Phoenix Force vs. Living Tribunal.

Started by GalacticStorm10 pages

Originally posted by illadelph12
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Please GS. Come on bruh.

This is my problem with this "canon evidence" movement that has afflicted the board as of late. This instance and the way it's being interpreted as 'evidence' of LT not being powerful is a farce. The terms "ultimate", "invincible" and "unstoppable" get tossed around in comicdom like e pills at a rave. It means nothing more than the writer wanting to be dramatic in the dialogue.

Tribunal blowing up the Sun to destroy Earth and Korvac, and Korvac erecting a forcefield (or Death or Shaper of Worlds erecting a forcefield, the origin of the field isn't depicted) to protect the Earth from the explosion of the Sun, does not in any way shape or form allude to the extent or limits of LT's power. It just means someone (either Shaper, Korvac, or Death) can erect a forcefield that can withstand a supernova.

If I throw my shoe at a book in an attempt to get the book to fall over and crush an ant, but the ant is able to survive the book falling over on it, and then I inexplicably give up on the endeavor, does that mean the ant is beyond my ability to kill it and I don't posess the power to simply walk over and step on the ant directly if I so chose to do it?

LT still quarantined the [b]entire universe after that incident. What would have stopped him from simply sealing off Korvac independently so he couldn't effect the rest of the universe? It's obvious LT still had the power to erect a field Korvac was powerless to penetrate, it's stated and depicted on the same page.

Plot induced stupidity gets the gasface. 👇

This is too slippery of a slope man. You can't use plot driven instances of fictional events ('feats'😉 as concrete evidence of the outcome of hypothetical situations. Especially in direct inference to characters like Living Tribunal and The One Above All whose very premise within the fiction lends to them not having many 'feats' in the first place, let alone appearances at all. [/B]

Youre still missing the point. Im not doubting LTs power but his freedom to apply it. While its true that terms like "ultimate" are bandied around comicdom LT doesnt have another output of power to allow us to attribute the wording as mere hyperbole or the showing as a whole as PIS.

As aforementioned there could be limits as to how much LT can get involved in a situation physically. His tendancy to employ other powers to deal with cosmic threats as opposed to getting involved himself just supports that.

LTs role is to maintain the balance of power in realities and to protect them. As such he may be restricted in the amount of power he may be allowed to apply in dealing with a situation. The IG situation where he talked Adam out a confrontation can also be used to support this notion.

Regardless he stated it was his ultimate punishment, that he could do no more for that universe and then he fled. LTs true power level remains a mystery however for now the Korvac situation has given us a limit which has yet to contradicted on panel. Not debatable.

I just know you've got something in the works lol. I'll reply tomorrow. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre still missing the point. Im not doubting LTs power but his freedom to apply it. While its true that terms like "ultimate" are bandied around comicdom LT doesnt have another output of power to allow us to attribute the wording as mere hyperbole or the showing as a whole as PIS.

As aforementioned there could be limits as to how much LT can get involved in a situation physically. His tendancy to employ other powers to deal with cosmic threats as opposed to getting involved himself just supports that.

LTs role is to maintain the balance of power in realities and to protect them. As such he may be restricted in the amount of power he may be allowed to apply in dealing with a situation. The IG situation where he talked Adam out a confrontation can also be used to support this notion.

Regardless he stated it was his ultimate punishment, that he could do no more for that universe and then he fled. LTs true power level remains a mystery however for now the Korvac situation has given us a limit which has yet to contradicted on panel. Not debatable.

No GS.

I'm missing nothing.

Your line of reasoning doesn't add up on this occasion.

All this scan showed was Korvac could survive a supernova LT happened to be the origin of. LT did not directly attack Korvac, nor did it ever state on panel that the blast he generated was the full extent of his power. All that was said is that causing the supernova to destroy Earth was his "righteous retribution" and "ultimate punishment" (i.e., his final decision/course of action given the circumstances), and the resultant explosion was intended to destroy both Earth and Korvac, but Korvac (or possibly Shaper of Worlds or Death, the origin of the forcefield isn't displayed) protected Earth from the explosion. There is no way to make an assumption that this is a display of the extent of Tribunal's power because he didn't act directly on any of the parties involved.

This is not going to work on me GS, you know me better than that.

Your hypothesis of LT having limits of power (comparable to Spectre) has never been fleshed out either and there is nothing anywhere that lends credence to this statement.

I've also read the Infinity Gaultlet and nowhere did I get the interpretation that Living Tribunal was negotiating from a weaker vantage point, he simply did not want to wrest the gauntlet from Warlock for fear of the unwarranted destruction the conflict would cause. Then he turned the gauntlet off.

Again, it's all interpretation.

Saying that blowing up the sun to destroy Earth was his 'ultimate punishment' means nothing. It can be interpreted many ways. It could mean 'ultimate' as in 'final outcome' rather than 'ultimate' as in 'maximum/greatest extent of influence'. Given that he still had within his capacity the power and ability to seal Korvac and the entire universe off from the rest of creation after Korvac survived the supernova leans the cadence of the phrase more towards the former rather than the latter.

He also said he had an entire multiverse to tend to and could do no more. This can be interpreted as he could do no more as in waste no more of his time as he had other matters to tend to, or that it was beyond his means. He came, performed one act, it didn't work, and he left. LT was simply as competent as FEMA in this situation which was plot driven to make Korvac seem like a high end universal threat.

It's again a matter of interpretation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I just know you've got something in the works lol. I'll reply tomorrow. 😉

You know me to well homie.

pheonix force

LT

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
pheonix force

Based on what?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
pheonix force

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WTF?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
pheonix force

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Man the kind of stuff that was going on back then...

That Korvac/Tribunal scan is just.............humiliating.

I have no idea how powerful LT is

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
pheonix force

ban

delph whooped ass, took names, and i'm guessing bedded female relatives and acquaintances and left polaroids all over the living room.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
pheonix force

...is having a stroooooooooooke.

LT looking pimping.

LT holding Phoenix Force in his hand.

The LT wins with a mere gesture

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
...is having a stroooooooooooke.

Xorn > PF > LT 🙂 🙂 🙂

LT is supposed to be the ultimate authority in a given universe but he really is a bit of a no show for his abilities. But the fact that death and such are far subservient to him I'm gonna put him up ftw.