Originally posted by braz
^burton was good, but still, keaton was outta shape, i mean he couldnt have even taken his shirt off without being exposed as a couch potato, the batsuit i didnt really like in this one...except in batman returns now that one was cool..i just didnt care too much for the one in Batman though, no origin, not enough emotion to get u drawn into the story...stiff action sequences..so ur right, Begins tops em' all i think
Agreed on Batman Returns being awesome, and so far I believe it to be the best Batman film... first one, it was okay and the original but Returns was better... and Begins was just greatly lacking in entertainment value.
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Agreed on Batman Returns being awesome, and so far I believe it to be the best Batman film... first one, it was okay and the original but Returns was better... and Begins was just greatly lacking in entertainment value.
yyea i know what ur saying and trust me, i did, even myself find batman begins to come off a little boring...but that was because of all the incomprehensible fight scenes all like .02 seconds long each and u couldnt really take in any action in that movie cuz u didnt know what the hell was goin on! that was my only complaint about begins, but other than that...best movie ive ever seen..hands down
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Um... because the Burton films (even though they were not comic based) are still more interesting and amusing to watch than BB...Batman Begins puts you to sleep, Burton's films are entertaining.
Ah...Burton's films ARE comic based; they still carry the Batman name and the familar elements. What I have been saying, is that Burton doesn't respect the comics medium. If you could read the story of Burton's involvement with Superman in the late 90's - the film version that collapsed - his arrogant distain for everything about Superman was shocking. Ideas like no costume, making him a gadget-based character who flies with a supermobile 🤨
By contrast, Batman Begins by Nolan and Goyer treats the legend with respect; his journey is like that of many heroic odysseys from myth. This is made for those who care about Bruce Wayne and why he does what he does. Judging by the great box-office and critical success, it's a large portion of the globe.
Re: Batman Begins.........Horrible "reinvention".
Originally posted by Batman Returns
well, last night i watched BB again......for the last time. i absolutly hated this version of Batman, it was BORING. i cant
believe nolan made batman boring. i HATED gotham city in this one, it looked so boring and stiff, no atmosphere, no
character, no nothin. nolan could have at least added a little atmosphere, but all we got was a spiderman-looking city wich was
also boring as hell. there were also MANY instances while watrching BB where i kept thinking to myself "RIPOFF." i saw
blatantly obvious ripoffs from both spiderman and the previous batman films. bales "im Batman" totally sucked, it just did, for so many reasons. the buildup to the scene was horrible, we already know who this guy is and why hes batman how he got the suit and all that, so do ppl really expect to be "wowed" by this scene? i sure wasnt, there was no real suspense! no mystery to batman! why no mystery nolan, WHY!? ass. this is something Burton got right but i dont think anyone will ever get the mystrey right, burtons style was perfect for Batman.
correction actually, bales bATMAN totally sucked. that voice he made just screams "poser" and just sounded goofy and wrong. batman doesnt have
to scream to his enemies and look like a goof in that tight-ass cowl.which brings up another thing that annoyed the piss off outta me, the
costume totally sucked. i HATED bales bat suit, it looked more like a well put together halloween costume, not the bAT suit. the creases were ever-so-noticable, more then any other batsuit made, and they made the suit look horrible and fake.
it looked all "robo-cop" and the cape looked like a BLANKET, not batwings. batman looks now like one of those kids who run around the house with a blanket and goggles on, LOL! just wrong. this isnt the comics, this is a MOVIE where ppl are
gonna have to take you seriously and really think your a Bat man, not a guy in suit. boy was ras right when he said "your
just a man in a cape", i had to laugh out loud at that one, cuz thats EXACTLY what he looked like. Keatons suit (and Batman) was
awsome with the oval and tall sinister ears, hell, even kilmers panther suit had more awsomeness (minus the nipples) then bales piece of trash boring badly done costume. his bat ears were imperceptible and just tiny little things, NOT bat ears i know from comics. they looked stupid. and why couldnt i see the imfamous bat-symbol? cuz it WASNT THERE. what an idiot who designed this suit, if you cant see the symbol, why bother? thats one of the best parts of the suit! and they ruined it! and
all that jazz about how "bale can turn his head!" was total BS. he didnt. it was the same design as previous cowls pretty much. how utterly stupid of them to lie to us.next thing i hated, the
batmobile. what did they do to it??! it totally sucked, this is NOT the BATmobile, this is a friggin stupid looking montster
truck. Batman would never use this unless he was a crazy old coot, via DKR, not a "young" batman, which i also dont agree with all these "younger" super heros nowadays. why would nolan even bother
adding the batmobile in his supposed "new fresh take" on the character? he did it because the studio and everyone in the
world WANTS the batmobile, not that it was needed. as a year one story, he shouldnt have even added it in, and he shouldnt
have anyways if I knew he would be putting a TANK in here, NOT the batmobile ive come to know and love. and everyone talking about how "it can really
do that sh**!" and "oh man look at it total that cop car! COOL". it really was pathetic. i didnt like how it "jumped roofs", it
just looked totally stupid since we are made to believe this whole "realistic" BS through most of the movie, it just threw
it off balance. that brings up another issue, how did he NOT kill the cops??? that will forever annoy me. ppl complain that
joker killing bruces parents was stupid (which to me, it wasnt, it only added), but batman NOT killing those cops in the cars was EXTREMLY
stupid on the directors part. what an idiot!bale also was totally not right for the role. everything from his lisp, to his
"stiff keanu reeves" wooden acting, to his "bright and cheerful" to "stiff and emotionless" bruce wayne was wrong. and
batman is supposed to be phycotic in a way, so why is bales batman/bruce wayne all "normal" most of the time, acting like all
this is nothing!? oh loddy da! i dress up like a bat at night and in the morning im totally HAPPY and gleeful to see ive made
an impression on the world! oo boy! theatricaity is cool! bale was such a moron, he was playin that whole "peter parker" thing from spiderman, but
bruce wayne ISNT a happy teen with superpowers, hes a scarred emotionally fu**ed up grown man whos a bit on the phycotic
side! this annoyed me. bale was not brooding almost at all, and his "highlander ripoff" fight with liam was i guess supposed
to showcase his "anger" but totally failed to make us feel ANYthing except "man, when does batman come in? this guy is boring
me!".another thing that totally bugged me is "NO originality". this film looked like a ripoff of so many of these crappy
modern day comic book films and bladerunner (which was stupid cuz blade runner LOOKED cool and interesting and had that fantasy look while BB looked boring and stupid and Chicago ). im talkin spiderman, xmen, hulk, it just looked too much like them, and that was a bummer, since i hate these modern day comic book films. BUT i
expected a BATMAN movie to have some sort of originality, what with the dark craziness of the character(s) and the villians, and
the city itself was always a character and always looked awsome in some way like in the burton films and was never recognizable and dark, so why did BB basically make a "spiderman" version of gotham city and Batman? nolan and goyer totally blow.the villians were pretty much throw-away pieces of trash that i would have been better if they got more screen time, but instead we got more "
ditzy-blonde bruce wayne" doing stupid annoying sh** in pools (not even alot of Batman like i thought!). NOT funny everyone! i could have
done without bale bein a total idiot in front of everyone to "throw them off the trail" of his bein batman. he didnt have to do
that sh**, it made bale look dorky in a "peter parker" sorta way, NOT the bruce i know from the comics or the original film.
an older man playing bruce wayne would have been better, so that he could rightfully be called bat MAN, not young batman.
year one story didnt have to be made into a movie, and the origin of batman totally blew. i never found it interesting, and i
DEFINELTY didnt want it to be made into a movie. it wasnt even a GOOD adaptation of THAT. oh brother. caines alfred was
alright, but goughs was the best. caines alfred came off as a total prick in this one, and i cant wait till a new, better alfred
comes in after nolans through with his sh** movies.goyer's script TOTALLY blows. whats with corny ass lines like "i seek the means to fight
injustice" or "gotham isnt beyond saveing" or "i GOT to get one of THOSE" or "its what i DOOOO that defines me!" or "does it
come in black?" or "what does it look like......nevermind" or "nice coat!" (THAT line totally made the sh** hit the fan for
me how horrible!). the batman villians are the most interesting villians in all of comic books, and with burton we got to
see the villians as well as batman and see how each of them affected the other and got good amounts of screen time. with BB,
the villians are scrapped and MADE BORING. how is it possible to make a batman villian boring as heck? i guess theres a first
time for everything (sadly). and whats with katie holmes bein in here? how wrong is that? she should have gotten killed, she
was playin on the "MJ" BS just like bale was playin the "parker" BS. they had no chemistry and holmes should have just stayed
at that Creek, not in movies.
Get a life
Originally posted by braz
yyea i know what ur saying and trust me, i did, even myself find batman begins to come off a little boring...but that was because of all the incomprehensible fight scenes all like .02 seconds long each and u couldnt really take in any action in that movie cuz u didnt know what the hell was goin on! that was my only complaint about begins, but other than that...best movie ive ever seen..hands down
The fight scenes were 20X better than the old ones. The old ones involved Batman standing perfectly still and the bad guys would run at him one at a time. As they ran at him he'd raise his fist or foot and the bad guy would bounce off it and go flying and never stand back up. Come on, like the infamous bad guy runs from behind and Batman backhands the guy over the shoulder. That is some of the worst choreography I have ever seen.
Originally posted by roughrider
Ah...Burton's films ARE comic based; they still carry the Batman name and the familar elements. What I have been saying, is that Burton doesn't respect the comics medium. If you could read the story of Burton's involvement with Superman in the late 90's - the film version that collapsed - his arrogant distain for everything about Superman was shocking. Ideas like no costume, making him a gadget-based character who flies with a supermobile 🤨
By contrast, Batman Begins by Nolan and Goyer treats the legend with respect; his journey is like that of many heroic odysseys from myth. This is made for those who care about Bruce Wayne and why he does what he does. Judging by the great box-office and critical success, it's a large portion of the globe.
I know they were comic based, I meant they weren't as comic based as Begins was... and personally I don't think it mattered in Burton's Batman movies, you still enjoyed watching them. Begins had the right idea they just didn't bring it to the screen as well as I think they could have.
Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
I know they were comic based, I meant they weren't as comic based as Begins was... and personally I don't think it mattered in Burton's Batman movies, you still enjoyed watching them. Begins had the right idea they just didn't bring it to the screen as well as I think they could have.
What should they have done.
AAAAAAHHHHH! if anyone ever tries to write a god damn TOME in this thread again I'm gonna slit my wrists! How can anyone say Batman Begins is not The Best Comic Movie of All Time and probably one of the best films of all time! Burton's a f***king wa**er and should be shot!
F**k off, Burton lovers, you don't care about Batman, you're too busy watching Burton's weird comedic stuff like Nightmare Before Chrimbo to care that he's done similar weird stuff to a franchise that isn't just his and isn't like that! Die, Burton, die! Peace out
Originally posted by Knightfall93
AAAAAAHHHHH! if anyone ever tries to write a god damn TOME in this thread again I'm gonna slit my wrists! How can anyone say Batman Begins is not The Best Comic Movie of All Time and probably one of the best films of all time! Burton's a f***king wa**er and should be shot!
F**k off, Burton lovers, you don't care about Batman, you're too busy watching Burton's weird comedic stuff like Nightmare Before Chrimbo to care that he's done similar weird stuff to a franchise that isn't just his and isn't like that! Die, Burton, die! Peace out
If if this isn't a post that would get you banned,I don't know what is.
Some people are so intimidated by differing opinions 😆
Begins was a brilliant adaption of Batman but it did feel disjointed at times with the lack of atmosphere or urgency within scenes. Thats why I've still held back from buying it because it doesn't share the sense of adventure of the previous films (excluding B+R)
Batman is a superhero that has a serious attitude to his crusade and I can understand if Nolan wants to show that but he's got to make the next films fun to watch instead of these long scenes where you expect something exciting will happen but it fizzles into nothing- then cuts to somewhere else. Like the mansion scene where Bruce tells everyone to get out when Neeson and his ninjas turn up. I expected a huge, martial arts laden fight , with there being so much room and all but it just ends up being another heavy dialogue between them.
Thats my take on it anyway...
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Begins was a brilliant adaption of Batman but it did feel disjointed at times with the lack of atmosphere or urgency within scenes. Thats why I've still held back from buying it because it doesn't share the sense of adventure of the previous films (excluding B+R)Batman is a superhero that has a serious attitude to his crusade and I can understand if Nolan wants to show that but he's got to make the next films fun to watch instead of these long scenes where you expect something exciting will happen but it fizzles into nothing- then cuts to somewhere else. Like the mansion scene where Bruce tells everyone to get out when Neeson and his ninjas turn up. I expected a huge, martial arts laden fight , with there being so much room and all but it just ends up being another heavy dialogue between them.
Thats my take on it anyway...
Another example of what was refered to earlier.
What one person perceives as slow-moving scenes with nothing happening, others perceive as intelligent character development.
Originally posted by Gregory
So, now the only Batman movies that don't have insane anti-fans posting five-thousand word essays about how much they suck are ... Batman Forever and Batman and Robin?
Funny how that worked out.
Originally posted by braz
^burton was good, but still, keaton was outta shape, i mean he couldnt have even taken his shirt off without being exposed as a couch potato, the batsuit i didnt really like in this one...except in batman returns now that one was cool..i just didnt care too much for the one in Batman though, no origin, not enough emotion to get u drawn into the story...stiff action sequences..so ur right, Begins tops em' all i think
thats EXACTLY why Keaton was a horrible casting choice for Batman,that and the fact he is a short runt who was half bald,some people just dont get it though that he was the worst casting choice in comicbook history because of his physical build and wrong look though. 🙄
Originally posted by Silverstein
in Batman Begins you get to KNOW Bruce...it allows you sort of to become attached to the character, sort of like a tragic hero, without the death
yeah you never got to know bruce in the first two batman movies which is why prefer forever over burtons batman movies,you at least got to know him then.Burtons batman movies focused so much on the villains that you never knew that much about bruce wayne.