Sliverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 1, Fight 1- long pig vs. Blair Wind

well its funny, but Duplicate Boy is to mutants, and aliens what Animal Man is to animals and alien animals....but whatever, someone asked for scans heres two scans:

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/superwhoswho/DuplicateBoy-adv324-08.jpg

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/superwhoswho/HeroesofLallor-adv324-05.jpg

He used Superboy's powers against him, and used the Heroes of Lallor's powers straight in a row. Really Duplicate Boy can mimic any "super" power he wants, much akin to Animal Man mimicing all animal traits.

Now in the bio I provided it states that he can also pick which power he wants from a set of powers on one person. Now taking that into account the moment animal man starts duplicating (and scoobs did ask an interesting question, HAS it ever been shown to duplicate and use his powers?), lets SUPPOSE that he cannot mimic his powers. He still has Wendigo's mimicing powers, and shown the speed which he can change powers in that scan it could start hitting himself like Wendigo did during prep to create dupes himself (to do this all would be on the basis that Powerhouse could hold down the other characters for the few moments it would take to do this really a few seconds.) Right there you have about 300 Duplicate Boy copies and the only one that needs to have the MM factor is the original, yes? that would mean I could duplicate 100 Powerhouses (gravity fields are gonna make your life a *****.) One powerhouse is a pretty strong person with gravity but 100 of them? Then you have 50 speedfreaks running around, and 50 Radiactive Men turning the tables on RM himself. the last 100 take Crystals powers and cause major havok with tornados, firestorms, waterstorms, specified earthquakes, you get my drift right?

Now what animal can fly in a tornado and is not afraid of fire? All animals have that instinct (and Animal man does get their instincts...)

also the gravity fields of 100 powerhouses would hold you down against the earth, while tornados are going everywhere, firestorms going everywhere. And LP when did I say the Wendigos would run? I said when in pain it would be like a cornered animal and fight harder!

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Right there you have about 300 Duplicate Boy copies and the only one that needs to have the MM factor is the original, yes? that would mean I could duplicate 100 Powerhouses

Question: wasn't that aspect of the powers banned? he can only copy one power at a time (as per the rules) and if he's using MM's duplicating ability then he can't be using anyone else's power at the same time... and as soon as he stops using MM's power the dupes should disappear or be reabsorbed (or something)

Now taking that into account the moment animal man starts duplicating

You're going to be overwhelmed and massacred. You can't go back and change your strategy, you made it, now you have to stick with it. And it'll cost you the match.

Now what animal can fly in a tornado and is not afraid of fire? All animals have that instinct (and Animal man does get their instincts...)

What I mean is: My DB takes MM's powers. The clones are perfect to him, right? So the only one that I need is the original to keep the dupes up, while the dupes throw away their duping power in turn for the ones listed.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
What I mean is: My DB takes MM's powers. The clones are perfect to him, right? So the only one that I need is the original to keep the dupes up, while the dupes throw away their duping power in turn for the ones listed.

Originally posted by long pig
I duplicated during prep. There is no moment of realization for you. Hell, Duplicate Boy wouldn't know what's happening when all of a sudden he's overwhelmed by tons of animal men.

You're going to be overwhelmed and massacred. You can't go back and change your strategy, you made it, now you have to stick with it. And it'll cost you the match.

He doesn't take their irrational fears, for ****'s sake man. Read the comic. You don't know what you're talking about.

what I know about AM is on bios and Grants run, thats about it sorry if I sound like a ****ing idiot. If he has Powerhouses powers he will be able to see the AM coming at him, slower thanks to my gravity powers slowing everyone down (attraction to earth and all, plus their still faster than your animal men). It doesnt take a genius to figure to fight numbers with numbers. He takes the MM powers and duplicates, and uses the aforementioned powers.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So Long Pig DID use the bacteria attack...I foresaw it.

Originally posted by long pig
When exactly do you find the time machine to go back and do all of this?
And I do think using MM's powers for a mimic's power was voted out.

time machine? you have AM guys attacking all over the place and he uses numbers to fight. back 🤨...

and no it wasnt, Scoobs talked about it, I agreed then, but no one else said anything about it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
what I know about AM is on bios and Grants run, thats about it sorry if I sound like a ****ing idiot. If he has Powerhouses powers he will be able to see the AM coming at him, slower thanks to my gravity powers slowing everyone down (attraction to earth and all, plus their still faster than your animal men). It doesnt take a genius to figure to fight numbers with numbers. He takes the MM powers and duplicates, and uses the aforementioned powers.

How do you think you can dodge all the blasts and radiation posioning weakening you, messing with your body and do all this WHILE being attacked by sonic booms from 1001 Animal Men?

Seriously?

Originally posted by long pig
He doesn't take their irrational fears, for ****'s sake man. Read the comic. You don't know what you're talking about.

didn't you only recently start reading Animal Man? give the guy a break, i've never read the comic either.... that's why it's good to show scans

Originally posted by Blair Wind
What I mean is: My DB takes MM's powers. The clones are perfect to him, right? So the only one that I need is the original to keep the dupes up, while the dupes throw away their duping power in turn for the ones listed.

Actually, that makes perfect sense. If Duplicate Boy copies the one power of Multiple Man (self replication, the Wendigo thing is a magical curse), Duplicate Boy could create multiples of himself, and each of the clones would be able to duplicate other powers, save the original Duplicate Boy.

In the words of JR: "We're in for a slobber knocker!!!".

Originally posted by Scoobless
didn't you only recently start reading Animal Man? give the guy a break, i've never read the comic either.... that's why it's good to show scans

Originally posted by Blair Wind
time machine? you have AM guys attacking all over the place and he uses numbers to fight. back 🤨...

and no it wasnt, Scoobs talked about it, I agreed then, but no one else said anything about it.

Gak!

I vote for....um...damn. Such a burden being a judge. Who are the others for these 2 matches?

My mind is reeling from this stupid-as-mud duplicating stuff going on. Blair just thought of a nifty way around the DB only copying one person (first Wendigo then the copies can ditch that and copy other people), but Animal Man has the bacteria thing...*shakes head in confusion and agony* the other match doesn't have this crap, right?

A few of Blair arguments haven't been fully fleshed out (recently with the DB stuff he's finding his stride) but some of the others have been iffy. LP certainly "sounds" more convinced he'd win...but that can be misleading. One thing that got mentioned then hastily dropped was the whole "Animal Man sometimes loses control" thing. If he copies a bunch of animals, does he start to lose his sanity or something? I thought that was a promising start to calling AM into question, but it never went anywhere.

Oh, and when are these matches over? I want to wait a while, but I can't miss the end since I'm a judge. Good job to both though. And duplicates suck 😛

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Such a burden being a judge. Who are the others for these 2 matches?

good point.... i bet half of them haven't read (and probably wont read) the arguments so far

The matches will all end/begin on a Sunday. They all last 1 week. You have plenty of time, Digi.

Oh yeah, and these are the ONLY two teams in the entire tournament with multiplying powers. And so I thought it was funny that they ended up paired together in the first round, even though me and SS had a fairly random system for selecting the order and such...

Oh, and the judges in these two matches are yourself, (DigiMark) xmarksthespot, (whore) LethalFemme, and newjak. All 3 of the others PMed me back and agreed to judge, so I'd hope they show up...

Originally posted by long pig
Won't work. You don't have enough time.

How do you think you can dodge all the blasts and radiation posioning weakening you, messing with your body and do all this WHILE being attacked by sonic booms from 1001 Animal Men?

Seriously?

first off it wouldnt be wise to use radiation attacks considering that your using your on men to fight me, the intermixing would hurt them too, plus my powerhouse can survive in radiation, its a form of energy, and even if thats a loose term, the last bio states that he is ok in it.

two crystal can create varouis tornados which would reak havoc on your army, a tornado is still a force to be reckoned with, add some fire? 😈
fried animal men

three if you want my "time machine" its called gravity, im making the attraction between you and the earth and increasing the attraction, in effect making you slower, and with the anti grav sheilds makes me faster. This most effects Speedfreak, not letting him get to me before I can analyze the situation. And to some degree yes I can control gravity that would in turn include the earths gravity, but I doubt I can take all your men out underground till I have my 100 gravity controllers, which by the time you reach me, I will have.

If he copies a bunch of animals, does he start to lose his sanity or something?

But, that all got flushed out after the Crisis and after he found the Red.

does anyone remember when this tourney was 4 Vs 4?

😂

Good to know I have some time.

And what's the ruling on Blair's idea for Duplicate Lad (or whatever-the-hell) with duplicating Wendigo, then ditching him in all but one and copying others??

If you think about it, he might be able to create some sort of infinite loop where he keeps doing that with the other duplicates until there's millions of DB's....not trying to help Blair, but it seemed like a rather glaring loophole. Still, he'd probably reach a limit long before that.

Originally posted by Dizzle
The matches will all end/begin on a Sunday. They all last 1 week. You have plenty of time, Digi.

Oh yeah, and these are the ONLY two teams in the entire tournament with multiplying powers. And so I thought it was funny that they ended up paired together in the first round, even though me and SS had a fairly random system for selecting the order and such...

Oh, and the judges in these two matches are yourself, (DigiMark) xmarksthespot, (whore) LethalFemme, and newjak. All 3 of the others PMed me back and agreed to judge, so I'd hope they show up...

I'm here ive just been reading 😄