Batman Begins.........Horrible "reinvention".

Originally posted by Batman Returns
I am a Batman fan, but this movie was just rediculously boring. i mean cmon, a little boy steals a small rock from a little girl, and then he falls down a hole. years later, he is bruce wayne, the only white man in an English-language chinese prison. Bruce is pretty rich back in America, but he had himself sent to a chinese prison so that he could train himself to beat people up, because he's pissed off about his parents getting shot by a mugger. Okay. Then, he meets a guy with some sort of unpronounceable name, and this guy wants Bruce to join his group of evil ninjas. So, Bruce is like, "Evil ninjas? Where do I sign up?" Of course, when the evil ninja training is finished (wich totally sucked) and they want him to kill somebody, Bruce freaks out and burns down the whole place, probably killing quite a few people, very un-Batman like since he vowed not to "kill" anyone(though keatons wasnt a pussy like bale was). Okay. Then, he goes home to rejoin the business world and fight crime. Luckily, he meets a guy at his father's company, and this guy makes superhero equipment for a living. Talk about your happy coincidences.

David Goyer must be stopped. Seriously. I have no idea how anybody could have looked at the script for this ****ing abomination and said, "Hey, I want to make that!" How many lame-brained action movie cliches can you fit into one film? How much cringe-worthy dumbass dialog can you make your overqualified cast choke out? How much cheesy sentimental bullshit can you squeeze into a movie about a guy fighting crime in a modified s&m outfit? If you're David Goyer, the possibilities are endless.

"Why bats, Master Wayne?"
"Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread."

**** you, David Goyer.

Now, don't think that I'm letting Christopher Nolan off the hook, either. Then, there's the rest of the movie. You know, if you're making a brainless action picture (and make no mistake, that's exactly what this is), wouldn't it make sense to maybe show the action? Just a little? Maybe? For christ's sake, in some scenes I don't even know what the **** was going on. Even on the rare occasions where the editing is somewhat coherent and you can get an idea of what's going on, it's still just a bunch of really quick close-ups. Then, for everything that isn't action, it all has to be big, sweeping, epic, even if there's no particular reason for it. Sort of like the music.

Oh, good christ, what the **** is up with the music? Hey, Bruce Wayne, you've got a ****ing orchestra following you around. Maybe you should think about filing a restraining order or get better music. I mean, it's like every scene has this un-majestic sappy score to point out exactly what particular emotion you're supposed to be feeling at this precise moment, thank you very much. This music is definitely Oscar-worthy, by which I mean it sucks. Elfmans was soooo much better, theres no theme here! Okay, okay, on its own maybe the music wouldn't be so bad, but it's pretty ****ing obnoxious to have sucky boring music like this.

And this is just how they make big-budget action movies now, only some of them use inappropriate pop songs in place of an overenthusiastic sappy orchestral score. Jesus christ, that's just plain depressing. Where are the good old ways of making a GOOD Batman movie? ......sad.

I agree with you on one point only and thats the lack of atmosphere, the scenes that should -combined with the right music and directorial flair have you on the edge of your seat- Begins didn't have that.

What is so cheesy about:

"I seek the means to fight injustice"?????

Nothing

Mr Parker, tell this whoever made this thread that Burton and his crap interpretation of Batman sucked @ss

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Amen, Batman Returns... amen!

I think I agree with every single thing you said in that very long and opinionated thread! The movie was greatly boring, Scarecrow was butched and a tank? WHY!

It's good to see someone else who actually has taste!

The only kind of taste he has is horrible.Wow I cant believe there is actually someone else here on this message board who is as clueless about the character of Batman as he is.You two should become best friends.You want to talk about characters that were butchered and tanked,look no further than the Burton Batman movies.Burton raped to death Batmans character. 🙄

Originally posted by Silverstein
Mr Parker, tell this whoever made this thread that Burton and his crap interpretation of Batman sucked @ss

Well I have told him that before.This guy is absolutely clueless about the character of Batman and obviously never read the comic like he falsely claims.Myself and others have taken him to school on that many times.LOL.I dont waste my time with him anymore and if I were you,I would not as well.He's not a batman fan,he's just on here seeking attention trying to get a reaction out of people.Its best to ignore him.question for you? did you even bother to read his posts? Man if he wants people to read his review of a movie,he needs to learn to not make it into a damn novel.I dont got time to read through all that crap.I read about the first four sentences and saw that was just the same old crap,boring boring,blah blah blah from him that he has posted countless of times here before in the past.Funny how he finds a batman movie that had lots of action in it like a batman movie SHOULD have like Begins boring yet he says the burton batman movies which did nothing but have the actors stand around talking practically the whole damn time,exciting isnt it? 😆 that alone speaks volumes about his credibility.He DID get one thing right though,that the man-spider movies are crap. 😄

Originally posted by atharpina
You idiot.

that pretty much sums him up and describes him to a tee. 😂

Originally posted by Silverstein
Tim Burton is a moron when it comes to batman.

So true my friend,so true. 👆

Originally posted by Batman Returns
I am a Batman fan, but this movie was just rediculously boring. i mean cmon, a little boy steals a small rock from a little girl, and then he falls down a hole. years later, he is bruce wayne, the only white man in an English-language chinese prison. Bruce is pretty rich back in America, but he had himself sent to a chinese prison so that he could train himself to beat people up, because he's pissed off about his parents getting shot by a mugger. Okay. Then, he meets a guy with some sort of unpronounceable name, and this guy wants Bruce to join his group of evil ninjas. So, Bruce is like, "Evil ninjas? Where do I sign up?" Of course, when the evil ninja training is finished (wich totally sucked) and they want him to kill somebody, Bruce freaks out and burns down the whole place, probably killing quite a few people, very un-Batman like since he vowed not to "kill" anyone(though keatons wasnt a pussy like bale was). Okay. Then, he goes home to rejoin the business world and fight crime. Luckily, he meets a guy at his father's company, and this guy makes superhero equipment for a living. Talk about your happy coincidences.

David Goyer must be stopped. Seriously. I have no idea how anybody could have looked at the script for this ****ing abomination and said, "Hey, I want to make that!" How many lame-brained action movie cliches can you fit into one film? How much cringe-worthy dumbass dialog can you make your overqualified cast choke out? How much cheesy sentimental bullshit can you squeeze into a movie about a guy fighting crime in a modified s&m outfit? If you're David Goyer, the possibilities are endless.

"Why bats, Master Wayne?"
"Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies shared my dread."

**** you, David Goyer.

Now, don't think that I'm letting Christopher Nolan off the hook, either. Then, there's the rest of the movie. You know, if you're making a brainless action picture (and make no mistake, that's exactly what this is), wouldn't it make sense to maybe show the action? Just a little? Maybe? For christ's sake, in some scenes I don't even know what the **** was going on. Even on the rare occasions where the editing is somewhat coherent and you can get an idea of what's going on, it's still just a bunch of really quick close-ups. Then, for everything that isn't action, it all has to be big, sweeping, epic, even if there's no particular reason for it. Sort of like the music.

Oh, good christ, what the **** is up with the music? Hey, Bruce Wayne, you've got a ****ing orchestra following you around. Maybe you should think about filing a restraining order or get better music. I mean, it's like every scene has this un-majestic sappy score to point out exactly what particular emotion you're supposed to be feeling at this precise moment, thank you very much. This music is definitely Oscar-worthy, by which I mean it sucks. Elfmans was soooo much better, theres no theme here! Okay, okay, on its own maybe the music wouldn't be so bad, but it's pretty ****ing obnoxious to have sucky boring music like this.

And this is just how they make big-budget action movies now, only some of them use inappropriate pop songs in place of an overenthusiastic sappy orchestral score. Jesus christ, that's just plain depressing. Where are the good old ways of making a GOOD Batman movie? ......sad.

YES! **** Goyer indeed! I hate that man! He ruins everything! EVERYTHING HE TOUCHES!

He needs to found and stopped!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Well I have told him that before.This guy is absolutely clueless about the character of Batman and obviously never read the comic like he falsely claims.Myself and others have taken him to school on that many times.LOL.I dont waste my time with him anymore and if I were you,I would not as well.He's not a batman fan,he's just on here seeking attention trying to get a reaction out of people.Its best to ignore him.question for you? did you even bother to read his posts? Man if he wants people to read his review of a movie,he needs to learn to not make it into a damn novel.I dont got time to read through all that crap.I read about the first four sentences and saw that was just the same old crap,boring boring,blah blah blah from him that he has posted countless of times here before in the past.Funny how he finds a batman movie that had lots of action in it like a batman movie SHOULD have like Begins boring yet he says the burton batman movies which did nothing but have the actors stand around talking practically the whole damn time,exciting isnt it? 😆 that alone speaks volumes about his credibility.He DID get one thing right though,that the man-spider movies are crap. 😄

i read like 10% of what he wrote but all i could sum up was "booo hooo, wheeeh, blah blah blah, im a dirty tramp"

he calls batman begins boring, burton's movie was boring as hell, i seriously could not sit through 20mins of it, and i rented it, tim burton butchers every freaking movie ex//batman, willy wonka, planet of the apes...

Originally posted by Batman Returns
well, last night i watched BB again......for the last time. i absolutly hated this version of Batman, it was BORING. i cant
believe nolan made batman boring. i HATED gotham city in this one, it looked so boring and stiff, no atmosphere, no
character, no nothin. nolan could have at least added a little atmosphere, but all we got was a spiderman-looking city wich was
also boring as hell. there were also MANY instances while watrching BB where i kept thinking to myself "RIPOFF." i saw
blatantly obvious ripoffs from both spiderman and the previous batman films. bales "im Batman" totally sucked, it just did, for so many reasons. the buildup to the scene was horrible, we already know who this guy is and why hes batman how he got the suit and all that, so do ppl really expect to be "wowed" by this scene? i sure wasnt, there was no real suspense! no mystery to batman! why no mystery nolan, WHY!? ass. this is something Burton got right but i dont think anyone will ever get the mystrey right, burtons style was perfect for Batman.
correction actually, bales bATMAN totally sucked. that voice he made just screams "poser" and just sounded goofy and wrong. batman doesnt have
to scream to his enemies and look like a goof in that tight-ass cowl.

which brings up another thing that annoyed the piss off outta me, the
costume totally sucked. i HATED bales bat suit, it looked more like a well put together halloween costume, not the bAT suit. the creases were ever-so-noticable, more then any other batsuit made, and they made the suit look horrible and fake.
it looked all "robo-cop" and the cape looked like a BLANKET, not batwings. batman looks now like one of those kids who run around the house with a blanket and goggles on, LOL! just wrong. this isnt the comics, this is a MOVIE where ppl are
gonna have to take you seriously and really think your a Bat man, not a guy in suit. boy was ras right when he said "your
just a man in a cape", i had to laugh out loud at that one, cuz thats EXACTLY what he looked like. Keatons suit (and Batman) was
awsome with the oval and tall sinister ears, hell, even kilmers panther suit had more awsomeness (minus the nipples) then bales piece of trash boring badly done costume. his bat ears were imperceptible and just tiny little things, NOT bat ears i know from comics. they looked stupid. and why couldnt i see the imfamous bat-symbol? cuz it WASNT THERE. what an idiot who designed this suit, if you cant see the symbol, why bother? thats one of the best parts of the suit! and they ruined it! and
all that jazz about how "bale can turn his head!" was total BS. he didnt. it was the same design as previous cowls pretty much. how utterly stupid of them to lie to us.

next thing i hated, the
batmobile. what did they do to it??! it totally sucked, this is NOT the BATmobile, this is a friggin stupid looking montster
truck. Batman would never use this unless he was a crazy old coot, via DKR, not a "young" batman, which i also dont agree with all these "younger" super heros nowadays. why would nolan even bother
adding the batmobile in his supposed "new fresh take" on the character? he did it because the studio and everyone in the
world WANTS the batmobile, not that it was needed. as a year one story, he shouldnt have even added it in, and he shouldnt
have anyways if I knew he would be putting a TANK in here, NOT the batmobile ive come to know and love. and everyone talking about how "it can really
do that sh**!" and "oh man look at it total that cop car! COOL". it really was pathetic. i didnt like how it "jumped roofs", it
just looked totally stupid since we are made to believe this whole "realistic" BS through most of the movie, it just threw
it off balance. that brings up another issue, how did he NOT kill the cops??? that will forever annoy me. ppl complain that
joker killing bruces parents was stupid (which to me, it wasnt, it only added), but batman NOT killing those cops in the cars was EXTREMLY
stupid on the directors part. what an idiot!

bale also was totally not right for the role. everything from his lisp, to his
"stiff keanu reeves" wooden acting, to his "bright and cheerful" to "stiff and emotionless" bruce wayne was wrong. and
batman is supposed to be phycotic in a way, so why is bales batman/bruce wayne all "normal" most of the time, acting like all
this is nothing!? oh loddy da! i dress up like a bat at night and in the morning im totally HAPPY and gleeful to see ive made
an impression on the world! oo boy! theatricaity is cool! bale was such a moron, he was playin that whole "peter parker" thing from spiderman, but
bruce wayne ISNT a happy teen with superpowers, hes a scarred emotionally fu**ed up grown man whos a bit on the phycotic
side! this annoyed me. bale was not brooding almost at all, and his "highlander ripoff" fight with liam was i guess supposed
to showcase his "anger" but totally failed to make us feel ANYthing except "man, when does batman come in? this guy is boring
me!".

another thing that totally bugged me is "NO originality". this film looked like a ripoff of so many of these crappy
modern day comic book films and bladerunner (which was stupid cuz blade runner LOOKED cool and interesting and had that fantasy look while BB looked boring and stupid and Chicago ). im talkin spiderman, xmen, hulk, it just looked too much like them, and that was a bummer, since i hate these modern day comic book films. BUT i
expected a BATMAN movie to have some sort of originality, what with the dark craziness of the character(s) and the villians, and
the city itself was always a character and always looked awsome in some way like in the burton films and was never recognizable and dark, so why did BB basically make a "spiderman" version of gotham city and Batman? nolan and goyer totally blow.

the villians were pretty much throw-away pieces of trash that i would have been better if they got more screen time, but instead we got more "
ditzy-blonde bruce wayne" doing stupid annoying sh** in pools (not even alot of Batman like i thought!). NOT funny everyone! i could have
done without bale bein a total idiot in front of everyone to "throw them off the trail" of his bein batman. he didnt have to do
that sh**, it made bale look dorky in a "peter parker" sorta way, NOT the bruce i know from the comics or the original film.
an older man playing bruce wayne would have been better, so that he could rightfully be called bat MAN, not young batman.
year one story didnt have to be made into a movie, and the origin of batman totally blew. i never found it interesting, and i
DEFINELTY didnt want it to be made into a movie. it wasnt even a GOOD adaptation of THAT. oh brother. caines alfred was
alright, but goughs was the best. caines alfred came off as a total prick in this one, and i cant wait till a new, better alfred
comes in after nolans through with his sh** movies.

goyer's script TOTALLY blows. whats with corny ass lines like "i seek the means to fight
injustice" or "gotham isnt beyond saveing" or "i GOT to get one of THOSE" or "its what i DOOOO that defines me!" or "does it
come in black?" or "what does it look like......nevermind" or "nice coat!" (THAT line totally made the sh** hit the fan for
me how horrible!). the batman villians are the most interesting villians in all of comic books, and with burton we got to
see the villians as well as batman and see how each of them affected the other and got good amounts of screen time. with BB,
the villians are scrapped and MADE BORING. how is it possible to make a batman villian boring as heck? i guess theres a first
time for everything (sadly). and whats with katie holmes bein in here? how wrong is that? she should have gotten killed, she
was playin on the "MJ" BS just like bale was playin the "parker" BS. they had no chemistry and holmes should have just stayed
at that Creek, not in movies.

Die!

id prefer to watch Arnold Schwartzennegers Jingle All The Way than watch batman by burton.

Originally posted by Batman Returns
(continued)

and why wasnt batman a supernatural type creature of the night? he was a boring "karate POW"
flyin like superman el dorko! why did he look like he was flyin through the air? that looked SO STUPID! im not talkin with the
"glider cape" (wich was also really dumb, idea sucked) im talkin with the grapple gun. it looked fake and incredibly stupid considering
batman is NOT SUPERMAN. and why did nolan add in a Q-typ character like stupid lucious who "just so happens" to have all the
gadgets he needs as batman? that was lame. bruce isnt supposed to be bond, he makes his own stuff. instead we get lucious ass who just goes up to random stuff and is like "oooo lookee here! a grapple gun and a
tank-thing! i guess you'll be neededing these when you go out to fight crime!". that was WAY too stupid for even MY
imagination to contrive. even a little kid could write a better way to get his gadgets then goyer can.

the parents death scene sucked as well. it was so cliche and wasnt effective emotionally or powerfully. it was just badly done scene, it was too quick and just plain BORING once again. the one in B89 totally got it right, this was just a horribly done remake of that scene that is in no way as creepy and powerful as the B89 one. a disgrace to the batman stories, what a horrible death scene. could have been SO much better, but nolan sucks so what do you expect.

that constant "fear, fear, FEAR!!!" notion was crammed in your face like a horrible B horror movie, and came off dorky and pretty corny and cliche.
the "i shall become a bat" moment was underplayed, and totally sucked, i expected it to be much more grand. the CG bats looked fake as hell in almost all the
scenes they were in. the bats in Batman Returns looked more real then this turd of a movie. flass wasnt the way he was in the
comic it was being based off of, he looked like a hobo, gordon was an annoying prick who had little to no role in the film (him driveing the batmobile was a SIN, WHY??! how stupid!), scarecrow, one of my
favorite villians from BTAS and the comics, was butchered, and watanabe, the COOL ras (who should have been the real ras) was
wasted. horrible.

the fight scenes and editing sucked. nuff said. this topic has been talked about constantly, im pretty sure the majority of the world has said al;ready how bad the fights were. hollywood, quick cut fighting sucks!!! stop it already! at least in burtons films you could see the fights, they looked 100% better then this begins trash. ugh.

God i cant believe how much i hated this film, so today i went to FYE and traded in my copy of Batman
Begins for a few bucks, it was just too bad to even have in my collection. nolan, you totally disapointed me and made a
horrible batman. you make us feel like we're stupid to like any other version and that yours is "far superior". anybody who
says burtons films suck have no respect for the character, as those were brilliant batman films, and films in general. you my
friend nolan, are wrong. first 2 batman films were the best (even BF was better then this junk), they made a lot of doe, were
extremly successful and now i see why. BB was just a horribe "re-envisioning" of batman and i really hated it, just as i hate the "new" willy wonka remake compared to the original. i cant wait
till another director comes and does a batman that was more like the original 2, more fantasy-like and NOT BORING. that day better come soon. i go to movies to escape into another wold, especially a Batman film. thats NOT what i got with this film. i want my money back.

thnk you for listening.

Well, that last one was harsh, but seriously. You think BURTON beat that? I respect Burton, but this was my favorite Batman movie. My favorite comic book movie. my all-time favorite movie! The greatest moment of my lonely nerd life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You cannot deny the awesome power of this movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everything you said was wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a matter of opinion, you were simply wrong. Go whine about how Mary-Jane was too much like Gwen Stacy, or how Cyclops was underplayed, but stay away from Batman Begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My opinions are more valid cause they have lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Silverstein: i read like 10% of what he wrote but all i could sum up was "booo hooo, wheeeh, blah blah blah, im a dirty tramp"

Somebody is just dripping with maturity!

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Silverstein: i read like 10% of what he wrote but all i could sum up was "booo hooo, wheeeh, blah blah blah, im a dirty tramp"

Somebody is just dripping with maturity!

sorry let me re phrase that. I read 10% of what 'Batman Returns' had to say and it was basically a criticizing of every little thing in batman begins. But they way he criticizes it, sounds like a b*tching whine. How could anyone honestly like the burton bat movies...

-I think people watch superhero movies because they want to see superheroes right?

- Batman Begins has become such a good movie in my opinion because it comes a step closer to reality, how every bat gadget has a real purpose and could possibly be made in the near future. Spider-man (meh movie) was successful because we can all relate to Peter Parker and his struggles in life, Bruce not so much except for the fact that he has fears, etc.

Originally posted by Batman Returns

bale also was totally not right for the role. everything from his lisp, to his
"stiff keanu reeves" wooden acting, to his "bright and cheerful" to "stiff and emotionless" bruce wayne was wrong. and
batman is supposed to be phycotic in a way, so why is bales batman/bruce wayne all "normal" most of the time, acting like all
this is nothing!? oh loddy da! i dress up like a bat at night and in the morning im totally HAPPY and gleeful to see ive made
an impression on the world! oo boy! theatricaity is cool! bale was such a moron, he was playin that whole "peter parker" thing from spiderman, but
bruce wayne ISNT a happy teen with superpowers, hes a scarred emotionally fu**ed up grown man whos a bit on the phycotic
side! this annoyed me. bale was not brooding almost at all, and his "highlander ripoff" fight with liam was i guess supposed
to showcase his "anger" but totally failed to make us feel ANYthing except "man, when does batman come in? this guy is boring
me!".

dude, bruce wayne is not supposed to be some 'psycho' anger-driven crazy ass who hates every second of his life...hes supposed to be 'bruce wayne', what the public knows him as...and when he puts the cowl on, hes batman, and he talks different for intimidation and to conceal his identity..i hope you know that...and bruce wayne is supposed to be happy wtf r u talking about, if he walked around all pissed off like batman does, people would suspect him of being batman...bruce wayne is his dual identity, he smiles, he has a differnent personality, body language ect. from batman...its to CONCEAL HIS IDENTITY...and show he really enjoys life...and y r u even saying bruce is supposed to be pissed off & hate life?? hes a freakin' billionaire playboy with loads of cash and tons of women... 😎 😄

Originally posted by Silverstein
sorry let me re phrase that. I read 10% of what 'Batman Returns' had to say and it was basically a criticizing of every little thing in batman begins. But they way he criticizes it, sounds like a b*tching whine. How could anyone honestly like the burton bat movies...

-I think people watch superhero movies because they want to see superheroes right?

- Batman Begins has become such a good movie in my opinion because it comes a step closer to reality, how every bat gadget has a real purpose and could possibly be made in the near future. Spider-man (meh movie) was successful because we can all relate to Peter Parker and his struggles in life, Bruce not so much except for the fact that he has fears, etc.

i can..

well actually i might have been harsh, how could anyone prefer Burton Batmovies over Batman Begins? and still make sense

Originally posted by Silverstein
well actually i might have been harsh, how could anyone prefer Burton Batmovies over Batman Begins? and still make sense

Um... because the Burton films (even though they were not comic based) are still more interesting and amusing to watch than BB...

Batman Begins puts you to sleep, Burton's films are entertaining.

^burton was good, but still, keaton was outta shape, i mean he couldnt have even taken his shirt off without being exposed as a couch potato, the batsuit i didnt really like in this one...except in batman returns now that one was cool..i just didnt care too much for the one in Batman though, no origin, not enough emotion to get u drawn into the story...stiff action sequences..so ur right, Begins tops em' all i think

i was talking to sliver*