Sliverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 1, Fight 1- long pig vs. Blair Wind

first off it wouldnt be wise to use radiation attacks considering that your using your on men to fight me, the intermixing would hurt them too, plus my powerhouse can survive in radiation, its a form of energy, and even if thats a loose term, the last bio states that he is ok in it.

You forget that RM shoots out condensed hard radiation, which won't hit anything but his target.

two crystal can create varouis tornados which would reak havoc on your army, a tornado is still a force to be reckoned with, add some fire?
fried animal men

three if you want my "time machine" its called gravity, im making the attraction between you and the earth and increasing the attraction, in effect making you slower, and with the anti grav sheilds makes me faster. This most effects Speedfreak, not letting him get to me before I can analyze the situation.

And all the Animal Men coming at you, you'll overload your power before you can stop them all.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And what's the ruling on Blair's idea for Duplicate Lad (or whatever-the-hell) with duplicating Wendigo, then ditching him in all but one and copying others??

If you think about it, he might be able to create some sort of infinite loop where he keeps doing that with the other duplicates until there's millions of DB's....not trying to help Blair, but it seemed like a rather glaring loophole. Still, he'd probably reach a limit long before that.

It IS quite a loophole. I'm torn, really. I didn't think Multiple Man's powers actually created perfect copies of himself. That is, I thought they took only his physical aspects, but not his duplicating powers. Technically, his infinite loop thing should be legal, but I don't know if his dupes would actually be able to steal powers themselves, or if they'd simply be normal humans that look like Duplicate Boy. If he can prove that the dupes WOULD be able to take powers and be exactly like normal DB, he's technically legal, as that IS a slightly extended version of what LP's doing with Animal Man. (though even that's now being put into question)

If you can prove that DB's clones would retain his powers other than physical aspects, (specifically that Madrox's powers do that) it's good. If they can't, you aren't allowed to say they can, now are you.

❌ you dont understand do you? Im not using person per person gravity fields, just imagine one big sphere. Once you enter that sphere there is a certain gravitational pull downwards, and it doesnt matter how many people are in that sphere it just has that effect. You get that? Ths gives DB the time he needs to win the day.

Ironman is still no problem too me, Crystal makes oxygen explode in his face considering that it is NOT an energy attack in the way that a laser beam is.

now all the AM guys are forced down through gravity, RM's blast may go through (and my Powerhouse can absorb those blasts, and hard radiation can still be dodged.) but he himself has mass great enough to hold down.

how fast can SP go with his jets?

Other than that Crystals tornados serve as the factor to take down multiple enemies, plus with fire, or earth or even waterstorms their effects are profound.

All this adds up in my victory.

Originally posted by Dizzle
It IS quite a loophole. I'm torn, really. I didn't think Multiple Man's powers actually created perfect copies of himself. That is, I thought they took only his physical aspects, but not his duplicating powers. Technically, his infinite loop thing should be legal, but I don't know if his dupes would actually be able to steal powers themselves, or if they'd simply be normal humans that look like Duplicate Boy. If he can prove that the dupes WOULD be able to take powers and be exactly like normal DB, he's technically legal, as that IS a slightly extended version of what LP's doing with Animal Man. (though even that's now being put into question)

If you can prove that DB's clones would retain his powers other than physical aspects, (specifically that Madrox's powers do that) it's good. If they can't, you aren't allowed to say they can, now are you.

that's the exact thing im having a problem with cause they're both somewhat relying on the same strategy as far as AM and MM are involved good idea to make LP and BW fight one another lol

Originally posted by Dizzle
It IS quite a loophole. I'm torn, really. I didn't think Multiple Man's powers actually created perfect copies of himself. That is, I thought they took only his physical aspects, but not his duplicating powers. Technically, his infinite loop thing should be legal, but I don't know if his dupes would actually be able to steal powers themselves, or if they'd simply be normal humans that look like Duplicate Boy. If he can prove that the dupes WOULD be able to take powers and be exactly like normal DB, he's technically legal, as that IS a slightly extended version of what LP's doing with Animal Man. (though even that's now being put into question)

If you can prove that DB's clones would retain his powers other than physical aspects, (specifically that Madrox's powers do that) it's good. If they can't, you aren't allowed to say they can, now are you.

so all I have to prove is that dupes can make dupes? easy. Ill go see what I can find

Originally posted by LethalFemme
that's the exact thing im having a problem with cause they're both somewhat relying on the same strategy as far as AM and MM are involved good idea to make LP and BW fight one another lol

Didn't even plan it... The thing was as random a system as I could think of, and it STILL paired up these two. I'm just amazing. Or Hitler. hitler

Ironman is still no problem too me, Crystal makes oxygen explode in his face considering that it is NOT an energy attack in the way that a laser beam is.

now all the AM guys are forced down through gravity

How many times are you going to switch plans and tactics before you find one that will work? You're on your fourth plan right now.

how fast can SP go with his jets?

You don't have the time or the power or the skills to defeat a team so vastly superior.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Didn't even plan it... The thing was as random a system as I could think of, and it STILL paired up these two. I'm just amazing. Or Hitler. hitler

really? lol

gravity is still gravity, the moments that it takes to do this are like nothing to be able to reach me. Even if my gravity wont hold you forever it WILL hold you down and it WILL take you time to adjust. Plus your AM guys, or anyone else for that matter wont know about the field until its already too late. It give me the time to make my duplicates, who in turn take other powers, and slaughter your team.

to Dizzle: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=92&page=3

shows that his dupe can create dupes

Iron mans shields mean nothing to this type of attack
as X already pointed out what Ive been saying:

I wouldn't consider combustion via control of oxygen molecules to be a classical energy attack. There's no direct contact between the controlled/attack and the controller. As you said the "power negating field" is limited to classical energy attacks - something akin to laser beams, an attack from someone like Bishop, Havok or Dazzler - and isn't actually a power-nullifying field, which would be required to actually prevent something like Human Torch raising temperature, Iceman lowering temperature, Magma controlling magma inside it (if it was large and had magma inside it), Red Tornado (or Crystal) controlling the air.

leonidas said she's affected the air inside of the Invisible Woman's forcefield before - are your forcefields stronger than hers?

Heh... I was under the impression that they wouldn't, as I've seen them get hit without copying. Whatevah. Stupid plot holes.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Heh... I was under the impression that they wouldn't, as I've seen them get hit without copying. Whatevah. Stupid plot holes.

this is gonna take a while thanx Dizzy 😛 lol

sorry but at this point, i have to vote for long pig

Originally posted by DigiMark007

If you think about it, he might be able to create some sort of infinite loop where he keeps doing that with the other duplicates until there's millions of DB's....not trying to help Blair, but it seemed like a rather glaring loophole. Still, he'd probably reach a limit long before that.

not really, comics have shown that he can go pretty far, and sometime inconsistent as to the dupe making dupe thing, however since it has been proven that a dupe CAN make a dupe and my Wendigos duping ability is MUCH better than the cannon MM of that time I should be able to make LOTS of characters. Now if I leave the original and one more DB with the MM powers, once DB reaches HIS limit, the other DB could make more DB's considering that they would be based on his own seperate body. Really I could continue this process while my characters fight with all the abilities that I have already mentioned they get.

and all of this can happen because Gravity WILL slow them down at least for the few moments needed to start the process.

the sphere my gravity covers is NOT a man to man thing, its just simply a sphere and once inside my field you are subject to the gravity setting I place. Once I have 100+ Powerhouses there is no way Lp's characters can get me, considering the tornados that I will have, the radiation I will be throwing and the speed I will be acheiving.

^^ just to once again clarify what Im doing with DB:
I take Wendigos power, make up to 1000 copies. 999 of them can be used to copy Powerhouse, Crystal, Speefreak, and Radiactive Man. One of them however drops is connection to the MM power, through the original. After it does that it then takes from the start Wendigos powers to be able to fully utilize his power. The process goes on from there and starts when the first gravity field slows down the incoming attackers. 😄

😱

Holy sh*t.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
^^ just to once again clarify what Im doing with DB:
I take Wendigos power, make up to 1000 copies. 999 of them can be used to copy Powerhouse, Crystal, Speefreak, and Radiactive Man. One of them however drops is connection to the MM power, through the original. After it does that it then takes from the start Wendigos powers to be able to fully utilize his power. The process goes on from there and starts when the first gravity field slows down the incoming attackers. 😄

Originally posted by Dizzle
It IS quite a loophole. I'm torn, really. I didn't think Multiple Man's powers actually created perfect copies of himself. That is, I thought they took only his physical aspects, but not his duplicating powers. Technically, his infinite loop thing should be legal, but I don't know if his dupes would actually be able to steal powers themselves, or if they'd simply be normal humans that look like Duplicate Boy. If he can prove that the dupes WOULD be able to take powers and be exactly like normal DB, he's technically legal, as that IS a slightly extended version of what LP's doing with Animal Man. (though even that's now being put into question)

If you can prove that DB's clones would retain his powers other than physical aspects, (specifically that Madrox's powers do that) it's good. If they can't, you aren't allowed to say they can, now are you.

eh, hitting yourself and having your dupes hit yourself to create more dupes takes waaaaaaay less than an hour. By the time your team manages to come towards my team, I will have plenty of offensive juggernauts to be able to overrun you with. Dont overestimate your teams ability to get to me (oh they will get to me, but by then it will be too late, and they will be driven backwards) and really you shouldnt understimate the fact that my gravity field WILL hold you down for a little bit, you cant just say and make it proof that your characters are just gonna walk into my field and simply walk unfazed ❌ doenst work like that.

plus you have avoided the question a second time:

I wouldn't consider combustion via control of oxygen molecules to be a classical energy attack. There's no direct contact between the controlled/attack and the controller. As you said the "power negating field" is limited to classical energy attacks - something akin to laser beams, an attack from someone like Bishop, Havok or Dazzler - and isn't actually a power-nullifying field, which would be required to actually prevent something like Human Torch raising temperature, Iceman lowering temperature, Magma controlling magma inside it (if it was large and had magma inside it), Red Tornado (or Crystal) controlling the air.

leonidas said she's affected the air inside of the Invisible Woman's forcefield before - are your forcefields stronger than hers?

Question for Blair:

Does Duplicate Boy have to touch a person he copies, or simply be in their vicinity? Also, can he copy the powers of a person while they are employing their abilities?

And for Long Pig:

Does Speedfreek have a healing factor or superhuman strength/durability, or is he just a normal human in an armored suit? Does the suit employ any kind of anti-gravity technology or energy dampening equipment, or is it simply built for speed and durability? Also, has he taken his drugs before combat?

I...don't know whom to vote...

This is pretty even match.