The Bible is based on Astrology..

Started by Zeal Ex Nihilo18 pages

Originally posted by Deano
comparing horus to jesus is another thing you should do too. you will find many similarities

just look at the astrological evidence here''

''When Moses threw out the golden calf, he knew it was the end of the Taurus Age or the fourth age in our present great year. He instructed his followers to get rid of the bull, put lambs' blood on the doors, and place Rams' horns in the temples. By looking at the Master Calendar, the Mazzaroth, or the Zodiac in the heavens, anyone could see that it was the dawning of the Age of Aries the ram or lamb. It was the start of the fifth age in our current great year.

after aries was pisces (jesus) the age we are still in now. and the supposed birthdate of jesus was the start of the age of pisces.

the next one is aquarious the water bearer. 2150. jesus even tells you so himself in the passage i mentioned earlier.

im not saying there isnt no god. i dont know what god is. But i know what he isnt


Could you please explain to me how, exactly, Christ marked the "age of Pisces"? Furthermore, the idea that Moses instructed the Israelites to destroy the golden calf because it was the end of the "age of Taurus" is ridiculous, as is the suggestion that the sacrificial lambs and rams were used to mark the "age of Aries."

Good grief. Because, like, the Israelites wouldn't ever sacrifice lambs and rams.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
the idea that Moses instructed the Israelites to destroy the golden calf because it was the end of the "age of Taurus" is ridiculous
More like 900 years off imo.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I maintain that it does. No, I don't care if that doesn't count.

First Ad Hominem, and now Slothful Induction; argument failure total.

Re: The Bible is based on Astrology..

Originally posted by debbiejo
Judaism and Astrology

Astrology is very common in Judaism. Astrological motifs exist in proliferation throughout the major Judaic holy books: the Torah, Zohar, Talmud, and Midrash, etc,. Many scholars have attempted to explain these passages away, but their arguments are spurious and often ludicrous. One Jewish writer's book on astrology was penned so that Jews who were tempted to seek truth in areas outside of orthodox Judaism (new age, occultism, eastern mysticism, etc) should remain where they are and be contented since within Judaism there is an occult college to be tapped, one which includes not only Kabala, but Astrology.

Clearly, astrology existed long before the rise of Judaism and early "Jews" were major star worshippers. Scholars attempt to re-write the story of Jehovah's creation of the universe so that it can appear that Jehovah created the zodiac and therefore it is okay for Jews to acknowledge astrology. It is even said that Jews would be guided by their horoscopes if they did not have the Torah. Lets witness the careful supplanting and duplicity for ourselves, by reviewing a few passages from M. Glazerson's book on Judaism and the zodiac. In his book, entitled: Above the Zodiac, we read:

In the Code of Jewish Law (vol. 1 Ch. 179 Par.1), we find a prohibition against the consultation of one's astrological forecast...Not withstanding the prohibition, Rabbi Moshe Isserles (Code of Jewish Law. Vol 179 Par.2) hands down a decision that, "One who has heard a forecast from a competent astrologer may take this information into account, and ought not to act contrary to the astrological influence... (Page 9)

The Zohar (Vol III P. 216) states, "From the time that the Torah was given to Israel the Israelites were withdrawn from the rule of the stars and constellations: however, if one does not follow the ways of the Torah, he returns to be under the domain of the natural influences - (Page 9)

This is a most revealing passage. It tells us that the Jewish rabbis and authorities know that astrology works. They take a fairly lenient attitude with it, and even think of astrology as an aid to living a moral life, as dictated by the Torah. (Judaism as a religion is vastly more lenient and egalitarian than Christianity). The passage also lets us know that the Jews, before the advent of the Torah were most likely assiduously committed to the science of astrology, so much so that its study is not considered wholly banished or reprehensible. In another passage, we clearly see the careful sophistry which subtly allows one to form their own lenient opinion on the connections between Torah and Zodiac.

In the Talmud we find various statements regarding the influences of the astrological signs on the Jewish people...Nachmanides writes: "The edicts of the stars constitute the basis of the hidden miracles mentioned in the Torah. However, the Jew, through the power of his choice and through his walking in the way of the Torah, may rise above the astrological influences - (Page 10)

Not being able, or even willing to wholly dispense with the science of astrology, the Jewish scholars then had to make astrology appear endorsed by God himself. The signs of the zodiac existed long before Judaism, that could not be refuted, but a Jewish coloring could subsequently be given to the signs and their meanings. In this way, later generations would perhaps accept that astrology, as a science, originated with the Jews. Jewish scholars probably realized that their religious customs and idioms were so littered with astrological motifs, that it would be an impossible task to ignore astrology, and that it would not be feasible to advocate that astrology played no part in Judaism. Therefore, it was decided to not only tacitly endorse astrology, but to add to the astrological canon a patently Jewish veneer.

http://www.taroscopes.com/astro-theology/astro-theology3.html

The 33 years of Christ's ministry
This is a number that connects directly with the zodiac and the movement of the sun around it. As mentioned above, the sun takes 2,160 years to pass backward through one sign of 30 degrees. Now this number 2160 or its shorter version 216, is a number that turns up in megalithic construction throughout the world. It was encoded into most of the cyclopean structures, to represent the Serpent or Sidereal Cults who were the Magi, or astrologers. Now it takes 2,160 years for the sun to clear a house. In degrees this is 30. But the sun enters at the 30th degree but is not totally clear until the 33rd degree, as it is of a certain size also. This is why they said in the Bible that the ministry of Christ begins at 30 and finishes at 33. This reference would have been unmistakable to anyone aware of the secrets of astrology. The number is connected to the initiation of the "Sun" of god not "Son," passing through the zodiac. This is why the Freemasonic lodges also utilize the number. There are also 33 vertebrae in the spinal column.

I think that's very interesting and fascinating.

But it ultamately doesn't matter to me. I call Christianity, Judaism, and Astrology "myth", but that does not mean I insult them.

To me, a "Myth" is a creative reflection of Truth.

If people can benefit from these myths, or find some constructive direction by them, I have no problem with that.

I only have a problem when people try to base Laws on thier myths.

I think it is funny that a lot of the refutations to this thread do not include links.

Apparently, none of this is innate or definite fact. Why not provide links also?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
First Ad Hominem, and now Slothful Induction; argument failure total.

Good thing I wasn't trying to make a cogent argument.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I only have a problem when people try to base [b]Laws on thier myths. [/B]

So, is trying to derail a thread a hobby of yours, or does it occur by accident?
Originally posted by chithappens
Apparently, none of this is innate or definite fact. Why not provide links also?

Because it's pretty much common knowledge that the "we three kings" crap is not biblically supported.

Furthermore:

http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

The Exodus took place around 1210 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age

Neil Mann interpretation: began in ca. 4300 BC and ended in ca. 2150 BC.

Shephard Simpson interpretation: began ca. 4525 BC to ca. 1875 BC


So, yeah. As usual, debbiejo's thread hits the dust because of facts.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I maintain that it does. No, I don't care if that doesn't count.

See, you retards have to get your stories straight. One day, it's that Christmas was invented to overwrite pagan worship (this would be backed historically); the next day, it's that we're worshiping the sun (this would be backed by conspiratards).

*blink* Are you really that dumb to the link?

Worshiping the sun Celebrating the end of the solstice IS the ****ing pagan holiday.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I mean, really.

Oh, and to break your little theory: nowhere in the Bible does it say that there were "three kings." It says there were magi, and there is no number given.

Oh really? I've always been told of the 3 kings/wise men following the east star. Show me the verse of the "Magi".

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
So, you fail. As usual. Back to the drawing board on how to disprove Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Christianity

Hey, Deano? Shut up.

You guys fail harder than Magic Johnson's immune system.

We fail? You believe a man named God invented everything from magic, even though you don't say magic. How the hell can you personify the creator of the world?

But anyway, astrology and paganism is basically what was believed before, then came christianity who thought we need meaning in life and some more bollocks. Iy's just a lie.

The Magi were astrologers.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Could you please explain to me how, exactly, Christ marked the "age of Pisces"? Furthermore, the idea that Moses instructed the Israelites to destroy the golden calf because it was the end of the "age of Taurus" is ridiculous, as is the suggestion that the sacrificial lambs and rams were used to mark the "age of Aries."

Good grief. Because, like, the Israelites wouldn't ever sacrifice lambs and rams.

errm look at the symbology. if you dont see it then thats probably because you dont want to see it.

the moses/ram symbology is apparent also. its quite obvious really. the guy coming down from the mountains to delivery a message from god is an old story.

'Moses is only a continuation of the law-giver line, which includes Manou of India, Minos of Crete, and Mises of Egypt, as well as others, who were all given the laws of God, sometimes on a mountain-top.''

Originally posted by Deano
'Moses is only a continuation of the law-giver line, which includes Manou of India, Minos of Crete, and Mises of Egypt, as well as others, who were all given the laws of God, sometimes on a mountain-top.''
Please, for the love of intelligence actually look this up. You will find that none of these are actually legitimate.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Worshiping the sun Celebrating the end of the solstice IS the ****ing pagan holiday.

Oh really? I've always been told of the 3 kings/wise men following the east star. Show me the verse of the "Magi".

Except Christianity never ever did that. Ever. They simply put their celebration of Jesus's birth on that date so that Christians would not be tempted to partake in pagan festivals and so that they could others away from it.

"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem"
- Matthew 2:1

Read the whole chapter and you won't find their being three of them anywhere.

Yeah, three astrologers reading the stars.. 🙄

There is a legend that their names were Gaspar, Melchior, and Balthasar –

In the Gospel of St. Matthew, ch. Mt 2:1-12 the Magi appear as "wise men"--properly Magians --who were guided by a star from "the east" to Jerusalem, where they suddenly appeared in the days of Herod the Great, inquiring for the new-born king of the Jews, whom they had come to worship. As to the country from which they came, opinions vary greatly; but their following the guidance of a star seems to point to the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates, where astronomy was Cultivated by the Chaldeans

No one said they weren't astrologers. There simply weren't three. And the idea of them all coming from Chaldea is based on some very shaky premises.

Originally posted by lord xyz
*blink* Are you really that dumb to the link?

Worshiping the sun Celebrating the end of the solstice IS the ****ing pagan holiday.


Yes. Because the Church wanted to "overwrite" the pagan celebration.
Oh really? I've always been told of the 3 kings/wise men following the east star. Show me the verse of the "Magi".

The magi were probably astrologers. The Bible never gives the number of magi--and, given your posting habits with regard to Christianity, I would assume this ignorance is merely the tip of the iceberg.
We fail? You believe a man named God invented everything from magic, even though you don't say magic. How the hell can you personify the creator of the world?

This is a red herring. You can't disprove God--but I have disproved your claims.
But anyway, astrology and paganism is basically what was believed before, then came christianity who thought we need meaning in life and some more bollocks. Iy's just a lie.

🙄
Originally posted by Deano
errm look at the symbology. if you dont see it then thats probably because you dont want to see it.

Pisces = fish. Several times in the Gospels there are references to fish, but saying that Jesus's feeding the five thousand with fish as evidence of the AGE OF PISCES (omgwtfbbq) is retarded. Furthermore, the fish symbol was adopted by early Christians in yet another attempt to "overwrite" paganism.
the moses/ram symbology is apparent also. its quite obvious really. the guy coming down from the mountains to delivery a message from god is an old story.

...Because no one would ever sacrifice rams. Like that time that they did in Genesis 22 with Abraham, except that is before Moses's time.

The stupidity in this thread has reached epic levels. Debbiejo + lord xyz + Deano = catastrophic meltdown of mental faculties.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Yes. Because the Church wanted to "overwrite" the pagan celebration.
So you admit it.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
The magi were probably astrologers. The Bible never gives the number of magi--and, given your posting habits with regard to Christianity, I would assume this ignorance is merely the tip of the iceberg.
I question christianity, you, for some reason, don't.

This is a red herring. You can't disprove God--but I have disproved your claims.[/B][/QUOTE] You can't disprove Vishnu, Santa or Xinu, now since you believe God by the fact that it can't be disproven, you should also believe in Vishnu, Santa and Xinu.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
🙄

Pisces = fish. Several times in the Gospels there are references to fish, but saying that Jesus's feeding the five thousand with fish as evidence of the AGE OF PISCES (omgwtfbbq) is retarded. Furthermore, the fish symbol was adopted by early Christians in yet another attempt to "overwrite" paganism.

Isn't this overwriting paganism, the same as stealing their beliefs to control the people to follow christianity and basically, lying?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
...Because no one would ever sacrifice rams. Like that time that they did in Genesis 22 with Abraham, except that is before Moses's time.

The stupidity in this thread has reached epic levels. Debbiejo + lord xyz + Deano = catastrophic meltdown of mental faculties.

Dude, you're saying they didn't steal the beliefs off of astrology and paganism, they adopted them so everyone would believe the bullshit of christianity as truth...That's what we're saying!

You're saying Christianity used pagan symbols so people wouldn't believe in paganism, we're saying Christianity is based off of it. SAME THING!! Except, you're giving the reason why.

Originally posted by Nellinator
No one said they weren't astrologers. There simply weren't three.
True. The number wasn't clear just as people felt they visited Jesus as a baby, which again the Bible never said. It is supposed he was a young child.

Originally posted by debbiejo
True. The number wasn't clear just as people felt they visited Jesus as a baby, which again the Bible never said. It is supposed he was a young child.
Very true also. When Jesus was visited is never stated. Many misconceptions come from typically harmless traditions that are then misconstrued.

Originally posted by lord xyz
So you admit it.

Uh...it's historically verifiable.
I question christianity, you, for some reason, don't.

Your questions are dumb.
You can't disprove Vishnu, Santa or Xinu, now since you believe God by the fact that it can't be disproven, you should also believe in Vishnu, Santa and Xinu.

Another red herring. We're not talking about them, and my reasons for belief--look, a straw man from you--are not based on the inability to disprove God.
Isn't this overwriting paganism, the same as stealing their beliefs to control the people to follow christianity and basically, lying?

No, it's not.
Dude, you're saying they didn't steal the beliefs off of astrology and paganism, they adopted them so everyone would believe the bullshit of christianity as truth...That's what we're saying!

Stealing beliefs is not the same as stealing practices.
You're saying Christianity used pagan symbols so people wouldn't believe in paganism, we're saying Christianity is based off of it. SAME THING!! Except, you're giving the reason why.

No, that's not the same thing. At all. In fact, it's not even close.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Yes. Because the Church wanted to "overwrite" the pagan celebration.

The magi were probably astrologers. The Bible never gives the number of magi--and, given your posting habits with regard to Christianity, I would assume this ignorance is merely the tip of the iceberg.

This is a red herring. You can't disprove God--but I have disproved your claims.

🙄

Pisces = fish. Several times in the Gospels there are references to fish, but saying that Jesus's feeding the five thousand with fish as evidence of the AGE OF PISCES (omgwtfbbq) is retarded. Furthermore, the fish symbol was adopted by early Christians in yet another attempt to "overwrite" paganism.

...Because no one would ever sacrifice rams. Like that time that they did in Genesis 22 with Abraham, except that is before Moses's time.

The stupidity in this thread has reached epic levels. Debbiejo + lord xyz + Deano = catastrophic meltdown of mental faculties.

grow up

you can also look at the popes hat and see the symbology. plus the fact that jesus's supposed birthdate is the very same year as the start of the pisces age.

Precession of the Equinoxes.The ancient Aegyptians, along with cultures long before them, recognised that
approximately every 2,150 years the sunrise on the morning of the Spring Equinox would occur under a different sign of the Zodiac.

This has to do with a slow angular wobble that the Earth maintains as it rotates on it’s axis.

It is called precession because the constellations in this cycle go backwards, rather than the normal yearly cycle. The amount of time for the procession to go through all 12 signs is roughly: 25,765 years or ~ 26,000 solar years.

This 25,765 solar year cycle is also called The Great Year. Ancient societies were very aware of this.

They referred to each 2,150 year period as an Age.

From 4,300 BC to 2,150 BC it was the Age of Taurus the Bull.

From 2,150 BC to 1 AD it was the Age of Aries the Ram(moses)

From 1 AD to 2,150 AD it is the Age of Pisces, the Age we are still in to this day.(jesus)

In and around 2,150 AD we will enter the New Age, the Age of Aquarius, 2,150 AD to 4,300 AD.

In The Gospel of Luke, chapter 22 verse 10, when Jesus is asked by his Disciples where the next Passover will be after he is gone, here comes the foreshadowing of the fourth Age, Jesus replied:“ Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a
pitcher of water…follow him into the House where he entereth in.” This line of scripture is by far the most revealing astrotheological references.The man bearing the pitcher of water is Aquarius, the water bearer.

Aquarius is always pictured as a man pouring out a pitcher of water.
This water-bearer represents the Age after Pisces, when the Sun, God’s Son/Sun, leaves the Age of Pisces/Jesus and go into the House of Aquarius. Aquarius follows Pisces in the precession of the equinoxes.All Jesus is saying, is that after the Age of Pisces will come the Age of Aquarius.

The Bible reflects, broadly speaking, a symbolic movement through three ages, while foreshadowing a fourth. In the Old Testament book of EXODUS, the second book of the Bible, when Moses comes down Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments, he is very upset to see his people worshipping a golden bull. In fact he shatters the stone tablets and instructed his people to:”Go in and out from gate to gate and slay every man, his brother, and every man, his companion, and every man his neighbor…”

EXODUS 32This was in order to ‘purify’ themselves.Most Biblical scholars will attribute this anger to the fact that the ‘Israelites’ were worshipping a false idol, or something to that effect. This idol has been attributed to be many things and many demonic deities belonging to the pantheon of the Canaanites. Regardless of what, or whom, the golden bull was called by the Israelites or the Canaanites, the bull in fact is Taurus the Bull. Moses represents the Herald of the New Age of Aries the Ram.
Many of you have seen the sculpture of Moses, with the horns protruding from his head, most famously in Michelangelo’s sculpture. There are also countless occult artworks from the Middle Ages portraying the same thing.

You are told ‘this is due to a mistranslation of ‘horn’ and ‘ray’
That is a lie you’ve been deliberately told through the ages to keep you
from understanding the truth. The horns were placed there very deliberately. Michelangelo did not make mistakes. They symbolise Moses as the herald of the New Age of the time. The Age of Aries the Ram.

Look very carefully at the sculpture of Moses in the baptismal above.
Does he appear to be human? or more so a ram?This is why Jews today blow the ram’s horn.

Upon the New Age everyone must shed the old age.
Upon the end of the Age of Taurus, everyone had to shed it for the Age of Aries.Other deities marked these transistions as well, such as Mithra.
Mithra was a pre-Christian god who kills the bull. This painting and the
sculpture below of Mithra sacrificing the bull are astro-theological.
Also notice the dog and the serpent lapping at the Bull’s blood. This
is not artistic license, they are there for a reason.
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you can see the lack of common sense or truth in all religions. they are there to merley enslave us and keep us seperate from each other

if you want to believe in all this then thats your rights and i respect that. but i think you do so only cos of fear of the unknown. the fear that there might be nothing after death, so you must believe in something, you must have that hope.

i can only assure you that there is no death, conciousness is eternal. you dont have to worry about going to hell because there is no hell. its there to install fear.

The more you begin to investigate what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we’re doing, the more you begin to understand that we’ve been lied to. We’ve been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that’s never been touched? The religious institutions of this world are at the bottom of the dirt. The religious institutions of this world are put there by the same people who set up your governemnt, your corrupt education, your banking cartels, because our masters don’t give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about and that’s controlling the whole damn world. We have been mislead from the true and divine presence in the universe that men have called God. I don’t know what God is, but I know what he isn’t. And unless, and until you are prepared to look at the whole truth, and wherever it may go, whoever it may lead to…If you want to look the other way, or play favorites, well somewhere along the way you’ll find out you’re messing with divine justice. The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from, the more obvious things become, and you begin to see lies everywhere. You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.

anyone with a brain can see the connections

There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. No archaeological evidence, no written evidence, nothing. So it is with Solomon, Moses, David, Abraham, Samson and countless other biblical ‘stars’. All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel stories in their various versions. So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable. More than 40 writers are known to have chronicled the events of these lands during the alleged time of Jesus, but they don’t mention him.48 A guy who did all the things that he was supposed to have done and no-one records it? Philo lived throughout the supposed life of Jesus and wrote a history of the Judeans which covered the whole of this period. He even lived in or near Jerusalem when Jesus was said to have been born and Herod was supposed to have killed the children, yet he doesn’t record any of this. He was there when Jesus is said to have made his triumphant arrival in Jerusalem and when he was crucified and rose from the dead on the third day. What does Philo say about these fantastic events? Nothing.
Not a syllable. Not a titter. None of this is mentioned in any Roman record or in the contemporary accounts of the writers of Greece and Alexandria who were familiar with what happened there.

Why?

Because it didn’t happen. It was a symbolic, coded story to pass on esoteric and astrological knowledge of many kinds and, most crucially, to create another prisonreligion based on the symbols of the Babylonian Brotherhood.

The human race has been had. Big time.''

Moses is around 1500-1100BC. Age of Taurus ends 2150BC. There can be no connection.

Jesus is specifically referred to as a lamb. He is the way of the new covenant the lamb that was sacrificed for our sins. Jesus is a lamb, not a fish. He is not connected with fish, he is connected with being the Lamb of God. So no, He did not herald Pisces at all.

The disciples are based off the twelve tribes of Israel which originates from a group of thirteen brothers. One of the disciples is cast out. There is no connection.

etc. etc.

These grow tiresome.