The scene which showed Vegeta destroying a planet was filler. Isn't filler non-canon? Even a Spirit Bomb, which has landed on a planet's surface, only causes a big crater. It didn't destroy the planet. Cell (after self-destructing on King Kai's planet) said he could destroy the whole solar system. He never proved it anyway. Even up to GT, they were never throwing solar system busting attacks. Just mountain shattering ones. Whenever they did throw planet busting attacks, they always threw it at the core, causing it to become unstable.
Superman has taken solar system destroying explosions from the Sun Eater and a black hole and absorbed the Maggedon Warhead device, which could destroy half a galaxy.
Considering that Goku has never thrown these types of attacks, he will have a hard time putting Superman down.
Originally posted by Femi32
The scene which showed Vegeta destroying a planet was filler. Isn't filler non-canon? Even a Spirit Bomb, which has landed on a planet's surface, only causes a big crater. It didn't destroy the planet. Cell (after self-destructing on King Kai's planet) said he could destroy the whole solar system. He never proved it anyway. Even up to GT, they were never throwing solar system busting attacks. Just mountain shattering ones. Whenever they did throw planet busting attacks, they always threw it at the core, causing it to become unstable.Superman has taken solar system destroying explosions from the Sun Eater and a black hole and absorbed the Maggedon Warhead device, which could destroy half a galaxy.
Considering that Goku has never thrown these types of attacks, he will have a hard time putting Superman down.
Yes, Vegeta blowing up planet Arila isn't cannon, since it never happened in the original Japanese anime or manga.
Goku pretty much doesn't stand a chance, but the fanboys can't except it! 🙂
Originally posted by Creshosk
How many times can a black hole destroy the Earth?Obviously not 833 times in your mind.
But hey how about you actually try to prove your inductive reasoning. Because I'm sorry simple inductive reasoning, educated guessing, is insufficient to prove your case.
Your logic is very flawed. I've already said. Just because someone does not do something does not necessarily mean they cannot.
Goku isnt a character that would go around blowing up planets. lol
He is the hero of the story after all. And he might be the most kind hearted Hero of any story. Hes not going to blow up planets and kill billions of people.
EVEN if your not considering the "Filler" of Vegeta destroying a planet as Canon (which it is anyways, its in the series) Then Vegeta still would have destroyed the earth during his first fight with Goku.
His powerlevel is 18,000. It is clearly stated in the DBZ encyclopedia as well as in the show itself.
Toriyama has spoken. Those are the powerlevels, there is no debating them.
(Oh and btw, inductive reasoning not good enough? All of SCIENCE is based upon the exact same type and style of reasoning as I have givin...lol. Interesting huh)
Cells says he can destroy a solar system. The math would prove that more then likely he could.
Vegeta says hes going to destroy the Earth. Its common DBZ knowledge that he could. And the numbers given by the CREATOR says he could.
Frieza destroyed the planet Vegeta. And he clearly said that he's never transformed before to Vegeta. So he did it in his first form.
The numbers equate to 833 times of planet crusing power for Goku during the Frieza saga. If you guys cant accept that, then well. Thats too bad that your so devoted to something that you just turn a blind eye to undenible evidence. Oh well, your choice.
Btw. This black hole business. When was this? Pre or Post-Crisis?
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))Hardly. Your logic is " Iwant them to beable to so they can. Despite proof to the contrary.
Your logic is very flawed.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))Unless it's something which they have not proven to be able to do.
I've already said. Just because someone does not do something does not necessarily mean they cannot.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))Irrealevant to weather or not he could don't you think?
Goku isnt a character that would go around blowing up planets. lol
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))So you're saying you have no proof of his ability?
He is the hero of the story after all. And he might be the most kind hearted Hero of any story. Hes not going to blow up planets and kill billions of people.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))And yet, Majin vegeta didn't destroy the earth when he expelled all of his energy in an omniversal attack, just a big crater. . . Funny don't you think?
EVEN if your not considering the "Filler" of Vegeta destroying a planet as Canon (which it is anyways, its in the series) Then Vegeta still would have destroyed the earth during his first fight with Goku.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))What's Superman's power level?
His powerlevel is 18,000. It is clearly stated in the DBZ encyclopedia as well as in the show itself.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))You can make up anything you want, if it does not translate it is not useable. I could for example make up a power schema and say that superman is 5 ghojiditz strong, therefor he wins. Meaningless without a base comparison to Goku don't you think?
Toriyama has spoken. Those are the powerlevels, there is no debating them.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))False. Science relies on proof, inductive reasoning is given as part of a hypothesis. Then it is tested. When the test suc ceeds it is advanced further that "educated guessing".
(Oh and btw, inductive reasoning not good enough? All of SCIENCE is based upon the exact same type and style of reasoning as I have givin...lol. Interesting huh)
Of course if you knew what the hell you were talking about rather than your fanboyish drivel you would have known that.
Cells says he can destroy a solar system. The math would prove that more then likely he could.
Vegeta says hes going to destroy the Earth. Its common DBZ knowledge that he could. And the numbers given by the CREATOR says he could.
Frieza destroyed the planet Vegeta. And he clearly said that he's never transformed before to Vegeta. So he did it in his first form.
The numbers equate to 833 times of planet crusing power for Goku during the Frieza saga. If you guys cant accept that, then well. Thats too bad that your so devoted to something that you just turn a blind eye to undenible evidence. Oh well, your choice.
Btw. This black hole business. When was this? Pre or Post-Crisis? [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Cyber NinjaWhat's funny is that and the following is your logic, not mine.
Majin vegeta : I am going to blow myself up to save the world so let me blow up the world while doing it. Makes so much sense...
"I have enough energy to destroy the universe, so now I'm going to expend all of it to kill a threat, and somehow only make a crater."
Yeah, makes a whole hell of a lot of sense, doesn't it?
What makes more sense? He doesn't have as much power as you guys are claiming him to have. That actually does make sense as compared to the picture you're trying to paint.
Originally posted by Ethereal
black holes are actually only a few miles in diameter. It would be very hard to get intertwined in a black hole traveling in a craft. A black hole would not destroy the earth - by normal means.
wouldn't the gravity of the black hole pull the ship down.
and wouldn't the sucking it to it destroy it. they can destroy stars. i think the can do it to earth. provided it's near enough for the gravity to pull it in.
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
destroy stars ? depending how big one is..there are many little black holes around near us. The big black holes are caused mostly by the death of a star.
Little ones? news to me.
But shouldn't the little ones be dangerous as well. The whole being so strong not even light can escape thing. Like i said as long as it's far away enough not to be sucked up by it's gravity the ship and earth should be fine.
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
I am just saying on what I hear. Littleones can not really suck in planets...ships are smaller than planets.
if there near enough to the planet then i guess they can. they still have the same gravity as the star that they were created from only packed more in to the middle and squeezed in right?
so a star getting close to earth should drag earth in right? Little or not.
But as long as it's far enough away it shouldn't harm earth or a ship.
Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
there are big black holes and there are small black holes. Also they differ from the types of black holes and how much gravity one holds. They are all not the same in power.
i know. But they all have the mass of the star that created them. I thought stars usually have more gravity then earth.
even if it were a small one one opening say on top of the planet would suck the earth in.
the only way a black hole is dangerous is when you fly into the event horizon--but the black hole doesnt suck you in if you were traveling just outside of it. You have to go relatively inside the black hole. Then you get stretched to molecules as the intense gravity crushed you into atoms.
super-massive black holes are different i think--but its all speculation scientist havent actually been able to see one first hand.