Sliverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 1, Fight 1- long pig vs. Blair Wind

this one is giving me a headache . . .

like lp, i've read some (not ALL) animal man. as far as i can see everything lp has said as regards him is legal. one thing i immediately DIDN'T like from blair (right off the bat) was how wendigo, bored, started creating clones of himself. he's a beast, with animalistic intelligence. he doesn't get 'bored' and clone himself. 'fraid i had trouble with that notion all the way through.

like digi, i'm not too keen on the whole infinite loop potential that has been opened up. seems there MUST be a limit . . . i mean this:

<<I take Wendigos power, make up to 1000 copies. 999 of them can be used to copy Powerhouse, Crystal, Speefreak, and Radiactive Man. One of them however drops is connection to the MM power, through the original. After it does that it then takes from the start Wendigos powers to be able to fully utilize his power. The process goes on from there and starts when the first gravity field slows down the incoming attackers.>>

to quoth ill: holy sh**!!

i don't know, just seems like an abuse of the power -- no offense blair. i just can't help the feeling that in a comicbook the character wouldn't/couldn't perform an action like this.

lastly -- people keep using my words to harm lp's chances. while it is true crystal HAS affected the inside of sue's force field, that may or may NOT have a direct bearing in this fight. i'd have to go through my avengers issues to see how she's done against more 'classical' style force fields. i'm not saying she CAN'T do this to im, only that we can't automatically assume she CAN just because she can affect sue . . .

whew.

criminy, these opening round matches are TOUGH!!

Originally posted by Dizzle
I didn't think Multiple Man's powers actually created perfect copies of himself. That is, I thought they took only his physical aspects, but not his duplicating powers. Technically, his infinite loop thing should be legal

Look, Super-Adaptoid, Amazo and co got banned because they can use everyone's powers at once...... why should Duplicate Boy be allowed to do that then?

And has Long Pig shown a scan where animal man uses duplication, combined with other powers as well, yet?

The one scan I remember showed duplication but no enhanced durability (as one of the A-Men gets slashed open)

(at least i'm not taking sides with my annoying pickiness .... 😛 )

I think blair wins this

Originally posted by Scoobless
Look, Super-Adaptoid, Amazo and co got banned because they can use everyone's powers at once...... why should Duplicate Boy be allowed to do that then?

he isn't using them all at once one guy sustaines the duplication while the others drop their power in favor of someone elses.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
he isn't using them all at once one guy sustaines the duplication while the others drop their power in favor of someone elses.

but how can a duplicate exist without the use of the duplication power?

if a duplicate uses a power other than duplication then the core character is using two powers at once

as of now, i'd give this confusing mess to lp.

Leo, in part, quelled my unrest about the validity of Animal Man doing everything LP has him doing.

I'm making my vote now...(though it's certainly open to change)...

The only way I could make a reasonable vote was by agreeing in my mind that the duplicate situation made the teams roughly equal, then looking for other advantages/disadvantages.

Lp has the advantage of AM being very familiar with what he's doing, both with duplication and other powers. Duplicate Boy, on the other hand, does not have experience with the powers he'll be copying. The theories surrounding the DB infinite loop strategy are great, but I'm looking at what would be more likely to happen in an actual fight...cutting through the theory non-sense to see what would actually happen.

Once the fight starts, the duplicating stuff would be put on hold while both teams fought for their lives. And with plenty of fliers and Speedfreek, that won't take long to happen. And LP's strategy, other than the AM stuff, is much more straight-forward, and more likely to work. Iron Man blasts, Radiation Dude melts, and Speedfreek runs around killing things. Most of Blair's plans involve too many if's, and would take a bit more luck and/or planning to pull off. He also hasn't respected Iron Man 2020 at all. I don't think IM would be a huge factor, but the fact that Blair has offered nothing but a one-line air explosion technique to beat him doesn't sit well with me.

Blair's team almost certainly has more (theoretical) potential, but I'd give the win to LP.

Congrats LP, you have my vote. If Blair offers new stuff that sways me, I retain the right to change. Great job to both.

-DM

<<Blair's team almost certainly has more (theoretical) potential, but I'd give the win to LP.>>

that was almost perfectly said, digi. 😉

no wonder you're a mod. 😄

Originally posted by leonidas

that was almost perfectly said, digi. 😉

no wonder you're a mod. 😄

That's why they pay me the big bucks. 😄

...waitaminute... 😕 where's my paycheck? Damnit!

Actually, though, this has to be the worst match to be an official judge for. But I did my homework so it would mean something (I made a flow chart for this macth in one of my notebooks...lol). Thank goodness one of these duplicating losers will be gone after this. 😉

I here by renounce the use of Duplication for further matches!

Cuz, it's stupid, nearly illegal and hard to keep up with. No more duplication on my part.

^^ No worries LP. 🙂 Gotta do what you gotta do to win, though I'm sure whoever the judges are will be happy.

...if you win, that is....

Originally posted by long pig
I here by renounce the use of Duplication for further matches!

Cuz, it's stupid, nearly illegal and hard to keep up with. No more duplication on my part.

If you and BW can agree to that and restart this match with a no dupes rule i'll respect both of you for it

🙂

The whole Dupe thing seems to be clearly against the most basic rule of the tourney (4 Vs 4) and i have no intention of voting in this match as it is

🙁

Meh, it's legal but not fun against someone who can't duplicate. Whoever wins this match, will probably win the tourney just because of the duplication.
If I were to duplicate, it wouldn't be more than one extra or something. It's just lame after a while. I dunno.

maybe we can arrange a vote on no duplication (for future matches i mean.... this ones obviously gone too far with it to stop now)

Originally posted by Scoobless
maybe we can arrange a vote on no duplication (for future matches i mean.... this ones obviously gone too far with it to stop now)

Originally posted by illadelph12
Question for Blair:

Does Duplicate Boy have to touch a person he copies, or simply be in their vicinity? Also, can he copy the powers of a person while they are employing their abilities?

And for Long Pig:

Does Speedfreek have a healing factor or superhuman strength/durability, or is he just a normal human in an armored suit? Does the suit employ any kind of anti-gravity technology or energy dampening equipment, or is it simply built for speed and durability? Also, has he taken his drugs before combat?

vicinity and yes he can copy powers at any point.

SpeedFreek needs to come back! That guy was awesome!

Originally posted by long pig
SpeedFreek needs to come back! That guy was awesome!

how many comics did he appear in?

Originally posted by Scoobless
how many comics did he appear in?

I remember one with skinny speedfreak and one with bulked speedfreak, so I have seen him twice!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I remember one with skinny speedfreak and one with bulked speedfreak, so I have seen him twice!

just had a check.... apparently he was in these three issues:

Incredible Hulk II#388 (December, 1991)
Incredible Hulk II#429 (May, 1995)
Incredible Hulk II#430 (June, 1995)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/speedfreek.htm