Originally posted by leonidas
the whole strategy of setting the forest on fire still doesn't sit well with me, ill. you seem to be saying that the smoke will hinder everyone. true, but the blaze would very quickly surround EVERYONE. the heat within forest fires gets EXTREME to be kind. for most of either of the teams to survive they would need to end things quick. and you're 1000 yards, not 3000 . . .this is what i see happening based on what i've read:
fire starts and very quickly becomes unmanageable threatening to actually cut the 2 teams off. (the path of a forest fire cannot really be predicted, especially as no wind directions have been specified). so, who can operate best in the smoke and heat of the fire? monolith certainly. kk can fly ABOVE the forest but he'd need to go well above. i think people keep underestimating the impact the fire would have. red woods are BIG . . . still, i think ill's strategy of going around and through the trees with vert and kk could work because covering 1000 yards would be pretty easy to do before things got TOO out of hand with the fire . . . i also think it WOULD be hard for blitz to get clear shots at them through the trees. once vert is close, she can work her powers to down blitz who it seems is busy trying to clear smoke away while trees are blocking him and the forest remains on fire . . . (sorry dc, while the general idea was decent, i don't think it was -- practically speaking -- a feasible ploy). once blitz is down, the numbers (and imo the skill of the characters) really shifts to ill. again, the fire would make it hard to win this and not get himself killed, but allowing for the fact that he could, i'd give it to ill.
Blitzkrieg doesn’t have no problems of flying above the forest. If he spots Vertigo and Karate Kid, he can shoot them down before they get close enough for Vertigo’s scream to be effective. I’m not also sure if you understand the generic nature of Blitz’s blasts…they can’t be dodged. If Blitzkrieg can see them, he can kill them
“Blitzkrieg creates an ionized "bridge" through the air between the charged target and the incharged lightening source, usually a large volume of air. While it is possible to dodge one of Electro's bolts by moving faster than he can aim, it is impossible to dodge one of Blitzkrieg's because his lightening is attracted to the target-charges in the very act of its generation. Even if the target-object moved, its opposite charge would attract Blitzkrieg's lightening, causing it to follow until it struck.”
They are like seeker lightning bolts.
I believe that since Karate Kid has to fly well above the trees and smokes to keep Vertigo alive. Blitzkrieg can get above the trees and spot the two before they are close enough for Vertigo to do anything to him. His flying up would only take few seconds at best, and KK and Vertigo would still be half a mile away. And Blitzkrieg’s lightning travels thousand times faster then Vertigo’s sound, so he would take them away before Vertigo’s power would destroy him.
Facts:
A) Vertigo has to be close to affect people. I don’t believe she can affect anyone from nearly a half a mile away.
B) A prolonged exposure to her powers is needed for her opponents completely be down.
C) People with reasonable willpower and concentration can resist her powers.
Scans:
X-Men basically shrug off Vertigo’s power: http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1936/vertigo11et.gif
Bishop resists it and doesn’t even fall to ground:http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/4549/vertigo29qf.gif
It takes her several seconds to put weakened Avengers down (Cap lasts longest). She also attacked them while they were fighting, and from close range:http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7474/vertigo55br.gif
She finally puts weakened X-Men down while they are distracted – but the effects go away as soon as Longshot knocks her out: http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1755/vertigo38fz.gif
Her reaction speed isn’t really unbeatable: http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5595/vertigo46wc.gif
So, Vertigo possibly can’t affect Blitzkrieg that far before she is dropped from the sky, and needs to have prolonged contact for her powers to fully knock him out.
Originally posted by leonidas
as far as your rebuttal, dc: the smoke would likely get to you in sooner than 5 minutes, though i suppose it depends on WHERE exactly monolith aimed his blasts. he can likely shoot them 1000 yards, but ill didn't really specify. still, fire spreads very fast and he did say he was surrounding the battle field . . .<<Bitlzkrieg doesn't have to worry about the smoke for minutes. While he can track the electrical impulses the bodies of Vertigo and Karate Kid send, and shoot them down.>>
i'm not buying this. there is no evidence that he can detect impulses as faint as the ones given off in the brain -- especially over the distances we're talking and while he is distracted.
<<Your team doesn't know where my team is, therefore making Vertigos power useless.>>
general direction of teams was known at the start.
General direction, yes, but why can’t my team move around in the forest? If general direction is know, Blitzkrieg can just fly up to sky, take anyone who flews at him down, and rain lightning at the remaining members of the opposing team in seconds, since he knows their general direction and can blast lightning with pretty fast pace. Monolith doesn’t really have time to set the forest on fire.
Illadelph’s scenario somehow assumes that my team is just standing around helplessly.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Vertigo's attacks only work from reasonably close range, and to get close, she needs to know where my team is. And she will be taken down far before she can do anything.>.i explained how she could get close enough already . . .
<<Monolith has no defense against adamantium bullets, nor is he able to dodge them while Thing is pounding on him.
Agent Zero has lots and lots of adamantium bullets.
My team wins.>>
monolith dies, i don't doubt it. but then vert and kk come from behind and fell x and ben, or gamora is waiting for them and deals with them.
Vertigo and KK are dead. ✅
