The difference in physical stats between the two is far greater than any comparison between two humans.
THAT is what seals the deal.
Cap hits harder, he moves faster, he sees quicker, and there is no practical skill difference because both know all that is possible with the human anatomy as far as fighting goes.
Only so many ways to punch and kick and move with a human structure. They aren't aliens with multiple limbs and trick joints. There is literally no technique one can do that the other hasn't seen before or can't replicate.
Originally posted by CosmicCometI'm not sure where you got the idea that Cap knows all that is possible with the human anatomy because I've never seen this statement. It's been stated that Bruce knows the human anatomy and knows every pressure point, never has this been stated for Cap.
The difference in physical stats between the two is far greater than any comparison between two humans.THAT is what seals the deal.
Cap hits harder, he moves faster, he sees quicker, and there is no practical skill difference because both know all that is possible with the human anatomy as far as fighting goes.
Only so many ways to punch and kick and move with a human structure. They aren't aliens with multiple limbs and trick joints. There is literally no technique one can do that the other hasn't seen before or can't replicate.
Unless you have a scan of course.
And even if he did know all there is to know it wouldn't equate to being as skilled. Skill is the application of knowledge and technique, knowing something is one thing, how well you put it use is another.
You're right, there are only so many ways to punch and kick, but there's much more to skill than how many flash in the pan moves you know. That is a pretty whopping generalization if I've ever heard one
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I posted this a long time ago somewhere in this thread.
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Here are the 3 times Batman and Captain America faced off on panel.
(grant it, they're crossovers, but at-least it's a rough idea)
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Writers: Ron Marz/Peter David (DC vs Marvel)
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Writer: John Byrne (Batman & Captain America)
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Writer: Kurt Busiek (JLA/Avengers)
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All 3 interpretations are similar imo.
Originally posted by Mihsnme
Cap may be superhuman but it's a subjective term, Batman isn't superhuman but he has tons of superhuman level featsIf Batman actually had equipment he'd win 10/10 since Cap has no defense against Cryo pellets, gas and tasers
Cap wankers, how's cap comparable to bruce in skills? Batman stalemates Karate Kid twice, beats Lady Shiva and what has cap done to denote he's comparable to that?
Originally posted by Mihsnme
I'm not sure where you got the idea that Cap knows all that is possible with the human anatomy because I've never seen this statement. It's been stated that Bruce knows the human anatomy and knows every pressure point, never has this been stated for Cap.Unless you have a scan of course.
And even if he did know all there is to know it wouldn't equate to being as skilled. Skill is the application of knowledge and technique, knowing something is one thing, how well you put it use is another.
You're right, there are only so many ways to punch and kick, but there's much more to skill than how many flash in the pan moves you know. That is a pretty whopping generalization if I've ever heard one
*facepalm*
What you described is EXACTLY why Batman has no skill advantage over Cap at all.
Batman is the one who gets argued to know all these styles--E.G. 'flash in the pan' stuff, but the point I was making is that all that shit he knows is completely REDUNDANT.
Fighting is not a complex thing. It's very simple. It's not EASY. But it is very simple.
There's only a handful of ways to punch, and only a handful of ways to kick, and there are only a handful of ways to avoid or parry blows.
You don't need to know hundreds of 'styles' like Batman to know all there is to know about fighting. Only a handful of styles will do, and Cap, even though he's been stated to know all the Earthly styles just like Batman, doesn't try to bog himself down with impractical ideologies that can't work. He uses what's practical and effective.
Skill the way its described in comic fights is a completely arbitrary term that has no meaning.
Here is what determines how great a fighter you are; Your hits landed to hits taken ratio, how quickly you win fights, and how many assailants you can engage at once.
Perception speed, Reflexes, Physical speed, Punching Power, Hand-Eye-Coordination, Balance. These are the quantifiable factors that determine the above. Cap is outright superior in several of those and no less than equal in others. 'Skill' by itself is some kind of subjectively used word that has no importance.
As for pressure points, Cap already knows that fake shit. He even knows how to channel Chi.
Originally posted by abhilegendI think you meant to quote someone else. But Batman stalemating Karate Kid is massive PIS though.
I didn't said anything like that, I was just laughing at your excuse that the armor somehow amps batman's speed. I've no interest in street levelers, I still know more about them than you do.Cap wankers, how's cap comparable to bruce in skills? Batman stalemates Karate Kid twice, beats Lady Shiva and what has cap done to denote he's comparable to that?
Originally posted by CosmicCometThe whole basis of your argument is that having superior reflexes. physical speed, punching power, hand eye coordination etc etc will always beat pure skill
*facepalm*What you described is EXACTLY why Batman has no skill advantage over Cap at all.
Batman is the one who gets argued to know all these styles--E.G. 'flash in the pan' stuff, but the point I was making is that all that shit he knows is completely REDUNDANT.
Fighting is not a complex thing. It's very simple. It's not EASY. But it is very simple.
There's only a handful of ways to punch, and only a handful of ways to kick, and there are only a handful of ways to avoid or parry blows.
You don't need to know hundreds of 'styles' like Batman to know all there is to know about fighting. Only a handful of styles will do, and Cap, even though he's been stated to know all the Earthly styles just like Batman, doesn't try to bog himself down with impractical ideologies that can't work. He uses what's practical and effective.
Skill the way its described in comic fights is a completely arbitrary term that has no meaning.
Here is what determines how great a fighter you are; Your hits landed to hits taken ratio, how quickly you win fights, and how many assailants you can engage at once.
Perception speed, Reflexes, Physical speed, Punching Power, Hand-Eye-Coordination, Balance. These are the quantifiable factors that determine the above. Cap is outright superior in several of those and no less than equal in others. 'Skill' by itself is some kind of subjectively used word that has no importance.
As for pressure points, Cap already knows that fake shit. He even knows how to channel Chi.
This is why your argument fails
Bucky fought 50's Cap to a standstill who had all of the stats you mentioned above him except Bucky was more skilled than he was, that alone debunks what you just stated
And your comment on pressure points being fake shit tells me I need to stop wasting my time responding to you.
Originally posted by Mihsnme
The whole basis of your argument is that having superior reflexes. physical speed, punching power, hand eye coordination etc etc will always beat pure skillThis is why your argument fails
Bucky fought 50's Cap to a standstill who had all of the stats you mentioned above him except Bucky was more skilled than he was, that alone debunks what you just stated
And your comment on pressure points being fake shit tells me I need to stop wasting my time responding to you.
What the heck does 'skill' by itself mean?
What, the heck, does it mean? All of those things I mentioned determine how great a fighter is in reality--and thus ends up being consolidated into one simplified word--'skill' itself. All of that determines your 'skill' to a massive degree. Anderson Silva has all of those things, and he will not lose a fight to someone who's physically inferior in all of those capacities yet has 'trained a lot of moves'.
You can't out skill someone if you don't have the reflexes. You can't out skill someone if you can't see their movements easily. You can't out skill someone if your body doesn't physically move fast enough. You can't be skilled period if you have no hand-eye-coordination.
There's not many ways to punch, not many ways to kick, not many ways to block. Cap knows and has used all of them.
And he's outright superior in those stats to boot. Hence, he's a better fighter.
Yes, pressure point fighting is outdated Hollywood east Asian inspired garbage. There's obvious weak regions of the body--your head, your stomach, your neck etc, and it doesn't mean some magical finger poking to evoke them. Simply punching will however. Naturally.
Bucky beating Cap once means his perception speed and reflexes were good enough to allow him to win in the first place. This is what you do not understand. Those things determine your 'skill'.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'll assume you meant me,...I contend deflecting a bullet out of the air, while impressive was accomplished because the armor absorbed most of the impact
It's aim dodging
Batman punching bullets of the air is aim-dodging?
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