Originally posted by illadelph12
Didn't seem to stop Shamrock from sneaking up on him.
Actually, Shamrock sneak up on Captain America...and Blitzkrieg wasn't concetrating on sensing the impulses. Shamrock also has that lucky-power of hers (Kind of like Domino or Longshot) so she isn't really a good example.
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And good flight. And good luck.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Actually, Shamrock sneak up on Captain America...and Blitzkrieg wasn't concetrating on sensing the impulses. Shamrock also has that lucky-power of hers (Kind of like Domino or Longshot) so she isn't really a good example.Here:
And good flight. And good luck.
[My last post]
That scan specifically displays Blitzkrieg, with a device in his hand on a ship, stating that he can track electrical impulses, and The Hauptman (the other character next to him) congratulates him for finding the frequency for the Skull's well concealed Homing Device. He's not tracking a bio-electric field, he's tuned in the transmission from a homing device using an instrument on the ship. 👇
As I said before, hollow conjecture. He's not tracking anyone. 👇
[Now, I'm really gone.]
Since Ill's probably going to be gone, now is as good a time as any to place my vote. I think enough arguments have taken place to justify it.
I had really hoped for some one-sided matches to judge for. This has been hard as hell. Great job to both of you...this match was sweet.
So now to my reasoning:
First off, while there's lots of trees, with everyone's powers and abilities, it would be easy enough to survive the smoke. If the blasts hit any of DC's guys, sure they'll be dead (except maybe Thing), but I don't think any of these people are going to be suffocating. Slightly hindered at best, nothing more.
Monolith seems to have the most total power in the fight. Starting there, I had to see if DC made up the difference elsewhere. Absolutely SICK use of Agent Zero, though, by the way. I thought he was totally outclassed here, but you convinced me that your two assasin-types would best Ill's two assasin-types. The stealth would be key...and unless he got hit by a Monolith blast, he won't be baking to death.
Also nice were the retorts to Vertigo's affects. And while I don't think Blitzkrieg would be able to fight it, he has as much chance of hitting her from a distance with lightning as she does of messing him up from that same distance. Then it comes down to "Can Thing and one or two of DC's teammates (probably Zero and Blitz) take out Monolith??" I think yes.
I vote DC. Congrats to both...this fight kicked a lot of ass. If compelling new evidence if shown, I retain the right to change.
-DM
Originally posted by illadelph12
[My last post]That scan specifically displays Blitzkrieg, with a device in his hand on a ship, stating that he can track electical impulses, and The Hauptman (the other character next to him) congratulates him for finding the frequency for the Skull's well concealed [b]Homing Device
. He's not tracking a bio-electric field, he's tuned in the transmission from a homing device using an instrument on the ship. 👇As I said before, hollow conjecture. He's not tracking anyone. 👇
[Now, I'm really gone.] [/B]
Sensetivity to electrical impulses.
I wasn't talking anything about bio-electrical field. I talked about electrical impulses. Brain sends messages to nerves using them.
Hauptmann also didn't know that there was device on the ship, he had anticipated it. And it's not a device on Blitzkrieg's hands, he is piloting the plane...
In what?
It takes minutes for the smoke to reach my team.
Vertigo has to see my team to affect them. Blitzkrieg can track her and Karate Kid in the sky and shoot them without the two even seeing him.
Karate Kid and Vertigo can always stay down, but then Vertigo will die in the fire and smoke, which gives Blitzkrieg a prefect chance to go to the sky (as Karate Kid is not fast enough to get to him before he is shot down by a lighting bolt that can't be dodged) and there is not Vertigo to stop him.
Of course, they can choose to not set the forest on fire, but then my orginal solution remains and they are taken down by Agent Zero who can't be heard, seen or smelled. Or Blitzkrieg can rain lightning at them from above.
If Vertigo, their greatest asset, stays on ground, he is killed by fire and smoke. If she is taken above to the sky, she is shot down by lightning. If she moves in the forest that is not in fire, Agent Zero will take her down. When Vertigo is down, the next threat is Monolith, who also has no way of preventing Agent Zero of assassinating him Monolith isn't actually known for his great senses, while Agent Zero is master of stealth:
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Adamantium bullets will take Monolith down. After that, Gamora and Karate Kid are turned into barbeque by Blitzkrieg.
The other team doesn't have a way to avoid being killed.
the whole strategy of setting the forest on fire still doesn't sit well with me, ill. you seem to be saying that the smoke will hinder everyone. true, but the blaze would very quickly surround EVERYONE. the heat within forest fires gets EXTREME to be kind. for most of either of the teams to survive they would need to end things quick. and you're 1000 yards, not 3000 . . .
this is what i see happening based on what i've read:
fire starts and very quickly becomes unmanageable threatening to actually cut the 2 teams off. (the path of a forest fire cannot really be predicted, especially as no wind directions have been specified). so, who can operate best in the smoke and heat of the fire? monolith certainly. kk can fly ABOVE the forest but he'd need to go well above. i think people keep underestimating the impact the fire would have. red woods are BIG . . . still, i think ill's strategy of going around and through the trees with vert and kk could work because covering 1000 yards would be pretty easy to do before things got TOO out of hand with the fire . . . i also think it WOULD be hard for blitz to get clear shots at them through the trees. once vert is close, she can work her powers to down blitz who it seems is busy trying to clear smoke away while trees are blocking him and the forest remains on fire . . . (sorry dc, while the general idea was decent, i don't think it was -- practically speaking -- a feasible ploy). once blitz is down, the numbers (and imo the skill of the characters) really shifts to ill. again, the fire would make it hard to win this and not get himself killed, but allowing for the fact that he could, i'd give it to ill.
as far as your rebuttal, dc: the smoke would likely get to you in sooner than 5 minutes, though i suppose it depends on WHERE exactly monolith aimed his blasts. he can likely shoot them 1000 yards, but ill didn't really specify. still, fire spreads very fast and he did say he was surrounding the battle field . . .
<<Bitlzkrieg doesn't have to worry about the smoke for minutes. While he can track the electrical impulses the bodies of Vertigo and Karate Kid send, and shoot them down.>>
i'm not buying this. there is no evidence that he can detect impulses as faint as the ones given off in the brain -- especially over the distances we're talking and while he is distracted.
<<Your team doesn't know where my team is, therefore making Vertigos power useless.>>
general direction of teams was known at the start.
<<Blitzkrieg can track every member of your team down.
Your team has no way of avoiding Blitzkrieg's attacks. Your team has no way of avoiding Blitzkrieg's attacks. >>
no proof he can track and the trees would provide good cover and make hitting them very tough. if he even sees them coming BEFORE vertigo strikes. (which i personally don't think is likely -- they can use trees as cover long enough to get in range for vert's powers to work on blitz)
<<Vertigo's attacks only work from reasonably close range, and to get close, she needs to know where my team is. And she will be taken down far before she can do anything.>.
i explained how she could get close enough already . . .
<<Monolith has no defense against adamantium bullets, nor is he able to dodge them while Thing is pounding on him.
Agent Zero has lots and lots of adamantium bullets.
My team wins.>>
monolith dies, i don't doubt it. but then vert and kk come from behind and fell x and ben, or gamora is waiting for them and deals with them.
sorry dc, i think you put up a valiant fight, but i just don't see it. i'm afraid, my friend, i'm still sticking with ill . . . 🙁
Originally posted by leonidas
sorry for the lengthy post. i just wanted to clearly outline what i see as happening and WHY i voted as i did . . .
hey man... can you do me a favour and learn how to use the quote function..... lol
it'll make your whole post look neater and people will know whose posts you are replying to
tx
🙂
[Ok, good news is I have a computer here in Dallas. Bad news is I won't have all my resources handy. I'm not done arguing my case yet, though. I should have some free time in the evenings, and I'll see what I can do.]
DC, there's a huge degree of separation from detecting the electrical currents of a homing device on the same vessel you're in, and tracking the electrical impulses of the human brain, which are bio-electrical in nature, in a forrest. In that scan, he didn't pinpoint the exact location of the homing device, he simply sensed that there was a device on the ship which was transmitting a signal. You still haven't proven that Blitzkrieg can track a person via the bio-electric current of the human brain, or that Blitzkrieg can pinpoint the exact location of a human brain and attack in this manner.
Adamantium bullets will not kill Living Monolith easily. He's organic granite and highly resistant to injury. He's taken optic blasts, strikes from Mjolnir, plasma blasts from Havok, slashes from Wolverine, and then some, and kept on going. Bullets will not inflict terminal damage on a being of his mass. The bullets still have to pass through his dense hide and skeletal structure to hit anything that would cause a lethal wound. It's going to take a lot of rounds to bring him down, he's going to be fighting back, and he can protect himself by erecting fields of concussive force to deflect the projectiles.
Once I get my footing down here and gather my resources, I will show definitive proof that your team is simply out-classed. To be honest, Gamora or Monolith, alone, could kill your entire roster. Karate Kid has taken down opponents that would eat anyone on your team alive. This really isn't even close.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Adamantium bullets will not kill Living Monolith easily. He's organic granite and highly resistant to injury. He's taken optic blasts, strikes from Mjolnir, plasma blasts from Havok, slashes from Wolverine, and then some, and kept on going.
Um...Wolverine's slashes took half the Thing's face off.... and he's been stabbed by Wolverine recently (enemy of the state)
If Monolith really isn't fazed by those attacks he may be above the durability/killability limit
Originally posted by Scoobless
Um...Wolverine's slashes took half the Thing's face off.... and he's been stabbed by Wolverine recently (enemy of the state)If Monolith really isn't fazed by those attacks he may be above the durability/killability limit
Monolith isn't the only participant in this tournament, let alone this thread (Agent X is wearing vibranium armor) that can take a slash from Wolverine. I'm not worried.
