Moses is around 1500-1100BC? thats the time you have heard but it is most probably inacurate
nice trythough
there is not a shred of evidence outside the bible of someone called jesus, yet you believe in him so. regardless of the lack of logic
so you coming in here trying to debunk things is rather silly
Originally posted by Deano
grow up
Originally posted by Deano
Moses is around 1500-1100BC? thats the time you have heard but it is most probably inacurate
there is not a shred of evidence outside the bible of someone called jesus, yet you believe in him so. regardless of the lack of logicso you coming in here trying to debunk things is rather silly
Coming from you, that's almost a compliment.
"Deano the conspiracy theorist retard who ignores coherent arguments against his stupidity thinks I'm dumb?"
I guess I'd hate it if you thought I were smart.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloThen why deny it?
Uh...it's historically verifiable.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloYou're not smarter by being more offensive.
Your questions are dumb.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloWow, talk about missing the point. I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Shiva, Santa or the boogeyman.
Another red herring. We're not talking about them, and my reasons for belief--look, a straw man from you--are not based on the inability to disprove God.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloTo be fair, our soul point is that Christianity is based off of Astrology. You say it's based off of paganism, but the paganism is the astrology. So really, you can't argue.
No, it's not.Stealing beliefs is not the same as stealing practices.
No, that's not the same thing. At all. In fact, it's not even close.
Originally posted by lord xyzYou have a lack of reading comprehension skills. You need to separate art and festivals from foundations.
Then why deny it?You're not smarter by being more offensive.
Wow, talk about missing the point. I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Shiva, Santa or the boogeyman.
To be fair, our soul point is that Christianity is based off of Astrology. You say it's based off of paganism, but the paganism is the astrology. So really, you can't argue.
ou have a lack of reading comprehension skills. You need to separate art and festivals from foundationsYou need to have an understanding between the festivals and laws and types of festivals. Some were never done away with.
As for the years that Moses lived, there are contradictions....Even some Egyptians. Meaning that Moses did become some what more intense a subject than what other sources would supply.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Then why deny it?
You're not smarter by being more offensive.
Wow, talk about missing the point. I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Shiva, Santa or the boogeyman.
To be fair, our soul point is that Christianity is based off of Astrology. You say it's based off of paganism, but the paganism is the astrology. So really, you can't argue.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Refute my arguments.I demonstrated a source that has a ton of research backing those claims.
Argumentum ad hominem, and this is coming from the guy who thinks the lizard people are in charge?
Coming from you, that's almost a compliment.
"Deano the conspiracy theorist retard who ignores coherent arguments against his stupidity thinks I'm dumb?"
I guess I'd hate it if you thought I were smart.
unlucky.
actually the reptilian(alien) theory is far more plausible than christianity i would bet 😉. it is more logical.
and yes you are pretty dumb. BUT there is still time for you to evolve yet
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
It's actually Manu of India, and Menes of Egypt.
thanks. either way thats more evidence to show that moses is another repackaged myth
Matthew
2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Luke
21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
That sounds like Astrology to me.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Refute my arguments.
haha you coudlnt even refute mine
the bible is mostly based on astrology with the rest of the story being entirely fiction.
use your brain
and nellinator you havent a clue. they were all lawgivers passed onto them from god. The name is even a giveway.
you believe in a bullshit story with no evidence what so ever. its best you just leave. faith is all you have in your locker.
Originally posted by Deano
haha you coudlnt even refute minethe bible is mostly based on astrology with the rest of the story being entirely fiction.
use your brain
and nellinator you havent a clue. they were all lawgivers passed onto them from god. The name is even a giveway.
you believe in a bullshit story with no evidence what so ever. its best you just leave. faith is all you have in your locker.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
You fail. I have disproven your arguments with historical data. I showed you how the Age of Taurus and the golden calf don't coincide based on historical research. Either refute what I've written or shut up.
When you say the golden calf, I assume you are talking about the story in the bible about the ten commandments.
There is a problem with your "historical data" Other then the bible, there is no conformation that Moses ever existed. If Moses did not exist, then the story of the golden calf is just a story that can be any time period you like.
As I am about to relate the last days of a famous city, it seems appropriate to throw some light on its origin. Some say that the Jews were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighbouring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighbouring countries. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbours to seek a new dwelling-place. Others describe them as an Assyrian horde who, not having sufficient territory, took possession of part of Egypt, and founded cities of their own in what is called the Hebrew country, lying on the borders of Syria. Others, again, assign a very distinguished origin to the Jews, alleging that they were the Solymi, a nation celebrated in the poems of Homer, who called the city which they founded Hierosolyma after their own name.
Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods. The people, who had been collected after diligent search, finding themselves left in a desert, sat for the most part in a stupor of grief, till one of the exiles, Moyses by name, warned them not to look for any relief from God or man, forsaken as they were of both, but to trust to themselves, taking for their heaven-sent leader that man who should first help them to be quit of their present misery. They agreed, and in utter ignorance began to advance at random. Nothing, however, distressed them so much as the scarcity of water, and they had sunk ready to perish in all directions over the plain, when a herd of wild asses was seen to retire from their pasture to a rock shaded by trees. Moyses followed them, and, guided by the appearance of a grassy spot, discovered an abundant spring of water. This furnished relief. After a continuous journey for six days, on the seventh they possessed themselves of a country, from which they expelled the inhabitants, and in which they founded a city and a temple.
- Tacitus. Histories, Book 5
34 As for Judaea, its western extremities towards Casius are occupied by the Idumaeans and by the lake. The Idumaeans are Nabataeans, but owing to a sedition they were banished from there, joined the Judeans, and shared in the same customs with them. The greater part of the region near the sea is occupied by Lake Sirbonis and by the country continuous with the lake as far as Jerusalem; for this city is also near the sea; for, as I have already said, it is visible from the seaport of Iopê. This region lies towards the north; and it is inhabited in general, as is each place in particular, by mixed stocks of people from Aegyptian and Arabian and Phoenician tribes; for such are those who occupy Galilee and Hiericus and Philadelphia and Samaria, which last Herod surnamed Sebastê. But though the inhabitants mixed up thus, the most prevalent of the accredited reports in regard to the temple at Jerusalem represents the ancestors of the present Judaeans, as they are called, as Aegyptians.
35 Moses, namely, was one of the Aegyptian priests, and held a part of Lower Aegypt, as it is called, but he went away from there to Judaea, since he was displeased with the state of affairs there, and was accompanied by many people who worshipped the Divine Being. For he says, and taught, that the Aegyptians were mistaken in representing the Divine Being by the images of beasts and cattle, as were also the Libyans; and that the Greeks were also wrong in modeling gods in human form; for, according to him, God is this one thing alone that encompasses us all and encompasses land and sea — the thing which we call heaven, or universe, or the nature of all that exists. What man, then, if he has sense, could be bold enough to fabricate an image of God resembling any creature amongst us? Nay, people should leave off all image-carving, and, setting apart a sacred precinct and a worthy sanctuary, should worship God without an image; and people who have good dreams should sleep in the sanctuary, not only themselves on their own behalf, but also others for the rest of the people; and those who live self-restrained and righteous lives should always expect some blessing or gift or sign from God, but no other should expect them.
36 Now Moses, saying things of this kind, persuaded not a few thoughtful men and led them away to this place where the settlement of Jerusalem now is; and he easily took possession of the place, since it was not a place that would be looked on with envy, nor yet one for which anyone would make a serious fight; for it is rocky, and, although it itself is well supplied with water, its surrounding territory is barren and waterless, and the part of the territory within a radius of sixty stadia is also rocky beneath the surface. At the same time Moses, instead of using arms, put forward as defense his sacrifices and his Divine Being, being resolved to seek a seat of worship for Him and promising to deliver to the people a kind of worship and a kind of ritual which would not oppress those who adopted them either with expenses or with divine obsessions or with other absurd troubles. Now Moses enjoyed fair repute with these people, and organized no ordinary kind of government, since the peoples all round, one and all, came over to him, because of his dealings with them and of the prospects he held out to them.
- Strabo. The Geography, Book XVI, Chapter 2
You see, you are wrong.
Originally posted by DeanoProve from a credible source then please. The fact is that you won't. Go back to the ignorance of zeitgeist, the adults are trying to talk here.
haha you coudlnt even refute minethe bible is mostly based on astrology with the rest of the story being entirely fiction.
use your brain
and nellinator you havent a clue. they were all lawgivers passed onto them from god. The name is even a giveway.
you believe in a bullshit story with no evidence what so ever. its best you just leave. faith is all you have in your locker.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonIt's an interesting topic I think. What we see is that God forbids practices of sorcery and astrology to the Jewish people, but God is seen using these methods to reach people who are lost in them. Balaam in the case of sorcery and astrology in the case of the wise men.
Astrology is "signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars". So, is the bible saying that Astrology is real?
Originally posted by Nellinator
...It's an interesting topic I think. What we see is that God forbids practices of sorcery and astrology to the Jewish people, but God is seen using these methods to reach people who are lost in them. Balaam in the case of sorcery and astrology in the case of the wise men.
So, you see it as god using astrology as an expedient means. That is the most reasonable argument I have heard yet. 😄