To be honest, Marvel never quantified whether it's line of site or omnidirectional pulse, but on numerous occasions she's used her ability to subdue opponents (X-Men) while they were engaged with her teammates in her line of fire and they were not effected. She's also taken down large groups of opponents (most recently the Avengers).
I'll provide scans ASAP.
Originally posted by grey fox
Question : With all these fires your setting and smoke thats pouring out shouldn't karate kid be dead by now ? The average human cant stand in a smoke filled room for a few minutes without succumbing , KK should be dead by nowAlso smoky the bear would have kicked you ass by now illadeph......
Once he takes in a breath, he's probably K.O'd. Not a good strategy at all 🙁 ❌
Originally posted by grey fox
Question : With all these fires your setting and smoke thats pouring out shouldn't karate kid be dead by now ? The average human cant stand in a smoke filled room for a few minutes without succumbing , KK should be dead by nowAlso smoky the bear would have kicked you ass by now illadeph......
Originally posted by long pig
KK is vulnerable to gases, he can hold his breath for up to 10 minutes, though so he may be able to run through it. But, fighting while holding your breath ain't happening.Once he takes in a breath, he's probably K.O'd. Not a good strategy at all 🙁 ❌
KK has a Legion flight ring, is a peak human specimen, and he and Gamora are advanced of Monolith's position. If KK needs to fly up and take a gasp of fresh air, he's more than capable of doing so.
(Oh, and Long Pig, it's not going to work. I see what you're trying to do. I'll see you in round 2).
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ill, are you sure she's capable of both 180 degree attack and at a range of 1000 yards simultaneously. Is the effect less the further they are from her?Edit: Also in that New Avengers the group she's affecting is relatively bunched up... so doesn't really equate to omnidirectional.
I know, that's why I said:
Originally posted by illadelph12
To be honest, Marvel never quantified whether it's line of site or omnidirectional pulse, but on numerous occasions she's used her ability to subdue opponents (X-Men) while they were engaged with her teammates in her line of fire and they were not effected. She's also taken down large groups of opponents (most recently the Avengers).I'll provide scans ASAP.
I'll provide scans soon.
Here's a scan of Vertigo downing Rogue as she tries to escape via flight with Sage. Vertigo is able to take her down at a relative distance (again, not quantified, but the depiction of Rogue and Sage as a distant silhouette makes it seem like they've travelled a good distance).
Also note Rogue is more durable than three of my opponent's teammates.
Originally posted by illadelph12
With the hour of prep my team devises this plan:At the onset of battle Monolith emits a heat blast which sets a large portion of the surrounding forest ablaze, serving two puposes:
1) Blanketing the forest battlefield in thick smoke. This inhibits the visibility of all combatants on the battlefield, mine included, but Gamora, Karate Kid, and Vertigo do not need to see to be effective (however, Thing, Agent Zero, and Blitzkrieg, particularly, do).
2) Limitting the amount of directions you can attack from, and rendering your ability to flank me disabled..
1) I am afraid that Blitzkrieg is able to do this:
“By spinning electrically charged particles in a tight circle he can create a wind of near-tornado velocity.”
So, without much of an effort, Blitzkrieg creates a wind that immediately clears out all the smoke away, and gives my team visibility. He will then direct all the smoke back to your team, rendering your smoke attack useless.
2) Blitzkrieg’s wind takes this option away too.
Also, how can Vertigo do anything without eyesight? Won’t she bump in trees and such?
Originally posted by illadelph12
Simultaneously, Vertigo emits her pulse in the general direction of your forces (being as we are 1,000 yards [3000 feet] apart and know which direction the enemy is). Vertigo's pulse is emitted in a 180 degree wave, and she can emit it so that it will not effect her own allies (which I can display if needed). Being as every member of your team is humanoid and has functioning mechanoreceptors:and auditory nodes (basically, none of them are deaf), they'll all be effected. The effect of this pulse is severe disorientation, and possible loss of conciousness due to prolonged exposure.
You have also forgotten that Blitzkrieg can, once again spin the particles in the air and create a wind that greatly lessens your attacks effect. He is already doing this because he is directing the smoke away. And since it’s already weak because of the distance it has to travel, it doesn’t cause anything else then mild discomfort to my team. The attack from Vertigo, however, has revealed your team’s generic location, and so, Blitzkrieg will send a valley of lighting bolts towards your team, setting everything on fire and limiting your teams movements and they have to be careful so they wouldn’t be hit by lightning.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, Gamora is the deadliest assassin in the Galaxy.Literally.
She was trained (and artificially enhanced) by Thanos to be the ultimate killing machine, to be used as the ultimate weapon against The Magus (Adam Warlock). She's singlehandedly taken down entire squadrons of The Magus's Black Knight Special Forces. Agent Zero, your best and most versitile asset in this battle, is severely outclassed. Even with his vibranium armor and adamantium bullets, he's outclassed.
And that's only Gamora.
However, how trained Gamora is, Agent Zero has other advantages. Firstly, Agent Zero can load himself full of kinetic energy during prep time (have Thing to hit him) making each of his hits about ten times more powerful. Every hit would be about Class 10. And every hit Gamora makes is rendered absolutely useless, since the vibranium armor takes away ALL kinetic energy. No punches, no kicks. It simply saps all the momentum. Now, the fight itself – all the attacks of Gamora would be ineffective, while meanwhile Agent Zero can fire adamantium bullets at her, release blasts of destructive energy from his plasma guns or corrosive acid from his hands (which melts through steel with ease). He also has adamantium knife for close combat. He is silent enough to sneak up to Sabretooth and slit his throat and he is fast enough to grab Marrows claws (while she was lunging at him) without hurting himself.
Gamora isn’t the only one who is enhanced. And Agent Zero will be the one who is doing the surprise attacks. There is no way for Gamora to hear, see or smell him. Before it’s too late, that is. Gamora is the ultimate killing machine, but Agent Zero is the ultimate stealth machine. When Sabretooth with his enhanced senses wasn’t able to pick up anything when Zero was straight behind him, what hope does Gamora have?
Now, what if Karnak would face Gamora? Karnak is better then everything then Captain America. This most likely includes fighting skills, because Karnak has been trained for his entire life – all his skills are result of extreme training. I don’t think that Gamora is superhumanly strong (if you have any proof, you can show it). Karnak can lift about one ton. Nor is she greatly faster then Karnak (Who can move well beyond the speed that human eye can follow).
Karnak is most likely physically tougher; his training has made his body very durable. He is very agile, and can put his body in positions that normal humans aren’t capable of doing. I would say that Karnak exceeds him in strength and toughness, but Gamora is faster and more agile. But all Karnak needs is one strike. He can shatter diamond with one hit. Make marble collapse with a touch. With one simple move, he could collapse the entire skeletal structure of Gamora. Gamora has superior training, yes, but Karnak has superhuman powers and he can sense weak points in everything. Like he has said, everything has a weak point (Even Vision – while he is intangible).
Karnak can also control his reaction to pain, his bleeding, and his rate of healing completely. So he won’t feel anything if Gamora hurts him, won’t bleed to death if she stabs him with her knife, and heal from damage faster then normally. These are just few of the advantages that give him a win.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Blitzkrieg can't use his lightning abilities without a target in line of site, as well as his senses being disoriented by Vertigo. 👇
Vertigo’s attacks have been rendered useless a while ago. She is either killed by lighting volley from Blitzkrieg or assassinated by Zero, who her powers have no effect. 👇
Originally posted by illadelph12
[B]
Agent Zero's weapons won't be of much use in the smoke and heat. His thermal scopes will be disrupted due to all of the heat being generated by Living Monolith and the flames, and the smoke won't give him a clear shot [his vibranium armor should protect him from Vertigo, however]. 👇[B]
All the smoke has been directed away by Blitzkrieg. One adamantium bullet would take out Living Monolith (they go through osmium steel with ease). And with Vertigo, well, because of vibranium, it would be the same then Agent Zero fighting a moderately trained woman. Vertigo goes down. 👇
Originally posted by illadelph12
[B]
Karnak is highly skilled, but not highly durable, nor can he fly. Karate Kid has him bested in all regards.[B]
No matter what skills Karate Kid has, he is normal human. He can shatter everything with one touch. Karnak can do the same with greater skill and experience. That’s where it ends. Karate Kid has trained strength of an 18-year old; Karnak is able to lift probably twice as much. He’s fast, Karnak is superhumanly fast. Karnak has the advantage of his Inhuman heritage, which makes him better then normal human in every possible sense. And he is more experienced then Karate Kid.
Karnak will defeat the Karate Kid.
Rest of your options are rendered ineffective because Blitzkrieg can negate the attack of Vertigo, redirect the smoke and heat away, and give the surprise advantage back to my team.
Living Monolith and Vertigo are killed by Agent Zero.
Gamora is either taken down by Karnak or Agent Zero. Or Blitzkrieg.
Karate Kid is either taken down by Karnak or Blitzkrieg. Neither he nor Gamora can dodge his lightning. And Blitzkrieg can either fly up to the sky, or make tornado around himself to protect himself from upcoming attacks.
Your team is defeated.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Here's Vertigo downing Wolverine, Ironman, Spiderman, Captain America, etc.As X mentioned, they were bunched together.
Why in the hell is Captain America resisting it longest? 😂
And please, if you still can, edit out the picture...the thread has been made unreadable by too large pics...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why in the hell is Captain America resisting it longest? 😂
all their powers ere nullified before Vertigo attacked... Stark's armour was shut down, Spidey's webs wouldn't even fire... so Cap would've been least disoriented by power loss (as he has no power)
i'm sure if they had there powers she wouldn't have been much of a problem
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
1)Now, what if Karnak would face Gamora? Karnak is better then everything then Captain America. This most likely includes fighting skills, because Karnak has been trained for his entire life – all his skills are result of extreme training. I don’t think that Gamora is superhumanly strong (if you have any proof, you can show it). Karnak can lift about one ton. Nor is she greatly faster then Karnak (Who can move well beyond the speed that human eye can follow).
Karnak is most likely physically tougher; his training has made his body very durable. He is very agile, and can put his body in positions that normal humans aren’t capable of doing. I would say that Karnak exceeds him in strength and toughness, but Gamora is faster and more agile. But all Karnak needs is one strike. He can shatter diamond with one hit. Make marble collapse with a touch. With one simple move, he could collapse the entire skeletal structure of Gamora. Gamora has superior training, yes, but Karnak has superhuman powers and he can sense weak points in everything. Like he has said, everything has a weak point (Even Vision – while he is intangible).
Karnak can also control his reaction to pain, his bleeding, and his rate of healing completely. So he won’t feel anything if Gamora hurts him, won’t bleed to death if she stabs him with her knife, and heal from damage faster then normally. These are just few of the advantages that give him a win.
Vertigo’s attacks have been rendered useless a while ago. She is either killed by lighting volley from Blitzkrieg or assassinated by Zero, who her powers have no effect. 👇
All the smoke has been directed away by Blitzkrieg. One adamantium bullet would take out Living Monolith (they go through osmium steel with ease). And with Vertigo, well, because of vibranium, it would be the same then Agent Zero fighting a moderately trained woman. Vertigo goes down. 👇
No matter what skills Karate Kid has, he is normal human. He can shatter everything with one touch. Karnak can do the same with greater skill and experience. That’s where it ends. Karate Kid has trained strength of an 18-year old; Karnak is able to lift probably twice as much. He’s fast, Karnak is superhumanly fast. Karnak has the advantage of his Inhuman heritage, which makes him better then normal human in every possible sense. And he is more experienced then Karate Kid.
Karnak will defeat the Karate Kid.
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Darkcrawler is right their , Karnak is insanely skilled , more-so then Karate kid . I give this to DC.....
Nice retort DC.
But again, inconsequential.
1) I am afraid that Blitzkrieg is able to do this:“By spinning electrically charged particles in a tight circle he can create a wind of near-tornado velocity.”
So, without much of an effort, Blitzkrieg creates a wind that immediately clears out all the smoke away, and gives my team visibility. He will then direct all the smoke back to your team, rendering your smoke attack useless.
2) Blitzkrieg’s wind takes this option away too.
👇
Firstly:
This would not only give away your position, but also hinder your ability to fly, as this is the manner in which Blitzkrieg achieves flight.
Not the best of tactics.
Monolith could down Blitzkrieg, in his now apparent and given away position, with either a heat blast or a concussive force blast as Karate Kid takes Vertigo airborne (KKs flight ring affords him flight in excess of the velocity of your 140 mph winds) to rain her pulse down on your now obvious position. Not to mention the fact that such extreme forces of wind in a dense forest (that is on fire) would kick up immense amounts of dust, dirt, loose leaves, weak branches, topple weak and dying trees, and send airborne and other folliage in the vicinity, as well as hinder your own teammates mobility, save Thing, for none of them are affixed to the ground or weigh a significant amount of pounds to not be affected by gail force winds. You've not only just made visibility worse, on top of that, you've hindered Agent X(your best asset)'s visibilty with all of the debris flying through the air, as well as the force of the wind effecting the accuracy of his shots by altering the trajectory of his rounds, not to mention the electromagnetic field Blitzkrieg would need to create to generate such a vortex would be drawing in anything metalic in his proximity, also throwing off the trajectory of Agent X's bullets (and effecting his mobility within a metal suit of armor). 👇
Secondly, Gamora was artificially enhanced in strength, speed, endurance, agility, etc. by Thanos to a signifigant degree to make her the ultimate living weapon, and she was trained to sneak up and assassinate telepaths, and The Magus (Adam Warlock), who has an affinity for souls. Agent X is not the Head Mutant In Charge of the stealth game. Not by a long shot. And he's also no where near as agile, trained, or adept as Gamora, technological assistance included.
Also, she's taken your boy Thing, who's mobility is not up to par, out in one move on a previous occasion, so deja vu is the phrase of the day for the Blue Eyed Brooklynite.
Karnak can also control his reaction to pain, his bleeding, and his rate of healing completely. So he won’t feel anything if Gamora hurts him, won’t bleed to death if she stabs him with her knife, and heal from damage faster then normally. These are just few of the advantages that give him a win.
Karnak is good, but Vertigo's pulse trained on him (now that Blitzkrieg's folly has given away your team's postion) will hinder his abilities, if not render him unconscious. Karnak can control his respitory system and his cardiovascular system, and he can control his tolerance for pain (as can KK), but he can not control his senses to the degree to shut off a portion of his cerrebelum and render his mechanoreceptors inoperative. He can't force himself to go deaf, and he can't turn off his inner ear or operate without his sense of balance. 👇
Agent Zero is your best weapon, and he can be dealt with by Monolith. After dispatching Blitzkrieg (for making the mistake of giving away your position in the first place [jabroni]), Monolith can just go apeshit and engulf the forest in wave after wave of heat blasts and incinerate everything in sight, including the incapacitated Karnak and Blitzkrieg, via Vertigo and
1)Gamora's blade.
2)KK's fists.
3)Falling redwood trees while they are disoriented and incapacitated by Vertigo.
Agent Zero won't be able to get a good shot with all of the heat, smoke, burning trees collapsing all about, wind swept tree branches, leaves, dirt, etc., as well as his air supply being constantly taken away in a suffocating blanket of fire and smoldering debris. Not to mention, blindly firing off rounds of ammo and corrosives in a burning forest full of large trees that can fall on you isn't the most intelligent thing to do. Do you know what happens when you super heat acid?
Couple that with the fact that Agent Zero must release his pent up kinetic energy in the form of the corrosive, the strength he gained from Thing punching him will dissipate shortly thereafter. He can't store it for extended periods of time, meaning he can't exponentially increase his base strength infinitely.
Gamora, KK, and Vertigo can take up a safe position via flight (Legion of Super Heroes Flight ring) and covered by the smoke, but A-X is grounded, blinded, and choking, up against an angry walking organic granite Egyptian statue in a smoldering inferno.
Agent X dies or is rendered unconscious via exfixiation, gasping for air in a smoke and dust filled forest, and being cooked alive in a metal suit of armor that conducts heat like an oven and causes him severe heatstroke.
He should have told the Weapon X program to give him a healing factor.
All he has is stamina and age retardation.
Case in point. 👇
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why in the hell is Captain America resisting it longest? 😂And please, if you still can, edit out the picture...the thread has been made unreadable by too large pics...
Sorry about the size of the scans. It's too late for me to edit them (I'm at work). Maybe Digimark or another admin can.