Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
For all I care, the jews can splinter into ten thousands groups that meet every Saturday behind the downtown bakery and beat the shit out of each other until they're all dead. As long as their religion doesn't effect the politics that govern my life.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
What you really want to do is just remove all belief systems..that go against yours.
Scary. The true nature of the beast has revealed itself.
Fin
Originally posted by PVS
america was founded partially on the separation of church and state.why do you hate america?
"One Nation..Under God.."
"endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"
"In God we Trust"
Why do you hate the principles in which America was founded under?
Do the statements above sound like they're taken from people who want to establish a government based on a secularistic/naturalistic ideology?
I don't think so.
I don't hate America PVS. That's such a silly accusation. I merely stated that one can't completely seperate the concepts of Government/Religion/and Morality. This is the truth.
Any attempt to do so is illogical and self defeating. Can you actually come up with a logical rebuttal to this argument? Or is your only means of rebutting my argument throwing out baseless accusations..in an attempt to damage credibility?
Come on now my friend..you/Captain/Ush are clearly grasping at straws on this one. Break the mold every now and again PV..perhaps I won't label you as a groupthinker as often if you attempt to express an opinion that's different from the group consensus.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
"One Nation..Under God.."
added in the 1950's by neocons
Originally posted by whobdamandog
"endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"
creator? that could mean god, alah, zeus, the flying spagetti monster...or just...nature 😬 they wrote that in to respect all religions, and even left it vague enough to refer to no religion at all. do you think that was an accident?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
"In God we Trust"
see answer for "one nation under god"
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Why do you hate the principles in which America was founded under?
i love the principle on which america was founded. shit, it america today held to the written ideals of our forfathers, i would be the biggest flag waver and anthem singer you ever saw.
Originally posted by whobdamandogyou're so good at answering your own warped and loaded rhetorical questions, but again, see above answers, and if you dont believe me, look it up. quite frankly im surprised to have to explain such elementary history to one so knowledgable and wise as you...
Do the statements above sound like they're taken from people who want to establish a government based on a secularistic/naturalistic ideology?I don't think so.
the rest of your post is just more of your exhibited vaginal irritation and cries of "group think" so ill just let that go 🙂
Originally posted by whobdamandog
The definition is not my own Ush..its actually taken from the dictionary..Let me guess your response..dictionary definitions are not authoritative..right.?.🙄
And you wonder why I classify you as a "groupthinker" lol. The problem with your argument is that you are assuming the term "religion" can only be defined by spiritual or supernatural value systems. As I've demonstrated with my definition above this isn't the case my friend.
Religions/Governments are simply this Ush.."Moral belief sytems" which are put together in an organized fashion by some sort of authority. You can't seperate Morality from the concept of Religion or government..because quite frankly..Morality is what makes these concepts up.
It's kind of like asking the age old question. Which came first..the chicken or the egg? You can't seperate the chicken from producing the egg right..or the egg from producing the chicken. Same logic can be attributed to Religion/Government and Morality..which came first? Who knows..but it's obvious that these concepts are dependant upon one another.
Your entire post here is simply in defiance of common sense. Everyone with a brain can see the distinction between a secular belief system and a religion. There are clear borders between the two that everyone accepts, that laws accept, that Government accepts...
Ok, so you don't. Whopee do. I don't care in the slightest what your opinion on the matter is- and you know full well that the rest of the world does not agree with your interpretation of what and is not a religion. Any arguing you do of that point is just time wasting. Everyone sees it. Everyone knows it. Including you.
And so yes. I think religion can only be defined if it has a spiritual or supernatual element. That is not 'groupthink' oir any such bullcrap therm. That';s just reality. That is, oin fac,t the entire point of the word 'religion', and why we say religion is just one type of belief system, to discern it from the ones that are NOT religions.
Hence, as ever, you are talking gibberish.
Originally posted by PVS
if america today held to the written ideals of our forefathers, i would be the biggest........anthem singer you ever saw.
Oh, God, no. Please don't give our country any more excuses to go against our forefathers.
*getting flashbacks of that hi-tech PVS image in the "what do you look like" thread *