Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You just said Spiderman beats Storm,Rogue,Cyclops at the same time and never denied anything. Sorry you are clearly not a fanboy of spiderman then right ?
didn't say that i believed it i just said that it happened. which it did.
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Originally posted by inamilistGod I just asked you guys the same thing like 80 times and all I hear is that he hits and runs which I proven doesn't knock out Wolverine by hit and runs.
alrightTwisterGameX
i would like you to write the scenario in which wolverine wins, and then give proof as to how he is able to do the things he does
Please remember to include the FULL range of all Spider Man's abilities (minus webbing)
Some other guy said spidey is a long range fighter and ok but the man has no webs and would have to get close to brawl. The next guy said spidey picks up wolverine and wants to throw him xxx amount of miles away and I say that if you ever seen spidey throw people far it takes a bit of time to throw that far so fast so while spidey is running to wolvie to grab and throw him(not dodgeing) is going to get stabbed once spidey puts his hands on wolvie.
If Wolvie attacks spidey with his training to make himself faster(if you ever watch anime on how they explain how that stuff makes you do this faster or what not) or just read wolvie comics or any ninja thing, gives wolvie slicing speed but yes spider sense will alllow him to dodge but how is spiderman focused on defense to pay attention and reac to the spider sense be able to do offense that is effective enough to hurt wolverine. Spidey hit and runs will not over whelm no healing factor and spidey either gets tired and gets stabbed or spidey focusses on offense this time and not be able to react(pay attention) on dodging an barage of wolverine claws....
Originally posted by Jose123
didn't say that i believed it i just said that it happened. which it did.http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvxmen4ch.jpg
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Yes that is not Pis right.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Yes that is not Pis right.
Nope not to me.
i just see it as spider-man taking them by surprise webbing a few up then quickly running away from there just to be mindwiped by proff x seconds later.
and it's funny how quickly people point out other PIS yet they except whatever wolverine does no matter how stupid it is.
Bone Claw Wolverine slashing Ms.marvel
Surviving a direct hit fro a nuke with his pants still on squeaky clean.
Even what if scenarios like the Silver surfer stabbing.
Originally posted by Jose123
Nope not to me.i just see it as spider-man taking them by surprise webbing a few up then quickly running away from there just to be mindwiped by proff x seconds later.
and it's funny how quickly people point out other PIS yet they except whatever wolverine does no matter how stupid it is.
Bone Claw Wolverine slashing Ms.marvel
Surviving a direct hit fro a nuke with his pants still on squeaky clean.Even what if scenarios like the Silver surfer stabbing.
You said they beat them
BS Wolverine is the first to be poinhted out on that what he does is PIS..heck even if it is not PIS they still say it is because it might be an arguemnet against spidey. Everyone alive said that the nuke was so much pis...the thing is no one like sto point out spideys pis...
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
God I just asked you guys the same thing like 80 times and all I hear is that he hits and runs which I proven doesn't knock out Wolverine by hit and runs.Some other guy said spidey is a long range fighter and ok but the man has no webs and would have to get close to brawl. The next guy said spidey picks up wolverine and wants to throw him xxx amount of miles away and I say that if you ever seen spidey throw people far it takes a bit of time to throw that far so fast so while spidey is running to wolvie to grab and throw him(not dodgeing) is going to get stabbed once spidey puts his hands on wolvie.
If Wolvie attacks spidey with his training to make himself faster(if you ever watch anime on how they explain how that stuff makes you do this faster or what not) or just read wolvie comics or any ninja thing, gives wolvie slicing speed but yes spider sense will alllow him to dodge but how is spiderman focused on defense to pay attention and reac to the spider sense be able to do offense that is effective enough to hurt wolverine. Spidey hit and runs will not over whelm no healing factor and spidey either gets tired and gets stabbed or spidey focusses on offense this time and not be able to react(pay attention) on dodging an barage of wolverine claws....
wow, this is long, the important thing is in bold the rest is basically just my *proof*
(im not touching your reference to anime, and as far as im cencerned, the fact that you brought it up shows a limited understanding of what it is we are discussing)
ok, you understand the basics of each of their powers
but remember, there are many things happening in this fight than wolverine running at spiderman
here is a basic fact on the physics of fighting. If one fighter has a longer reach than the other, they have an ADVANTAGE. Since both peter and logan are proportionatly sized for their body, peter comes in at 5'10" and logan comes in at 5'3" (marvel.com)
so, just punching, spiderman can be about half a foot out of Wolverine's punch range and still land solid blows. Now wolvie has claws, so i think spiderman will AVIOD standing on the ground and punching wolvie dead on, since the claws probably make up for that 6-7"s
however, spiderman can KICK wolverine from almost a METER away. Well out of his slash range.
Since speed and agility wise Spiderman>wolvie, he doesnt even need to start jumping, he could probably take him on toe to toe. Add the spider sence and wolverine LITTERALLY CANNOT TOUCH HIM
these are the VERY IMPORTANT FACTS
1) spiderman has a range advantage (and a good one at that)
2) spiderman moves faster than wolverine
3) the spider sence
now, how can spiderman's dodge style win against wolverine. well, my example of him running up a wall was more to show that the characters powers have a general unbalance. IF spiderman wanted, he can null the fight by just chilling somewhere that wolvie cant get to him at
however, making witty puns from a wall wont hurt logan physically (we all know about his unstable mind and emotions)
Spiderman can PUNCH hard enough to knock steel doors off of their hinges. That IS way MORE than hard enough to HURT wolverine
not a one hit KO, but think of it like this, ill try and play out a scenario
*Wolverine is hunting spiderman
Spiderman, for some reason, is on the ground, and, again for some unknown reason, his spider sense doesnt alert him of logans presence until, say, just before he attacks.
Wolverine's attack (lunge lets say) is dodge easily by SS and agility being superior to wolverines attacks
SS keeps him at least a foot outside of Wolvierine's attack radius, and he is more than able to keep this because of being FASTER and the precog of the spidersense. (i know its not precog... but ive already written so much)
However, spiderman, without even jumping is able to land very strong kicks on wolverine at this range.
So, moral of the story, you need to watch some boxing
Spider-man is stronger and faster than Wolverine, as I see it, he just has to flip over Wolverine, and use the momentum of his jump to toss him before Wolverine has a chance to react.
And "Hit and run" doesnt mean literally punch and then run away. it means land a blow and then get out of Wolverines range until he has the next chance to attack, allowing him to attack frequently while avoiding Wolverine's attacks.
Spider-man hes the edge. 8/10
Originally posted by Jose123
didn't say that i believed it i just said that it happened. which it did.http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvxmen4ch.jpg
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I would've thought that night crawler could teleport his way outta webbing, and Rogue is really strong and can maybe lift more than spidey so I would've thought she would be able to break out off the webbing, unless this was before rogue became really strong.
Originally posted by steverules
I would've thought that night crawler could teleport his way outta webbing, and Rogue is really strong and can maybe lift more than spidey so I would've thought she would be able to break out off the webbing, unless this was before rogue became really strong.
The webs have managed to hold the thing before. And nightcarwler not teleporting through? I got this from someone else so there are some missing but if you look closely Crawler is standing right next to wolverine in the last Pic.
Originally posted by inamilist
[b] wow, this is long, the important thing is in bold the rest is basically just my *proof*(im not touching your reference to anime, and as far as im cencerned, the fact that you brought it up shows a limited understanding of what it is we are discussing)
ok, you understand the basics of each of their powers
but remember, there are many things happening in this fight than wolverine running at spiderman
here is a basic fact on the physics of fighting. If one fighter has a longer reach than the other, they have an ADVANTAGE. Since both peter and logan are proportionatly sized for their body, peter comes in at 5'10" and logan comes in at 5'3" (marvel.com)
so, just punching, spiderman can be about half a foot out of Wolverine's punch range and still land solid blows. Now wolvie has claws, so i think spiderman will AVIOD standing on the ground and punching wolvie dead on, since the claws probably make up for that 6-7"s
however, spiderman can KICK wolverine from almost a METER away. Well out of his slash range.
Since speed and agility wise Spiderman>wolvie, he doesnt even need to start jumping, he could probably take him on toe to toe. Add the spider sence and wolverine LITTERALLY CANNOT TOUCH HIM
these are the VERY IMPORTANT FACTS
1) spiderman has a range advantage (and a good one at that)
2) spiderman moves faster than wolverine
3) the spider sence
now, how can spiderman's dodge style win against wolverine. well, my example of him running up a wall was more to show that the characters powers have a general unbalance. IF spiderman wanted, he can null the fight by just chilling somewhere that wolvie cant get to him at
however, making witty puns from a wall wont hurt logan physically (we all know about his unstable mind and emotions)
Spiderman can PUNCH hard enough to knock steel doors off of their hinges. That IS way MORE than hard enough to HURT wolverine
not a one hit KO, but think of it like this, ill try and play out a scenario
*Wolverine is hunting spidermanSpiderman, for some reason, is on the ground, and, again for some unknown reason, his spider sense doesnt alert him of logans presence until, say, just before he attacks.
Wolverine's attack (lunge lets say) is dodge easily by SS and agility being superior to wolverines attacks
SS keeps him at least a foot outside of Wolvierine's attack radius, and he is more than able to keep this because of being FASTER and the precog of the spidersense. (i know its not precog... but ive already written so much)
However, spiderman, without even jumping is able to land very strong kicks on wolverine at this range.
So, moral of the story, you need to watch some boxing [/B]
The anime thing was just to explain something to you on how logic plays in it but of course you try to use it against me so nevermind that.
Wolverines claws have areach and trying to tag a 5'3 that goes barage is not easy.
Spidey kicks wolverine and gets his legs chopped off when he is kicking unless spiderman could fly to dodge claws while he is in direct offence. the traing wolverine gets as I explained the martails arts and smamaria stuff.
Police can kick down a door to break a locked door..but can they punch through ?
Wolverine brawls with Hulk,Wendigo,Collosus, Wonderman, and didn't get taken out so easily and I mind you these are some class 100 people. So I don't see spidey knocking out wolverine by the hit and run which does not overwhelm his healing factor. Spiderman can not be in offense mode and fully be in defense(reacting to his spidersense) to a barage of attacks. The dark w/e guy explained that part in your mobile thread. Then spiderman either dodges wolvies attacks in defense to aviod claws until he gets tired and gets killed by slipping up or he goes offense with some defense(can not be in full affect ) and still gets hit while in offense because spiderman aims at the 5'3 guy and trys to get a solid ihit to his adamantuim skeleton and skull.
Okay. If Spidey punches Logan ONE time, Logan can't slash back. You know why? Because the force of a punch coming from a guy who can punch steel doors down will put some movement on you. Every time Spider-Man punches Logan, his hands will go flailing wildly, giving him no chance of stabbing anything. And Spidey can hit him like three or four times in second. If he continues to hit him, Wolverine is helpless, because he can't move his arms because of the constant punching. Eventually, Wolverine is down.
Or when was the last time you punched someone at the same time they punched you?
Originally posted by Jose123
The webs have managed to hold the thing before. And nightcarwler not teleporting through? I got this from someone else so there are some missing but if you look closely Crawler is standing right next to wolverine in the last Pic.
Didn't see that, I was quickly lookin through the pics so that I could get my answer in before someone else made the point I was gonna make.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Wolverines claws have areach and trying to tag a 5'3 that goes barage is not easy.
wolverine's arm + claw doesnt come close to the range of a spiderman kick
My example didnt even have spiderman jumping
in fact, mine was the BEST CASE SCENARIO for wolvie that i could think of, short of finding peter asleep (spiderman still takes it 7/10)
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Spidey kicks wolverine and gets his legs chopped off when he is kicking unless spiderman could fly to dodge claws while he is in direct offence. the traing wolverine gets as I explained the martails arts and smamaria stuff.
well... here is the funny think about both kicking, slashing, and the interactions with spidersense
so, we will do this with standing opponents, again giving wolverine the best odds one can...
spiderman goes to throw a kick, which would be faster than wolverine's slash anyways, but we will ignore that
there is a set and release phase to any striking attack. this means that you dont just kick from having your foot on the ground, there is a step in between that, given his training, wolverine would definatly notice.
As soon as wolverine prepares to attack Spideman's incomming leg (which he notices BEFORE the kick is thrown, this is important!) spidey's spider sense goes off alerting him that throwing a kick will result in his leg being removed. Subconsiously and instinctively spiderman either pulls the kick, fakes to a punch, jumps away to compleatly avoid or jumps behind to assult from the back
IF Wolverine does NOT notice the kick at the setting stage and spidey gets to release, wolverine does not have the speed to catch his leg in mid flight.
You are also forgetting that wolvering is not immoveable. One solid kick from spiderman and he goes flying. Not KO, but he is on the ground, and its a quick end to the fight from there
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Police can kick down a door to break a locked door..but can they punch through ?
at my old house i had to *break down* a fairly heave door that was locked (not bolted). I was able to do so, without a whole lot of problems.
What spiderman can do is burst open SEALED STEEL doors that would individually weigh tonnes and probably have SERIOUS bolting mechanisms.
if you want it numerically, he can lift close to 15 tonnes as far as i remember. Ya, he packs a GREAT punch.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Wolverine brawls with Hulk,Wendigo,Collosus, Wonderman, and didn't get taken out so easily and I mind you these are some class 100 people. So I don't see spidey knocking out wolverine by the hit and run which does not overwhelm his healing factor.
hit and run does not mean 1 punch, move out of attack range.
especially because spiderman is capable of ALWAYS being outside of wolverines attack range (im probably amping his fighting skills too much, i guess he really doesnt have any "formal" training, but this is very, VERY, basic combat skills)
so, spiderman dodges, then dodges, then WHAM, manages to connect with 1 kick. wolverine flies 4 feet and hits the ground. While there spiderman runs up and stomps the back of his head until he dies.
ALSO, healing factor < invulnerability.
i personally believe that most of those characters fall into the *mobility unbalanced* catagory against spidey. im not sure about wonderman, since im not too sure of his powers.
it is almost ESSENTIAL to have super speed when fighting spiderman
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Spiderman can not be in offense mode and fully be in defense(reacting to his spidersense) to a barage of attacks. The dark w/e guy explained that part in your mobile thread.
Wolverine's fighting skills fall well short of the necessary supremecy over spiderman needed to make up for the unbalance
DU agrees with the unblance as far as i can tell, his point was that Hulk was too much of an extreme example.
i still personally would argue SM stalemates H
and wolverine beating hulk is PIS
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Then spiderman either dodges wolvies attacks in defense to aviod claws until he gets tired and gets killed by slipping up or he goes offense with some defense(can not be in full affect ) and still gets hit while in offense because spiderman aims at the 5'3 guy and trys to get a solid ihit to his adamantuim skeleton and skull.
lol
you are correct, in the same moment of time, spiderman cannot dodge and attack (well, he can, he does it in his books all the time, but again, the ludicracy of this topic does not even require spiderman at 100% to mop the floor with wolvie)
but, spiderman is fast enough to counter, riptose, perry 😛 all of wolverines attacks.
i STILL havent brought up his jumping mobility from an offensive standpoint
seriously, give it up, wolvie gets beat like a child
