Originally posted by Superherovandal
Strange isn't above persuasion he's still human.
True, never said he was, just said he was no mere human.
meaning I'm sure it would be a hell of alot more difficult than influencing the average joe,
and still there are some regular human christian fanatics that can't be touched by the devil, so although he's human it's possible to resist satan
Originally posted by unknowable
True, never said he was, just said he was no mere human.
meaning I'm sure it would be a hell of alot more difficult than influencing the average joe,
and still there are some regular human christian fanatics that can't be touched by the devil, so although he's human it's possible to resist satan
Lucifer isn't Satan....
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He's next in line for the role of Presence....
You're not understanding Lucifer correctly. Which is okay because the Vertigo books can be mind-boggling
Originally posted by Draco69
Lucifer isn't Satan....🤨
He's next in line for the role of Presence....
You're not understanding Lucifer correctly. Which is okay because the Vertigo books can be mind-boggling
He's thinking of in the Bible mate, where Satan is referred to as Lucifer, the morning star that has fallen.
But you're right - in the comic world, he's one of the angels and they have numerous 'lesser' characters taking on the role of the devil.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
He's thinking of in the Bible mate, where Satan is referred to as Lucifer, the morning star that has fallen.But you're right - in the comic world, he's one of the angels and they have numerous 'lesser' characters taking on the role of the devil.
Scuse my ignorance'
Bottom line still is the Spear of Destiny smacked The Spectre around by it being in the hands of some average joe(non mystic/sorcerer whatever)
It is known that the more powerful it's wielder,(in terms of magic)the more damage the Spear can cause.
So once again, if the Spear of Destiny(and this is a fact)almost KILLED Spectre
"The Wrath of God" in the hands of some hobo, how much more powerful you think it would be in the hands of earth's most powerful sorcerer.
and by the way, The Spear is especially inclined to killing angels, so Satan, Devil or Lucifer, no matter the name, they are aall vulnerable to the Spear.
And if Lucifer is not "the Devil/Satan" why they bit the name and the occupation and his history, it's not mindboggling, I think the word is plagiarism.
To bad you can't sue the writers of the Bible hahahahahahah!!!
Originally posted by unknowable
Scuse my ignorance'Bottom line still is the Spear of Destiny smacked The Spectre around by it being in the hands of some average joe(non mystic/sorcerer whatever)
It is known that the more powerful it's wielder,(in terms of magic)the more damage the Spear can cause.So once again, if the Spear of Destiny(and this is a fact)almost KILLED Spectre
"The Wrath of God" in the hands of some hobo, how much more powerful you think it would be in the hands of earth's most powerful sorcerer.and by the way, The Spear is especially inclined to killing angels, so Satan, Devil or Lucifer, no matter the name, they are aall vulnerable to the Spear.
And if Lucifer is not "the Devil/Satan" why they bit the name and the occupation and his history, it's not mindboggling, I think the word is plagiarism.
To bad you can't sue the writers of the Bible hahahahahahah!!!
This post was meant for Draco69
Originally posted by unknowable
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And if Lucifer is not "the Devil/Satan" why they bit the name and the occupation and his history, it's not mindboggling, I think the word is plagiarism.
To bad you can't sue the writers of the Bible hahahahahahah!!! [/B]
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I meant, to bad the writers of the Bible can't sue anyone hahahahaha!!
Originally posted by Mider
funny haha anyway Lucifer would find a way to win IMO.
that's speculation,
the facts lean in Dr Strange's favor
Dr Strange, a man who somehow defied the Living Tribunal and is still alive.
more hahahahahahaha!!!!
Not saying LT is more or even as powerful as Luc. but yall making it seem like regardless of the inevitable, simply, Luc will find a way.
Regardless that he has no defense or offense, oh wait a minute, Luc has influence and ofcourse Strange is a dumbo that's easily manipulated although he stood up to possibly Marvel's most powerful character.
again hahahahahahaha!!!
Originally posted by Mider
SILENCE its already been posted that the spear has to make contact to kill lucifer so how is that gonna happen less he does it willingly which i doubt he would.
Like Lucifer won't be able to tell Strange what to do, niether will you tell me.
Your on my side now, and I appreciate your wisdom that's even secret to you.
Exactly, "the spear has to make contact to kill lucifer so how is that gonna happen less he does it willingly which i doubt he would."
What does this mean? I'll tell ya, Lucifer would run from Strange for ever(which he can)and since he can't attack Strange, be it from an inch away or universes away, the fight would go to Strange because of Lucifer's cowardice.
Ever heard of a FORFEIT!!!
That's when a competitor decides not to show to the event, he automatically loses.
Come to think of it perhaps Strange could anticipate Lucifer's desertion of the battle through the Vishanti, teleport to Lucifer's next stop and knock em there.
This also is speculation though...
Originally posted by JohnR
Nice matchup. I'll go with Lucifer winning more times than not. Since the Spear's from the DC Universe, Lucifer would know what it is and what it's powers are. Unless the Spear makes its user God-like, Lucifer would just kill Strange.
Makes sense, but their fighting in an unbiased universe,
Second, he/she who holds the Spear, becomes invulnerable to any attack, especially from angels.
And if you read the first few posts you'l see that the Spear was used by a nobody to bash the Mighty Spectre nearly to death, but the interesting thing is, the more magically inclined the wilder, the more powerful still the Spear becomes.
This was the debate, if average joes can kill the Spectre with it, what are the possibilities if it where in the hands of earth's sorcerer supreme.
Originally posted by unknowableBut anyone who wields it is turned evil and becomes insane and suffers severe delusions. I don't think Strange would have access to a lot of powers this way. Being Sorceror Supreme requires him to be pure of thought.
Makes sense, but their fighting in an unbiased universe,Second, he/she who holds the Spear, becomes invulnerable to any attack, especially from angels.
And if you read the first few posts you'l see that the Spear was used by a nobody to bash the Mighty Spectre nearly to death, but the interesting thing is, the more magically inclined the wilder, the more powerful still the Spear becomes.
This was the debate, if average joes can kill the Spectre with it, what are the possibilities if it where in the hands of earth's sorcerer supreme.
And average joes didn't smack the Spectre around with it. But indeed if he was DUMB enough to get into a physical confrontation, it COULD and has pierced him. But all the people who have wielded it against him phyically, while not magically inclined were people like Superman, and other heros and villains of likewise calliber. And also Captain Marvel.
Truth is, Spectre or Lucifer could just snap their fingers and put them down and out. What good is that Spear going to do in the entropy at the end of the universe? Or just put him in his own reality, or rewrite reality around him as if he never existed.
Any scenario ending of either of these character's death would be full of plotholes..plot devices, and PIS.
Originally posted by Juntai
But anyone who wields it is turned evil and becomes insane and suffers severe delusions. I don't think Strange would have access to a lot of powers this way. Being Sorceror Supreme requires him to be pure of thought.And average joes didn't smack the Spectre around with it. But indeed if he was DUMB enough to get into a physical confrontation, it COULD and has pierced him. But all the people who have wielded it against him phyically, while not magically inclined were people like Superman, and other heros and villains of likewise calliber. And also Captain Marvel.
Truth is, Spectre or Lucifer could just snap their fingers and put them down and out. What good is that Spear going to do in the entropy at the end of the universe? Or just put him in his own reality, or rewrite reality around him as if he never existed.
Any scenario ending of either of these character's death would be full of plotholes..plot devices, and PIS.
The exact nature and extent of the Spear’s powers remain ambiguous. However, even those with no formal magical training have been able to use it to produce world-altering effects. Aside from the Sphere of Influence, Adolf Hitler used the Spear’s power to summon a flight of real, tangible valkyries and, in April 1945, nearly succeeded in unleashing the devastation of Gotterdamerung onto the Earth and bringing about the end of the world. Others with no mystical inclination have nearly succeeded in destroying the Spectre, one of the DC Universe’s most powerful magical entities, by simply using the Spear as a melee weapon. The Sphere of Influence itself was an extremely formidable spell, capable of automatically controlling the minds and wills of the most powerful metahumans and sorcerers at tremendous distances without even requiring the conscious volition of the Spear’s wielder. It should be noted, however, that the Sphere was created by Hitler in partnership with a Japanese occultist called the Dragon King and bolstered with the power of the Holy Grail. A feat of such magnitude may not be possible without the assistance of a more competent magic-user.