Could spidey beat wolvie with out webs?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
First of all, it's uncertain of Ba'al's s.l. whether he's 100 or below.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/baalhadad.htm

Second, seen those scans. Some of it didn't gave shot of Wolverine having ligaments or tendons. That doesn't discount he hasn't have them. The one with the arm is logically PIS considering it's all bones. I mean, how the hell is it connected at all? There's really no logic whatsover to it. It's like Marvel forgot there's such a thing that exist or could just be playing artistic effect of providing artistical views on Wolverine's skeletal innards.

I really dunno how to rule how is it even possible. Just get this, it's plain impossible for him to move if it's all adamantium. It's should be considered as mere plot stupidity and nothing more.

I don't care that it not logical it is what wolverine is and just ebcause it not logical does not make it true. also when have comics ever been logical?

Originally posted by Boozing
I don't care that it not logical it is what wolverine is and just ebcause it not logical does not make it true. also when have comics ever been logical?

Well it's not only illogical, it's plain impossible. Otherwise Logan would stand there and won't be able to move or if he did, the bones will limp off considering nothing is holding it apart.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Well it's not only illogical, it's plain impossible. Otherwise Logan would stand there and won't be able to move or if he did, the bones will limp off considering nothing is holding it apart.

He is shown as he is normally depicted in a fight using all of those abilities. And if i'm not mistaken, some of those pics are him already dead. the skeleton might have already been gone of course. So he is depicted here as alive, a mutant who basically has an unbelievably fast hf and adamantium bonded skeleton. He's not stated to have any bonded with aside from his skeleton. I'll take it as i interpret it and he is showned that way.

No way is he healing his way from decapitation and there is simply no way his skeletal system is made without any connective tissues unless stated. I won't try to argue further about how it looks like cause for all we know, the artist could have just decided not to include it when he draws logan and not eliminate the fact that he still has them.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
He is shown as he is normally depicted in a fight using all of those abilities. And if i'm not mistaken, some of those pics are him already dead. the skeleton might have already been gone of course. So he is depicted here as alive, a mutant who basically has an unbelievably fast hf and adamantium bonded skeleton. He's not stated to have any bonded with aside from his skeleton. I'll take it as i interpret it and he is showned that way.

No way is he healing his way from decapitation and there is simply no way his skeletal system is made without any connective tissues unless stated. I won't try to argue further about how it looks like cause for all we know, the artist could have just decided not to include it when he draws logan and not eliminate the fact that he still has them.

again due to the evidence u are incorrect, stop try to rationalize comics. the evidence proof that spiderman cna not ripp wolverines head off. also by the way wolverine 32 states wolverine can regrow his head and has.

Jus look at ultimate Wolverine and how the Hulk pulled him apart. Also in the Spider-Man vs Wolverine when Spider-Man grabbed his neck, didn't he know what SM was planning on doing. Basically he acknowlegded that what SM was planning to do would work. Oh and in the X-men where the met Nightcrawler's father in 'hell', they were going to pull off his arms and then souder the eound so he wouldn't heal from that. Prove that his limbs whcih can be taking off from their joints

And SM's stamina isn't horribly slow. He does have super-human endurance and has been shown fighting for 12 hrs straight before.

Also SM may not be as strong as Wolverine's other opponnents, but he is much faster. A melee of punches against Wolverine's skull is sure to do some damage. Close, but Spider-Man still takes this.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Jus look at ultimate Wolverine and how the Hulk pulled him apart. Also in the Spider-Man vs Wolverine when Spider-Man grabbed his neck, didn't he know what SM was planning on doing. Basically he acknowlegded that what SM was planning to do would work. Oh and in the X-men where the met Nightcrawler's father in 'hell', they were going to pull off his arms and then souder the eound so he wouldn't heal from that. Prove that his limbs whcih can be taking off from their joints

And SM's stamina isn't horribly slow. He does have super-human endurance and has been shown fighting for 12 hrs straight before.

Also SM may not be as strong as Wolverine's other opponnents, but he is much faster. A melee of punches against Wolverine's skull is sure to do some damage. Close, but Spider-Man still takes this.

ultimate wolveriens bonding proccess was diffrent. also ultimate comcis can not be used as evidence in non ultimate debate.
spiderman has punched wolverine and did pritty much no damage to him.

Originally posted by Boozing
again due to the evidence u are incorrect, stop try to rationalize comics. the evidence proof that spiderman cna not ripp wolverines head off. also by the way wolverine 32 states wolverine can regrow his head and has.

Besides the fact that i think that Wolverine regrowing his heads is PIS, i don't think thats really the point. If he just hit him hard enough on his neck he could conceivably break his spinal cord. Wolvie might eventually heal, but at least there is KO

Originally posted by Boozing
ultimate wolveriens bonding proccess was diffrent. also ultimate comcis can not be used as evidence in non ultimate debate.
spiderman has punched wolverine and did pritty much no damage to him.

How is it different? The only difference that i can remember between 616 and ultimate wolverine is that in ultimate adamantium is only semi-indestructible. And besides that, what about the example in X-Men

Originally posted by marvelprince
Besides the fact that i think that Wolverine regrowing his heads is PIS, i don't think thats really the point. If he just hit him hard enough on his neck he could conceivably break his spinal cord. Wolvie might eventually heal, but at least there is KO

Originally posted by marvelprince
How is it different? The only difference that i can remember between 616 and ultimate wolverine is that in ultimate adamantium is only semi-indestructible. And besides that, what about the example in X-Men

Originally posted by Boozing
again ur not listening u can't break wolverines neck because it atatch to one another as I already stated and shown evidence to back up
also bone claws wolverinr got his neck broken and he did not get nocked out.

Sorry but i just don't understand you. Wolverine's neck is attached yes. But its attached like beads on a chain. The beads are indestructible but if you severe the link...you get the picture. The proof you have is not conclusive, as what i'm refering to happened along last year, i think. Diagrams in question only showed the bones in his arm, not the connective tissue.

And when Wolvie's neck was snapped was his spinal cord also broken? If not its a moot point

The example i mean is when Nightcrawler's father was planning to remove Wolverine's arms by cutting them off at the joints and then healing up the wound. He knew all about Wolverine and his adamantium skeleton and he knew that the joints were weak spots so to speak. This seems a lil more conclussive than what you have given me so far

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sorry but i just don't understand you. Wolverine's neck is attached yes. But its attached like beads on a chain. The beads are indestructible but if you severe the link...you get the picture. The proof you have is not conclusive, as what i'm refering to happened along last year, i think. Diagrams in question only showed the bones in his arm, not the connective tissue.

And when Wolvie's neck was snapped was his spinal cord also broken? If not its a moot point

no don't seem to understand. his bones are all attached. sicne they are all attached and covered in adamatium then it is impossable to break his neck. also the comcis I listed 2 of them showed wolverines whole body.
bone clawed wolverine go his neck broken but it did not say how.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sorry but i just don't understand you. Wolverine's neck is attached yes. But its attached like beads on a chain. The beads are indestructible but if you severe the link...you get the picture. The proof you have is not conclusive, as what i'm refering to happened along last year, i think. Diagrams in question only showed the bones in his arm, not the connective tissue.

And when Wolvie's neck was snapped was his spinal cord also broken? If not its a moot point

The example i mean is when Nightcrawler's father was planning to remove Wolverine's arms by cutting them off at the joints and then healing up the wound. He knew all about Wolverine and his adamantium skeleton and he knew that the joints were weak spots so to speak. This seems a lil more conclussive than what you have given me so far

Sorry, edited this. Check the last paragraph.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sorry, edited this. Check the last paragraph.

ya not true at all. he actauly new nuthing about wolverines skeleton at all. he said make sure u cut it at the jionts because he may in fact have metal in his bones. night crawlers father did not even know what type of metal wolverine had and he did not know if wolverine had it all over his body. your evidence is from a guy who clearly new not a thing about wolverine.
well my evidence is shown in pictures on the comic and is stated in one that he can not be ripped a part due to his skeleton

Originally posted by Boozing
ya not true at all. he actauly new nuthing about wolverines skeleton at all. he said make sure u cut it at the jionts because he may in fact have metal in his bones. night crawlers father did not even know what type of metal wolverine had and he did not know if wolverine had it all over his body. your evidence is from a guy who clearly new not a thing about wolverine.
well my evidence is shown in pictures on the comic and is stated in one that he can not be ripped a part due to his skeleton

Don't have my issue in front of me, i have the one before that. I know its from Uncanny X-men and the arc was "The draco". If you have scans that would great. And anyway, no one is debating that Wolverine's skeleton and bones are adamantium, but he still only have regular connective tissue, something that the diagrams did not show. So it stands to reason that Azazel simply deduced this and figured it out. It doesn't take a degree in Wolverine to realize that its impossible for his connective tissue to be adamantium, otherwize he wouldn't be able to move.

And please don't counter with its a comic book so it doesn't have to be logical. It doesn't. But it is. Marvel makes sure that reality is suspended generally only where the powers are concerned. Everything, at least recently, is factually based.

Oh and to clarify, i now the diff between ultimate and 616 Marvel in terms of history and continuity. I follow both closely. I meant how is the bonding process different from 616 to ultimate Wolverine to the point where i can't compare the two.

g2g for now, but nice debating with you

Originally posted by marvelprince
Don't have my issue in front of me, i have the one before that. I know its from Uncanny X-men and the arc was "The draco". If you have scans that would great. And anyway, no one is debating that Wolverine's skeleton and bones are adamantium, but he still only have regular connective tissue, something that the diagrams did not show. So it stands to reason that Azazel simply deduced this and figured it out. It doesn't take a degree in Wolverine to realize that its impossible for his connective tissue to be adamantium, otherwize he wouldn't be able to move.

And please don't counter with its a comic book so it doesn't have to be logical. It doesn't. But it is. Marvel makes sure that reality is suspended generally only where the powers are concerned. Everything, at least recently, is factually based.

Oh and to clarify, i now the diff between ultimate and 616 Marvel in terms of history and continuity. I follow both closely. I meant how is the bonding process different from 616 to ultimate Wolverine to the point where i can't compare the two.

g2g for now, but nice debating with you

see ya have a nice day

Hey, let's show all the pics where Wolverine MOVES. That should show that his bones move normally...

And:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Okay. If Spidey punches Logan ONE time, Logan can't slash back. You know why? Because the force of a punch coming from a guy who can punch steel doors down will put some movement on you. Every time Spider-Man punches Logan, his hands will go flailing wildly, giving him no chance of stabbing anything. And Spidey can hit him like three or four times in second. If he continues to hit him, Wolverine is helpless, because he can't move his arms because of the constant punching. Eventually, Wolverine is down.

Or when was the last time you punched someone at the same time they punched you?

And if you say that Wolverine takes hits from Hulk all the time, I may direct you to this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=385547&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hey, let's show all the pics where Wolverine MOVES. That should show that his bones move normally...

And:

And if you say that Wolverine takes hits from Hulk all the time, I may direct you to this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=385547&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

ya that threads funny seeing how most every one of those pics show wolverine not getting ko. also those same pics arnt the whole fight why don't u show the whole fight instead of the aprt that down plays wolverine?

Originally posted by Boozing
again due to the evidence u are incorrect, stop try to rationalize comics. the evidence proof that spiderman cna not ripp wolverines head off. also by the way wolverine 32 states wolverine can regrow his head and has.

what evidence? you mean when he's already dead and their showing his evidence or when his arm flesh was melted off and we couldn't properly tell if the connective tissues are still there?

I rationalize it so we can interpret what are the factors here more clearly. I didn't try to enforce strict science when a man w/ claws a foot long can unsheath it in his forearms.