dvampire theres no point in fighting it. thanos wins doesnt matter if superman is a hondred time stronger or faster the thanos.................. the reason why thanos wins is because no one can see superman defeating thanos..... i no that normal superman all out can give thanos a run for his money but others cant see that happening. they would say something like thanos pulls a magic teleportaion out his ass and sends superman to a red sun.
and this is before death banished thanos SO HE AINT IMMORTAL
Originally posted by slade10
1. Thanos teleports both of them into a red sun. Proceeds to tear superman's head off.2. Thanos blows up the sun with cosmic energy. Proceeds to tear superman's head off.
3. Thanos takes every blow superman has until the sun dies a natural death. Proceeds to tear superman's head off.
Superman has nothing in his powerset to harm thanos. If thanos can take full-on attacks from galactus, tyrant, and odin in asgard, superman (sun-dipped or otherwise) is not going to harm him one bit. I don't think he's ever been harmed by physical attacks. No one lower than a cosmic energy wielder/matter manipulator has even been able to touch him. No one, afaik, has ever really ko'd him, other than warlock with the soulgem (which wasn't really a ko). Punches and heat certainly aren't going to do the trick.
On the other hand, I doubt superman even sun-dipped can take a single focused blow/blast from thanos. A guy who can ko surfer with ease, and hurt tyrant has massive power output. The sun may be superman's power source, but thanos is powered by the ambient cosmic energy present throughout the universe. Thanos is ALWAYS, as it were, sun-dipped.
Thanos didnt take full on hits from galactus. Galactus said that he actually needed to expend effort to breach thanos's forcefield. Then galactus crushed thano's little field and the titan begged for galactus to hear him out. Thanos admitted that tyrant would have killed him if they kept going at it, but thanos was smarter and left. All he's got is odin and everyone owns odin.
Originally posted by dvampire
Take a look at his respect thread....
where he is no doubt fighting sub-herald enemies.
And, yes, when sun-dipped, superman turns into quite a powerhouse. I imagine he can fight herald-levels when sun-dipped (if they didn't exploit radiation weakness).
But virtually none of the enemies superman faces can destroy stars/planets with a single blow/blast. EVERY enemy that thanos faces has at least that sort of power, including his weakest foes (surfer, etc) whom he slaps away like flies.
Anyone post the scans where superman loses to cynthonna while sun-dipped? That should provide some evidence as to his durability/power in the sun....
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Thanos didnt take full on hits from galactus. Galactus said that he actually needed to expend effort to breach thanos's forcefield. Then galactus crushed thano's little field and the titan begged for galactus to hear him out. Thanos admitted that tyrant would have killed him if they kept going at it, but thanos was smarter and left. All he's got is odin and everyone owns odin.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Thanos didnt take full on hits from galactus. Galactus said that he actually needed to expend effort to breach thanos's forcefield. Then galactus crushed thano's little field and the titan begged for galactus to hear him out. Thanos admitted that tyrant would have killed him if they kept going at it, but thanos was smarter and left. All he's got is odin and everyone owns odin.
He blasted galactus to the ground, and blew off his helmet. Cosmics have trouble doing that against a non-weakened galactus. I doubt galactus was playing nice while his head was being burned by cosmic energy.
And everyone owns odin? Like who? A celestial? And remember this is in Asgard, where odin's power is amplified an untold amount...
Originally posted by The Ion
God Thanos is so oversold on this forum. Anyone who thinks Thanos is physically stronger than Sundipped Supes is smoking high quality reefer.
He regularly fights and beats enemies with the power gem in physical battles. (champ, drax, wm thor) He went toe to toe with warrior madness thor (and imo, was hurting him). And he hurt tyrant (a near-galactus level power) with a PUNCH.
Superman, on the other hand, lost a physical battle with cynthonna while sun-dipped.
Who's smoking reefer, now?
It's true thanos hasn't lifted things in comics very often. But when you're fighting enemies on skyfather+ level, throwing cars, boulders, or even buildings around isn't going to do much for you.
Thanos KO'ing Thing with a flick of his fingers.
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Thanos beating drax in a physical battle that destroys half a planet
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Thanos blocking a cosmic blast from surfer (a guy who flies through black holes unscathed) with a wave of his hand, and pounding him close to death (implying that his fists do more damage than a black hole). Then teleports away with no apparent tech.
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Thanos going toe to toe with TYRANT in a physical battle
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Thanos physically fighting thor, hulk, thing, and hercules simultaneously
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Thanos (in crossover) battling wonder woman, thor, captain marvel, and green lantern in a physical fight, with no apparent effort.
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You're telling me this guy's physical strength is OVERrated? When people think supes even without sun-dipping is stronger than him? Absent wielders of the power gem (which technically should give infinite strength) and cosmics, there might not be ANYONE physically stronger in the marvel universe.
Btw, this is normal strength in all cases (no power gem, cosmic cube, etc), except arguably the fight with tyrant.
I don't have the scans. Why do you think I've been asking someone else to post them?
IIRC, he loses to her badly, gets sun-dipped, then does a little bit better (but still is losing) until she gets pulled in by the sun's gravity, hit with kryptonite, and falls into the sun. I don't remember the exact details. But it was pretty clear that she wasn't a planet/star destroying sort of threat. It was also pretty sad that she got trapped by the sun's gravity. (though it's true that, as an ice creature, she was probably weakened by the fire)
I dont' think it's necessary in any event. If you know anything about thanos' apperances, and superman's comics, it's abundantly clear that superman is outclassed here, sun-dipped or otherwise. Thanos fights teams more powerful than the entire JLA (e.g. the infinity watch) as a warmup for his real fights -- against guys like tyrant. The above isn't a feat list (these are low-level feats for thanos, other than the tyrant fight) -- it's just an illustration of pure physical strength.
See, thats what I'm talking about when I say overblown. Thanos is not anywhere near Tyrant's level. The whole comic and not just 3 scans proved that. He's not skyfather level. Saying Tyrant is a real match for Thanos is ridiculous.
From what I've seen of Thanos on this forum and read in various comics, the guy often has a ton of prep and technology at his disposal as well as CIS protecting him. For example, Surfer never using on speed on Thanos. I do give him credit though. He's durable like few others.
As for Cynthonna, I'll have to see that issue myself. I have a hard time believing Clark lost in the sun to someone under herald level as you claim without a plot reason considering he's beaten herald level people without a sundip.
Superman does not beat herald level people without a sundip. Let's definte what we're talking about here. A technical herald has a portion of galactus' power, and can destroy a planet/star with minimal effort. They are also versatile like few other creatures in the universe (strength, durability, speed, energy projection, matter manipulation). They are essentially mini-cosmics.
Do you have any idea how powerful silver surfer is, for example? He manipulates matter on a planetary scale, takes blows from class 100+ characters without budging, and (in crossover) treated orion like a fly.
And thanos has punked him (and many many others with similar powers) repeatedly -- in one instance with PHYSICAL blows.
As to whether thanos is skyfahter level, that is debatable. He went blow for blow with odin IN ASGARD, and nearly snatched gungnir from his hands. It's not clear to me any other skyfather-level entity could do this (does anyone think zeus could do that well against odin in asgard? while odin was wielding gungir?), so my own opinion is that he's skyfather+.
That's also the only explanation for how he can, for example, blast an UNweakened galactus to the ground.
PS Speed is irrelevant when you're fighting herald+. EVERYONE has FTL speed and reactions.
Originally posted by thesilverspider
To be fair when the surfer fights Thanos it's always some major CIS.For example the surfer forgets that he has other powers besides energy blast.A well written surfer would beat Thanos in my eyes just like a well written Green lantern kyle would superman.
What other powers is he going to use? his cosmic energy blast is his most powerful weapon. And thanos hardly notices it.
OBviously, by your name I see you're a surfer fan. And I will concede that surfer has godlike power. But when he is literally smashed every time by thanos, that should tell you something about their relative powers.
And do you honestly think surfer could do anything close to what thanos did to galactus? or to tyrant? Let's be realistic here...
Originally posted by slade10
Anyone who is herald level should have at least the powers/versatility of a herald... why else would you call them herald level?
Odin wasn't phased a bit by Thanos. That's not what I call going blow for blow. Great show of durability for Thanos though.
Originally posted by slade10
What other powers is he going to use? his cosmic energy blast is his most powerful weapon. And thanos hardly notices it.OBviously, by your name I see you're a surfer fan. And I will concede that surfer has godlike power. But when he is literally smashed every time by thanos, that should tell you something about their relative powers.
Energy blast is his most powerful weapon but not necassarily the most effective.Such as his fight with lunatik who surfer trapped in the planets eco system.Surfer doesn't use his speed or any matter manipulation what so ever against Thanos.
Originally posted by thesilverspiderEnergy blast is his most powerful weapon but not necassarily the most effective.Such as his fight with lunatik who surfer trapped in the planets eco system.Surfer doesn't use his speed or any matter manipulation what so ever against Thanos.
because thanos channels more and more powerful cosmic energy/matter manipulation (turning a skrull into stone) than srufer does, so it would be pointless to even try....
I can see "well-written, he wins" when two characters are relatively close in power. But c'mon, every time these guys run into each other thanos demolishes him (see the earlier scan as well), or is shown to be vastly inferior (odin fight, wm thor fight, tyrant fight). If you know about these two guys, you know one guy is in a league above the other. And it's not the good guy.
