Originally posted by Dizzle
Surfer is underrated a lot, surprisingly enough. In a heads up fight, pretty much anyone that he has the capacity to kill will be killed, because he's way the hell too fast to really be challenged by even most other speedsters. I don't think he's truly EVER been used to capacity, because he can simply do WAY too much.
This is THE problem with all uber-uber-uber heroes. Writing stories or effective challenges for them becomes a challenge in itself. My guess is, if the Surfer were also a tactical fighter, it would be impossible to write him because he would be able to do things we mere mortals could not even imagine.
It is why depicting him as dependent on his board for flight is absurd.
It is why -- though it aint obvious how -- he could still have his way with Diana. Just imagine, if nothing else, what power cosmic could do to the pleasure center of her brain (or for that matter, all of them; yet another way he could incapacitate the League).
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
He caccons some of them first
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7568/stones5hz.jpgthey can't touch him
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/galactus/[url]http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
He'll be able to know and see them before they do
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...untlet3p36a.jpgMM ain't going nowhere
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpgJLA ain't doing shit
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=5205262SS can win if he knows what he's doing if just pops in out of nowhere then SS chance of winning are leesend.
SS takes this 6/10 though i think more of a 5/10 chnace of SS wining.
DOes surfer have better vision than supes cause i did not know about the vision thing
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You like the Surfer 😉 thats cool
YEP, AND I KNOW WHEN HES BEAT, AND HES NOT BEAT, but i alos like hulk, Captain Marvel (DC), Gladiator, Thor, Robin. But i detect in your post a hiddedn agenda as though yopu wish to portray me as and SS fanboy, just like you tried last time with Thor
Originally posted by Eternity
Surfer would not even allow diana to touch him. He could amp his strength to either equal or surpass hers or just balst her into oblivion. Kryptonite radiation would do it for superman and he could disintegrate mm easily. What are you refering to saying that JLA characters should be used to full potential? Flash would be the only real problem and surfer would certainly catch him before flash becomes faster. Aquaman and steel are not even issues if surfer fights smartly he could win 6 or 7/10 the keeper would win 9/10. SUrfer has taken hulks punches to no effect is it diana that goiung to pose a problem for him NO WAY
Plenty of much, much slower characters than Diana have touched him. Surfer is no light speed fighter. She has magical weapons that he can't get around.
You picked the wrong league. These characters are used to fighting as one. Flash removes speed from SS, and gives to everyone else on the league, they lasso SS, and Supes simply pummels him to oblivion. MM is bored, so is aquaman.
SS can go temporal no stealing speed is going to work or create a baarier like the scans i've posted , even if his speedis stolen he'll just recover it natural as his is feed the power cosmic and/or he'll just amp himself back. oh and SS and move in fast sppeds he once broke these special bonds used to capture him in a nano second.
LOL...4 pages. Decent Surfer arguments, but even just Superman would be a good match for him (despite the ludicrous he-wins-in-two-seconds-because-of-a-specific-radiation-blast argument I've heard many times before...he would need to know exactly what to do, since a normal blast would just be damaging, not draining. In the meantime, Supes is every bit his equal, if not better, in strength and fight speed) though he'd probably lose eventually. But with two high-level telepaths attempting to harass him, a person he probably can't even see (Flash), and multiple herald-level beings pounding him he's in over his head.
It's great to point to best case scenario arguments, in which case Surfer has a bit more chance (though we'd also have to include some ridiculous Superman feats), but can anyone honestly see Surfer being written (even with a good writer who's doing justice to the characters) to beat the majority of the JLA? Not happening.
Two high level what, they don't come close to a person weilding the mind gem let alone when its moondragon
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg
Now SS can just go temporal and beat them in that state or just create a force field around himself and bet that using his cosmic powers.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
Moondragon was trying to bludgeon him telepathically. Once they see that they can't just assault him, MM and Aquaman can just harass him. Telepathic interference from two trained telepaths will do wonders for slower down fight speed and concenttration.
And MM could phase trhough that bubble...or WW could hold her lasso while Flash wraps him in it, then hold him down with it while the rest of them beat him senseless. Too many possibilities. Surfer's the most powerful in the fight...but it isn't a one-on-one.
This thread is an interesting read.
My first impulse reading the title was JLA all the way, but given the roster and Surfer's abilities, and the fact this is a forum battle and not a comic, I'd give Surfer anywhere from 5/10-7/10. Surfer's speed, cosmic awareness, manipulation of the EM spectrum and matter transmutation abilities are really too formidable.
Aquaman, Steel, and HawkGirl could be downed at the onset of combat, possibly Flash and Manhunter as well given Surfer's speed.
Supes is comparable to Surfer (the "majestic" class of hero), but his weakness to a specific radiation frequency coupled with Surfer's cosmic awareness and energy augmentation is what gives Surfer a dynamic tactical edge against him and why I'll always side with Norrin in a straight up fight. In a pure slugfest without other abilities at play I'd side with Supes all day due to his experience and feats, but even then Surfer has taken extreme heavyweights by physical means, including M'rungo M'uu, a B-league Skyfather from a one shot.
Wonder Woman is extremely powerful (and skilled) but has durability issues.
Flash has one ability that Surfer can trump.
Surfer's just too versatile for this particular group given their weaknesses and ability sets. Combined they just about equal Surfer's ability set, but he also has cosmic awareness, complete control of the EM spectrum, is glaringly faster and can erect forcefields.
If they had Kyle or John with them I'd drop Surfer to maybe 2/10-3/10.
A GL and Batman about the same. Bat's is the brains, but he's very mortal.
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
Two high level what, they don't come close to a person weilding the mind gem let alone when its moondragonhttp://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Infinity_Crusade03-34.jpg
What does this prove? That Surfer can be controlled. He got out of it eventually, like all characters do.
Now SS can just go temporal and beat them in that state or just create a force field around himself and bet that using his cosmic powers.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
This just shows Surfer getting beat down by Hulk alone...
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
do you now what happend before that scan SS was too busy Anaylysing Hulks Unusual energy reading, ignoring Hulk warnings so maybe i should post the scan before that for you. 😄
Feel free. Superman alone has defeated characters above Surfer.
Adding the league is overkill.
Originally posted by illadelph12
This thread is an interesting read.My first impulse reading the title was JLA all the way, but given the roster and Surfer's abilities, and the fact this is a forum battle and not a comic, I'd give Surfer anywhere from 5/10-7/10. Surfer's speed, cosmic awareness, manipulation of the EM spectrum and matter transmutation abilities are really too formidable.
Aquaman, Steel, and HawkGirl could be downed at the onset of combat, possibly Flash and Manhunter as well given Surfer's speed.
Supes is comparable to Surfer (the "majestic" class of hero), but his weakness to a specific radiation frequency coupled with Surfer's cosmic awareness and energy augmentation is what gives Surfer a dynamic tactical edge against him and why I'll always side with Norrin in a straight up fight. In a pure slugfest without other abilities at play I'd side with Supes all day due to his experience and feats, but even then Surfer has taken extreme heavyweights by physical means, including M'rungo M'uu, a B-league Skyfather from a one shot.
Wonder Woman is extremely powerful (and skilled) but has durability issues.
Flash has one ability that Surfer can trump.
Surfer's just too versatile for this particular group given their weaknesses and ability sets. [b]Combined
they just about equal Surfer's ability set, but he also has cosmic awareness, complete control of the EM spectrum, is glaringly faster and can erect forcefields.If they had Kyle or John with them I'd drop Surfer to maybe 2/10-3/10.
A GL and Batman about the same. Bat's is the brains, but he's very mortal. [/B]
At last, Good post
Here you go Avalonofthewind
SILVER SURFER VS HULK
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