i say spidey 7/10

Originally posted by inamilist
glaringly wrong

anyways

after reviewing some comics i had stored away, i think this may be a little more even that i had origionally thought

im definatly not giving this to wolvie, but pete has one HELL of a time hitting or especially KOing him

more than anything i think this fight is determined by the geography, if spiderman has room to get away and set the pace, i just dont think wolvie has a proper counter to that style, ie, no ranger or superspeed to make spiderman fight if he looses momentum.

however, in confined spaces wolvie may be too much for that kind of fight. I had VASTLY underestimated his basic agility/fighting sences.

Spiderman on a regular basis dodges oponents faster than wolvie, but logan seems to have an impecable talent for doing the impossible 🙂

put them in a steel cage and it becomes a real fight, though i say spidey 7/10

who am I wrong?
also setting a pace what ar eu talken about?
if any thign spiderman running away would make wolverine win easier due to the fact wolverine stamina is many tiems better then spidermans stamina .
wolverine has superhuman agility and reflexes.
spiderman can't use his webs remeber so he going to have to get close to fight wolverine which will ge thim killed.
wolverine 10/10
spiderman with webs will lose mroe often then win vs wolverine also.

Originally posted by Boozing
who am I wrong?
also setting a pace what ar eu talken about?
if any thign spiderman running away would make wolverine win easier due to the fact wolverine stamina is many tiems better then spidermans stamina .
wolverine has superhuman agility and reflexes.
spiderman can't use his webs remeber so he going to have to get close to fight wolverine which will ge thim killed.
wolverine 10/10
spiderman with webs will lose mroe often then win vs wolverine also.

lol, did you read the past 10 pages of discussion?

a lot of these points have been discussed

wolvie at max str is just above peak human (unfortunatly i dont have a # ammount, if someone could fill this in pls 🙂 )

Spiderman's is 15 tonnes

Spiderman on a regular basis keeps away from enemies WAY faster than wolvie. Again, he is just above peak human, spiderman is way above that. Even the Marvel.com stats put spiderman's speed at 3 where wolvies is at 2

the TYPICAL fighting style for peter is an adaptation of hit and run

also, when i say peter runs away to set momentum, i dont mean that he just stands back and goes "time out"

im saying he jumps 30 feet over wolverine and waits for him, or jumps again if the timing isnt right. SPIDERMAN sets the pace of this fight.

I am not saying spiderman is a better hero or fighter than wolvie. its the mobility, and being able to set pace/momentum

petes lucky to walk away from it though 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Too bad that doesn't apply to wolverine.

You can want it to be a certian way all you want, but 616 wolverine wasn't able to be pulled apart, cut apart or burned apart.

So you can have all the wishfull thinking you want, and rely on non-canon sources for validation. But unfortunately for your hopes and dreams, 616 Wolverine does what you wish he couldn't.

When did someone ever attempted to do that? I have seen him burned, cut, skinned, shot but I haven't seen anything trying to simply snap his neck and pull it apart nor anyone at all tried to tear 2 connect bones from a limb.

Until you provide some conclusive proof that's impossible to do, you are also speculating. Even the scan that was previosly posted gave a shoddy explanation on his bones being adamantium and all, even though the bones themselves are not being held together by another.

and you all laughed when I said this thread wouldn't end. It's on it's way to be just like the regular Wolverine vs. Spider-Man thread.

BTW

if wolverine gets spidey into a corner he cant jump out of, the fights over, imho

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and you all laughed when I said this thread wouldn't end. It's on it's way to be just like the regular Wolverine vs. Spider-Man thread.

😛

im officially done
lol

*sigh

i think you may have the best foresight here

Originally posted by inamilist
lol, did you read the past 10 pages of discussion?

a lot of these points have been discussed

wolvie at max str is just above peak human (unfortunatly i dont have a # ammount, if someone could fill this in pls 🙂 )

Spiderman's is 15 tonnes

Spiderman on a regular basis keeps away from enemies WAY faster than wolvie. Again, he is just above peak human, spiderman is way above that. Even the Marvel.com stats put spiderman's speed at 3 where wolvies is at 2

the TYPICAL fighting style for peter is an adaptation of hit and run

also, when i say peter runs away to set momentum, i dont mean that he just stands back and goes "time out"

im saying he jumps 30 feet over wolverine and waits for him, or jumps again if the timing isnt right. SPIDERMAN sets the pace of this fight.

I am not saying spiderman is a better hero or fighter than wolvie. its the mobility, and being able to set pace/momentum

petes lucky to walk away from it though 🙂

wolverine strength is over 1 tons and my oppion is in 2 ton range. thats a good dela over peakhuman.
wolverines agility and reflex are far over peakhuman. this is not debate able due to seeing wolverine easiliy dodge lazers and machine gun firer.
speed has nuthing to do with battle speed. it is how fats u can run which in a fight means nuthing.
wolverien can not jump 30 feet but he can how ever jump very high can can get up wals rather fast.
again liek i said hit and run would be the worst thing spiderman can do.
1 wolverine will ut last him due to stamina
2 it gives wolverine time to heal

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
When did someone ever attempted to do that? I have seen him burned, cut, skinned, shot but I haven't seen anything trying to simply snap his neck and pull it apart nor anyone at all tried to tear 2 connect bones from a limb.

Until you provide some conclusive proof that's impossible to do, you are also speculating.

I just show u prove , but here it is again

Originally posted by inamilist
😛

im officially done
lol

*sigh

i think you may have the best foresight here

Well there is a reason I call myself Charles. It's not a very good one, and doesn't relate to this thread...oh right I'm insane...oh well *shrugs*

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well there is a reason I call myself Charles. It's not a very good one, and doesn't relate to this thread...oh right I'm insane...oh well *shrugs*

lol

so good its worth me breaking my word

this is the last one then....

for real this time

Originally posted by Boozing
I just show u prove , but here it is again

Look again at the explanation on wolverine's thought. It stated he has adamantium bones. How does adamantium bones prevent ligaments, joint, tendons or other connective tissues from being torn apart?

That's PIS or more appropriately, it might not have worked if he was try to tear his entire body apart and not just a single limb or head.

Spider-man is only gunning for the head and not the entire body.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Look again at the explanation. He said he has adamantium bones. How does adamantium bones prevent ligaments, joint, tendons or other connective tissues from being torn apart? That's PIS or more appropriately, it might not have worked if he was try to tear his entire body apart and not just a single limb or head.

Spider-man is only gunning for the head and not the entire body.

if a guy who woverine 100 tons pull trys to pull both ur arms apart and can't how much chance does a guy with 15 tons have?

I don't have scanns but I be more and gladd to send u issue numbers were it shows wolverine whole arm just as adamatium.

Originally posted by Boozing
if a guy who woverine 100 tons pull trys to pull both ur arms apart and can't how much chance does a guy with 15 tons have?

I don't have scanns but I be more and gladd to send u issue numbers were it shows wolverine whole arm just as adamatium.

I know how the strength factor relates. But it's pretty absurd it cannot work considering it's really not the bones that connects themselves together.

Tell you what, just give me the issue number where his entire skeleton system shows it's purely bonded with adamantium and i'll try to analyze if you can find some. Just look at it this way, even if it's adamantium, he can't be flexible enough due to it's properties unless the procedure long pig stated with Deathlok is know with the Weapon X program or Poccy.

And btw, if it's Drac, he's not class 100. He's only a 50 though he might have some means to amp himself.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I know how the strength factor relates. But it's pretty absurd it cannot work considering it's really not the bones that connects themselves together.

Tell you what, just give me the issue number where his entire skeleton system shows it's purely bonded with adamantium and i'll try to analyze if you can find some. Just look at it this way, even if it's adamantium, he can't be flexible enough due to it's properties unless the procedure long pig stated with Deathlok is know with the Weapon X program or Poccy.

And btw, if it's Drac, he's not class 100. He's only a 50 though he might have some means to amp himself.

day of future past shows wolverines whole skeleton to gather.
venom on the 2 and 3 show wolverines whole adamtium skeleton still to gather.
new x-men 116 shows wolverines arm just as adamtium skeleton and it is all still to gather
also it not dracular it ba'al brtoher to satan. he is like a demond go he is far more powerful the dracula

Originally posted by Boozing
day of future past shows wolverines whole skeleton to gather.
venom on the 2 and 3 show wolverines whole adamtium skeleton still to gather.
new x-men 116 shows wolverines arm just as adamtium skeleton and it is all still to gather
also it not dracular it ba'al brtoher to satan. he is like a demond go he is far more powerful the dracula

First of all, it's uncertain of Ba'al's s.l. whether he's 100 or below.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/baalhadad.htm

Second, seen those scans. Some of it didn't gave shot of Wolverine having ligaments or tendons. That doesn't discount he hasn't have them. The one with the arm is logically PIS considering it's all bones. I mean, how the hell is it connected at all? There's really no logic whatsover to it. It's like Marvel forgot there's such a thing that exist or could just be playing artistic effect of providing artistical views on Wolverine's skeletal innards.

I really dunno how to rule how is it even possible. Just get this, it's plain impossible for him to move if it's all adamantium. It's should be considered as mere plot stupidity and nothing more.