Dr Strange(with Spear of Destiny)vs Spectre no, to easy, Lucifer instead

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well i suggest you have a re-read of your Lucifer collection:

When Yahweh left creation, the brothers' powers went on a downward spiral.

All that image shows is that Lucifer's power isn't worth much against "God." The two titans took Yahweh's place.

Lucifer's and Michael's powers were probably diminished in an absolute sense, but not a relative sense since all of creation was starting to fade.

And in the end, Lucifer kills the two titans by retroactively killing them before they became "God."

i doudt that Strange is always going to have that spear in his hand eventually he will put it down and when that happens bye bye strange.

Originally posted by Juntai
Sorceror, The guy who retrieved it flew into space at Superspeeds and came back and gave it to them, and said he wanted nothing to do with it after feeling the evil that coursed within it. Was the consciousness of Sam Wilson grafted to an Extraterrestrial metal alloy.
Then in issue 47 the guy who's using it is very well just a normal guy, however he's a stealth battle suit made out of the same "indestructible" alloy, flying around stabbing people with it. Spectre engages him in HAND TO HAND combat[wtf? lol] and he stabs Spectre with it, and Spectre dissapears.

Then in issue 50...Spectre then had more important issues to deal with, as they assembled the Talisman, and summoned an abstract entity, during the time Spectre and now good guy The Patriot [Earlier in the story-arc known as Sorceror or Sam Wilson.] handled him. During this time, Spectre's HUMAN COP partner, rushed the wielder of the Spear of Destiny, punched him in the face, knocked him down, beat him up, took the spear and killed him with it. So much for invincible huh?

No they didn't, in DOJ they didn't want anyone but Captain Marvel to touch it, because he's considered the purest soul in DC's Universe. As he's an innocent child inbued with the power of Gods. And even he was questioning if he could hold out against it. Afterwards, still none of them touching it, they encased it in magic and put it into the sun.

Because comics are different than the forum. Same way Batman throws down with Superamn in comics books. Fact is, characters like Spectre that have destroyed and recreated the universe in it's ENTIRETY, multiple times are perfectly capable of not moving into close quarters combat. Which is what happened in the fight with The National Interest, he ran in and started boxing the guy. Similarly, Hal Jordan arisen from the dead, kept Spectre busy while Captain Marvel blindsided him with it.

Jun,
you make sense don't get me wrong,
but it's that character I was refering to in issue 47, his battle suit doesn't make him superhuman and definately not a magician, sorcerer or mystic, it just makes him less vulnarable to attacks.

Still your right about comic writers and the silliness that takes place,
from defeating something like The Spectre to gettin beat up by some human cop. It's kinda of a joke.

I have a question though, I want your opinion.
If the Speart makes one insane does this mean it doesn't work, or does it still contain it's power even in the grip of madness?

And do you think an evil already insane type wizard, mystic whatever, would be bothered by the Spear's negative affects, because in that case let's put it in the hands of Chthon. lol

Originally posted by Mider
i doudt that Strange is always going to have that spear in his hand eventually he will put it down and when that happens bye bye strange.

True,

but by then Lucifer may have already been bye bye..

Originally posted by unknowable
Jun,
you make sense don't get me wrong,
but it's that character I was refering to in issue 47, his battle suit doesn't make him superhuman and definately not a magician, sorcerer or mystic, it just makes him less vulnarable to attacks.

Still your right about comic writers and the silliness that takes place,
from defeating something like The Spectre to gettin beat up by some human cop. It's kinda of a joke.

I have a question though, I want your opinion.
If the Speart makes one insane does this mean it doesn't work, or does it still contain it's power even in the grip of madness?

And do you think an evil already insane type wizard, mystic whatever, would be bothered by the Spear's negative affects, because in that case let's put it in the hands of Chthon. lol

And his battle suit was made out of that indestructible extraterrestrial metal and tech hybrid. Saying he's not a superhero/villain type, as I said, would be saying Iron Man or Steel aren't superheros/villains or whatever.

But yeah, in the end, the human cop whooped him. If he can do it, Spectre or Lucifer would have little problem.. provided they didn't run forward and leap onto the end of the spear. It has the capacity to pierce anything, and lots of undefined magic properties, such as the regular human used the spear to guide his attacks. Close combat isn't really an option against it. It's the ultimate CQC weapon.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, they would suffer the delusions, imo, but a crazy guy is a crazy guy. It would probably try to lead them on a mission of world [or more] conquest, as everyone who seems to touch the spear ends up doing.

And his battle suit was made out of that indestructible extraterrestrial metal and tech hybrid. Saying he's not a superhero/villain type, as I said, would be saying Iron Man or Steel aren't superheros/villains or whatever.

But yeah, in the end, the human cop whooped him. If he can do it, Spectre or Lucifer would have little problem.. provided they didn't run forward and leap onto the end of the spear. It has the capacity to pierce anything, and lots of undefined magic properties, such as the regular human used the spear to guide his attacks. Close combat isn't really an option against it. It's the ultimate CQC weapon.

I see.

Ironman/Steel referal, lol and true.

So the Spear is limited to CQC, that I have to challenge cause of what I read, it can do alot of other unbelievable feats, now how that comes into play in combat, I'm not to sure, but we both know it can mind control the most powerful meta-humans, even across inter-steller distances, and Hitler created tangible animated valkyries from nothing, so we don't really know if it can AHYUNKICK a mighty blast RYU style. LOL

what do you think?

Originally posted by unknowable
I see.

Ironman/Steel referal, lol and true.

So the Spear is limited to CQC, that I have to challenge cause of what I read, it can do alot of other unbelievable feats, now how that comes into play in combat, I'm not to sure, but we both know it can mind control the most powerful meta-humans, even across inter-steller distances, and Hitler created tangible animated valkyries from nothing, so we don't really know if it can AHYUNKICK a mighty blast RYU style. LOL

what do you think?

So I'm not really saying it's LIMITED to CQC, but rather, against characters of this caliber, it seems only limited to CQC.

The Spear however did also seem to protect that guys soul from The Spectre as well. There's another power.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, The Spear of Destiny has mostly undefined powers, but from what we've seen, against a character like Spectre or Lucifer it seems that CQC is the only way it was used. Making one to believe that's the only other form of offense that could be used to mount against them is rather ineffective. If it had a power to stop them in another way, wouldn't someone have tried?.

So I'm not really saying it's LIMITED to CQC, but rather, against characters of this caliber, it seems only limited to CQC.

The Spear however did also seem to protect that guys soul from The Spectre as well. There's another power.

ahh, understood..

He also 'called upon the spear' to find the real Spectre, when Spectre split himself into multiples.
There's another power.

But it's a wonder why he made a couple of FAKE duplicates, when Hal was able to produce fully powered and conscious versions of himself in a seemingly endless number.