GOKU and SUPERMAN

Originally posted by Ethereal
the only way a black hole is dangerous is when you fly into the event horizon--but the black hole doesnt suck you in if you were traveling just outside of it. You have to go relatively inside the black hole. Then you get stretched to molecules as the intense gravity crushed you into atoms.

super-massive black holes are different i think--but its all speculation scientist havent actually been able to see one first hand.

They still have some gravitational pull though right? Even if your not directly inside the event horizen you can still be pulled in if your close enough. It''s once your inside the event horizen that you cannot escape.

Yeah Super massive black holes are different. Scientist believe that there is one at the center of our universe.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/blackhole_milkyway_021016.html

black hole, or actually red and white.

Superman will kill goku a$$ plain and simple. Goku has a time limit on his powers when goes SS3/SS4 hybrid as where superman has all of abilities ready to go. I am sick and tired of people trying to compare the two you can't you have one hero who is a f**king Icon and the other a wanna be. Superman has done more shit has more feats that goku would have wet dreams about doing really, can goku fly in the space? no, can goku survive a planetary explosion? no, goku has limits as where superman doesn't. If you write superman to potential it's not even close Superman will mop the floor with ass and the rest of DBZ universe.

damn right has goku ever moved the moon or warworld with max engines(though he was charged up at the time). goku has struggled to move mountains when supes was doing that with ease decades ago. and thats just his strength. his other powers, including durability (has goku survived a blast equalk to 100 nukes dont think so), along with his strength make him much (3000x much) more powerful than goku could possibly imagine.

Originally posted by Thorin
black hole, or actually red and white.

No there not.

Originally posted by The Ion
Where did the idea come from that DBZ characters were so godly anyway? Their top feats are blowing up planets which takes about 5 episodes of groaning...err, "powering up" to pull off.

😆 😆

I don't really want to get into this argument becasue I think it is stupid to debate japanize stuff to american it's totaly differnt. But, correct me if i'm wrong I thought Bibpdy or what ever his name is (the wizard guy) was talking about Goku's power level from just being in SSJ 1 was sevral times higher then what was needed to destroy a planet. Frizza destroyed planet vegeta in the Bardok movie with incredible low effort in his first form (they showed it happing in the namik eposodes also), Piccolow made a comment in the saga before the sayin one about Goku's brother being able to move at the speed of light, Piccolow made the same comment about the sayinmen in the sayan saga becasue gohon couldn't see them. Their was no aura around goku in any of the db or for the first part of the dbz saga and he took blasts that leveled mountains and looked like a nukal blast. I know that Goku really hasn't shown that he's destroyed planets but he has over powered people who have before. DBZ is filled with inconsistancyes more than any comic book. While Goku has done some pretty cool things before he has in almost every show been put to the ground by his wife, and other stupid things which would suggest human durablity.

hmm true i dont believe this arguments should exist at all both goku and superman want good not evil (as far as i knoew on goku's behalf anyway) but i like arguing

Originally posted by jasofisc
I don't really want to get into this argument becasue I think it is stupid to debate japanize stuff to american it's totaly differnt. But, correct me if i'm wrong I thought Bibpdy or what ever his name is (the wizard guy) was talking about Goku's power level from just being in SSJ 1 was sevral times higher then what was needed to destroy a planet. Frizza destroyed planet vegeta in the Bardok movie with incredible low effort in his first form (they showed it happing in the namik eposodes also), Piccolow made a comment in the saga before the sayin one about Goku's brother being able to move at the speed of light, Piccolow made the same comment about the sayinmen in the sayan saga becasue gohon couldn't see them. Their was no aura around goku in any of the db or for the first part of the dbz saga and he took blasts that leveled mountains and looked like a nukal blast. I know that Goku really hasn't shown that he's destroyed planets but he has over powered people who have before. DBZ is filled with inconsistancyes more than any comic book. While Goku has done some pretty cool things before he has in almost every show been put to the ground by his wife, and other stupid things which would suggest human durablity.

thats true, also this big goku struggled with a mountain thing people also bring up was filler, and every1 knows that filler is incosistant, it had SSj3 goku put up a decent fight gainst gotenks Buu wtf. And as for Gokus strength level, in the Buu saga Goku in his base form was lifting 10 tons he then upgraded to 40 tons and had to go Super saiyan to hold it, and super saiyan increase the power of a siayan by rougly 10x (I think which would easily take him to class 100) nd if he powerd up to ssj2 it would be like increseing his power by another 10x thus making him able to lift 1000 tons, and so on till he reaches his limit, granted i dnt no how much supes can lift, but goku's sheer power from his energy would hurt supes after all if you can generate enough power to kill 1000s of planets in 1 attack i think it would hurt superman (ok 1000 might be a slight exageration). But this is why u shudnt compare them, their so dif u just cnt tell.

Originally posted by jasofisc
I don't really want to get into this argument becasue I think it is stupid to debate japanize stuff to american it's totaly differnt. But, correct me if i'm wrong I thought Bibpdy or what ever his name is (the wizard guy) was talking about Goku's power level from just being in SSJ 1 was sevral times higher then what was needed to destroy a planet. Frizza destroyed planet vegeta in the Bardok movie with incredible low effort in his first form (they showed it happing in the namik eposodes also), Piccolow made a comment in the saga before the sayin one about Goku's brother being able to move at the speed of light, Piccolow made the same comment about the sayinmen in the sayan saga becasue gohon couldn't see them. Their was no aura around goku in any of the db or for the first part of the dbz saga and he took blasts that leveled mountains and looked like a nukal blast. I know that Goku really hasn't shown that he's destroyed planets but he has over powered people who have before. DBZ is filled with inconsistancyes more than any comic book. While Goku has done some pretty cool things before he has in almost every show been put to the ground by his wife, and other stupid things which would suggest human durablity.

First movies aren't cannon, Piccolo saying that Raditn is faster than light is a mistranslation in the dub and Funimation uncut version, and that never happen in the original manga or Japanese show. Also, there's alot of characters that dodge energy blasts like Raditz did, Spiderman being one of them, but that doesn't mean he's light speed. Again they can destroy planets, just not easy, they can't one shot a planet with a simple energy blasts.

Originally posted by Sparkz
thats true, also this big goku struggled with a mountain thing people also bring up was filler, and every1 knows that filler is incosistant, it had SSj3 goku put up a decent fight gainst gotenks Buu wtf. And as for Gokus strength level, in the Buu saga Goku in his base form was lifting 10 tons he then upgraded to 40 tons and had to go Super saiyan to hold it, and super saiyan increase the power of a siayan by rougly 10x (I think which would easily take him to class 100) nd if he powerd up to ssj2 it would be like increseing his power by another 10x thus making him able to lift 1000 tons, and so on till he reaches his limit, granted i dnt no how much supes can lift, but goku's sheer power from his energy would hurt supes after all if you can generate enough power to kill 1000s of planets in 1 attack i think it would hurt superman (ok 1000 might be a slight exageration). But this is why u shudnt compare them, their so dif u just cnt tell.

If we take away that strength feat of Goku pushing the moutain, he won't have any other strength feats to go by. You do know that Goku lifting 40 tons is also filler right? That's when he fought Pikon, who isn't in the manga either, he's also a filler character. So if you go with the 40 ton thing, then there's no reason why the moutain thing should be used. Either way, he doesn't come close to Superman in strength. 🙂

Originally posted by dvampire
If we take away that strength feat of Goku pushing the moutain, he won't have any other strength feats to go by. You do know that Goku lifting 40 tons is also filler right? That's when he fought Pikon, who isn't in the manga either, he's also a filler character. So if you go with the 40 ton thing, then there's no reason why the moutain thing should be used. Either way, he doesn't come close to Superman in strength. 🙂

Actuly it wasnt filler, and it wasnt when he fought pikon it was just b4 he went back to earth to fight in the tornament (and the buu saga) and he was training with weights and king kai was showing off, tht was in the manga.

Oh and i didnt think he did either, well i wasnt sure, supermans strength is even more inconsistant thn dbz power levels.

Movies are not cannon ues, but in the freiza saga it showed freiza and the planet with bardock blowing up. Also in akiras guide it had the family tree and good old bardock was gokus father. Oh yeah the 40 ton thing and goku in ssj 1 started doing it with ease, and also in akiras guide and the show the increase by 10x is cannon so like that guy said his strength goes up. So dvamp, show the pic in the manga where ssj3 goku moves the big mountain on a Kai planet which is not a regular one it is a kai planet that can not be destroyed, and weak goku after getting beat up by buu and the form ssj3 takes alot of energy. Now with that siad, show the pic in the manga where goku move sthis mountain...

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Movies are not cannon ues, but in the freiza saga it showed freiza and the planet with bardock blowing up. Also in akiras guide it had the family tree and good old bardock was gokus father. Oh yeah the 40 ton thing and goku in ssj 1 started doing it with ease, and also in akiras guide and the show the increase by 10x is cannon so like that guy said his strength goes up. So dvamp, show the pic in the manga where ssj3 goku moves the big mountain on a Kai planet which is not a regular one it is a kai planet that can not be destroyed, and weak goku after getting beat up by buu and the form ssj3 takes alot of energy. Now with that siad, show the pic in the manga where goku move sthis mountain...

Hes talking bout the filler scene where SSj2 Goku is pushing that mountain in half while Kid buu is standing on top of it.

Okay here is a feat that should end it. The precrisis Superman kal'l survived the crisis and as of recent opened a ****ing whole into the recent and current Dc universe. Can Goku rip a whole in time and space with out gettingt hurt? Can he do it at all. I don't think so!

Originally posted by Dr.Fate
Okay here is a feat that should end it. The precrisis Superman kal'l survived the crisis and as of recent opened a ****ing whole into the recent and current Dc universe. Can Goku rip a whole in time and space with out gettingt hurt? Can he do it at all. I don't think so!

Actuly it is quite possible, Majin Buu and Gotenks both ripped open a hole in time and space by screaming and using the vibration in there voice to open a rift, so there is a possiblity that Goku may be able to do it aswell.

And how would that help in a fight anyway.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Actuly it wasnt filler, and it wasnt when he fought pikon it was just b4 he went back to earth to fight in the tornament (and the buu saga) and he was training with weights and king kai was showing off, tht was in the manga.

Oh and i didnt think he did either, well i wasnt sure, supermans strength is even more inconsistant thn dbz power levels.

No, it was filler. This happened right after the Cell saga, Goku was dead, that never happen in the original manga.

Post-Crisis Superman has stayed consistant. 🙂

Originally posted by Sparkz
Hes talking bout the filler scene where SSj2 Goku is pushing that mountain in half while Kid buu is standing on top of it.

I'm talking about the filler scene where Goku fought Pikon too. 🙂

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
Movies are not cannon ues, but in the freiza saga it showed freiza and the planet with bardock blowing up. Also in akiras guide it had the family tree and good old bardock was gokus father. Oh yeah the 40 ton thing and goku in ssj 1 started doing it with ease, and also in akiras guide and the show the increase by 10x is cannon so like that guy said his strength goes up. So dvamp, show the pic in the manga where ssj3 goku moves the big mountain on a Kai planet which is not a regular one it is a kai planet that can not be destroyed, and weak goku after getting beat up by buu and the form ssj3 takes alot of energy. Now with that siad, show the pic in the manga where goku move sthis mountain...

Freeza blowing up planet Vegeta is cannon, I agree.

Again the other world tornament was filler, just like Goku pushing the moutain.

I can't show you a pic of ssj3 Goku (I can show the whole fight of ssj3 vs. Kid Buu though if you don't belive me) pushing a moutain because it's not in the manga. 😕 Also, the Kai's planet could be destroyed just like Earth, even Surpreme Kai stated that.

Has anybody pointed out the obvious ? Goku and Superman are completely different in every way shape and form made by different cultures, they will never fight each other, nor will we ever find out how much better one is to another, Goku would have the better fighting style granted but Superman is well Super, while Goku is Super Sayian, different races different weaknesses everything, plus DBZ has alot of inconsistencies in storylines and abilities the opponents in DBZ just keep getting more powerful and the same for the Good guys until it is absurdly stupid, notice DBZ only have the one block! crossing arms infront of your chest not too effective in real life, anyway i feel this type of vs topics suck sometimes because you can easily waste hours of time debating and at the end of it all a persons point of view is rarely changed. Thats my 2Cents