Revan vs Exar Kun (without Sith amulets/power amplification)

Since people really need the proof shoved down their throats 🙄 ...

You need your hands cut off so I don't have to read your bullshit fanboyism any longer.

Revan learned from Tulak Hord's holocron, and hence directly learned from the teachings of the best duelist. You have to provide the proof that Tulak wasn't the best duelist, because my source is straight from Kreia.

No he didn't! First of all, In KOTOR, he never EVER recieves a Holocron from his tomb. Second of all, Kreia says WHOEVER HAS THE HOLOCRON IS MOST LIKELY DEAD AND THAT THE PERSON WHOM BEARS IT IS UNKNOWN!

You're a dirty liar.

Kreia is not a reliable source and asking me to prove a negative is.... LOGICAL FALLACY!

Okay. I say Kit Fisto is the best duelist. Does that mean it's true or that it is proof? Why hell no!

Kreia mentioned, if you have high enough influence with her, that Revan was her superior in force mastery. I wish I could give you a direct quote, but since it's in game its kind of hard, and I am not the type of person who memorizes video game lines.

So Kreia said: If you have high influence with me, I shall tell you Revan was powerful in the force.
Exile: But you just told m....
Kreia: NAY! I am all knowing Kreia and my say is Canon say! HUZZAH!

If you can't show it, If you can't remember it, IF NONE OF US HAVE SEEN IT...

It's fallible, Non Canon and is most likely unexistant.

He learned secrets from
Korriban
Malachor 5
tombs of the sith lords proof --> Adjunta Pall recognizing Revan

Every Sith lord does their research and Revan isn't the only one to have learned secrets.

Ajunta Pall WANTED TO BE FREED! He would have asked anybody!

Accomplishments
single handedly defeated all the dark jedi in the Star Forge and all the star forge droids.

Had help from party. Provide proof he killed them all. Hell, provide proof he killed more than five. Is it Canon that he murdered all of them? Didn't think so.

Defeated Mandalore and Yusanis without his lightsabre or force powers

It is unknown how he defeated them. He could have had help, like he did with almost everything else in KOTOR.

Dueled and won against Malak (who was empowered with the force essence of several Jedi in conjuction with darkside energies of the Star Forge)

In my game, Revan sucks the power out of the Republic soldiers as well.

Won the Mandalorian wars

Like he is the first Sith Lord to win a war... F*ck....

Was a genius at engineering--> created HK

Good for him! Anakin was a kid when he built a droid fluent in over a Million different languages.

It's also irrelevant to this arguement.

These facts alone account for how Revan is Exar's equal at the very least.

Facts? I haven't seen any yet/

By the end of Kotor, Revan was searching for the ancient Sith empire in hopes of defeating it and ensuring the safety of the galaxy. We assume that he succeeded since the galaxy wasn't royally f***** after the events of KOTOR/KOTOR2. It's undeniable the amount of skill he picked up with his sabre, and the amount of knowledge he amassed was considerably higher than what Exar has gained. At this point it is really obvious that Revan is old Exar's superior.

For all you know, he walked around Force storming everyones ass! You have no proof that he can take Exar in a Lightsaber duel AT ALL!

Done and Done. I shake the dust off from under my feet. 🙂

Good. Next step would be for you to shake that Fanboy crap out of your arrogant head.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Since people really need the proof shoved down their throats 🙄 ...

I think you need some intelligence shoved in between your ears...meh...

Revan learned from Tulak Hord's holocron

You have no proof for this. It's pure game content IF you find the holocron or not. I've gone through KotoR 4 or 5 times and I got it once. And mention how Kreia says that "the holocron is lost" and not "Revan took it away".

and hence directly learned from the teachings of the best duelist.

Since you can't proof that Revan even got Tulak Hords holocron, you can't simply assume that he learned from it and call that proof. And the "best duellist" ? Kreia calls him "the best lightsaber duellist among the ancient Sith Lords who would make people from our [Kreia's, Exile's, Revan's] time look like children fighting each other with toys].

That means that Tulak is better with lightsabers than any other ancient Sith with is laughable because he's the only ancient Sith ever stated to have used that weapon and he's better than the people in Kreia's time. This would include Revan but not Exar and this statement doesn't include the Jedi before Kreia's time. So "best duellist" is clearly hyperbole.

You have to provide the proof that Tulak wasn't the best duelist, because my source is straight from Kreia.

He's only the best lightsaber fighter among the Ancient Sith - so among people who didn't use lightsabers. Can Marka Ragnos - the "Dark Lord of the Dark Lords", the "most powerful among godlike beings" wielding "a Sith Sword that is more powerful than a lightsaber" can take Tulak down ? Most likely.

Kreia mentioned, if you have high enough influence with her, that Revan was her superior in force mastery. I wish I could give you a direct quote, but since it's in game its kind of hard, and I am not the type of person who memorizes video game lines.

We have already seen that you aren't the type of person to remember lines from video games. Then maybe you are wrong with all your comments here because they are based on video game lines. Nice work destroying the base for your entire argument.

And if you still want to argue based on video game lines:
Freedom Nadd > Revan and Malak (as stated)
Exar Kun > Freedom Nadd
therefore Exar Kun > Revan

He learned secrets from
Korriban
Malachor 5
tombs of the sith lords proof --> Adjunta Pall recognizing Revan

Korriban: Visited by Exar Kun 40 years before Revan and Exar took knowledge away. Visited by Freedom Nadd before and he also took knowledge away. So Revan clearly had access to less knowledge from Korriban than Exar Kun before.

Malachor V: Planet was devastated in the end of the Mandalorian Wars. So even if you want to assume that Revan discovered it at the beginning of the Mandalorian Wars you don't want to tell me that he learned everything from an "storehouse of Sith knowledge" in 3 years.

Tombs of the Sith Lords: Ajunta Pall can't remember Revan because Revan - if he had visited the tomb before - was wearing a face mask. Not to mention that Ajunta doesn't even know his own name. And also notice how all the Sith in the Valley tell you that "nobody entered the tombs before" or "nobody who did came out again". The only exception is Naga Sadow's tomb.

And notice how Exar had access to Korriban, the tombs of the ancient Sith Lords before Revan. Add Ossus, Freedom Nadd, Nadd's tomb, Yavin 4 (writings from Naga Sadow).

Accomplishments
single handedly defeated all the dark jedi in the Star Forge and all the star forge droids.

This is directly contradicted by game evidence. We know that he had 2 friends with him so saying that he did it "on his own" is laughable. Even if you take everything that "had to be done alone" he only defeated 6 droids (after he first confronted Malak on the SF), Bastilla and Malak.

Defeated Mandalore and Yusanis without his lightsabre or force powers

This is laughable. We know that he defeated them but it's never stated how. It's ridiculous to assume he did it without his lightsaber or force powers. It's even mentioned by the Handmaiden that Revan has proven his "Jedi powers" (which would include lightsaber / force use) superior to the powers of the Echani by defeating Yusanis.

And for Mandalore: Ulic Quel-Droma has defeated Mandalore before and Ulic is inferior to Kun himself. So what ?

Dueled and won against Malak (who was empowered with the force essence of several Jedi in conjuction with darkside energies of the Star Forge)

Now what ? First "several Jedi" ? If you run around and destroy the bodies after Malak drains the first he only takes the life energy from one other Jedi.

Won the Mandalorian wars
Was a genius at engineering--> created HK

Will he install a Mass Shadow Generator on the planet where they fight and blow it up when Exar Kun enters it ? Will he start building another HK droid while fending of Exar ? Otherwise I don't see how that will help him in this fight.
And by the way: Exar Kun created a Sith amulet similar to Naga Sadows meaning it was able to "blast through walls" and "instakill persons". I wonder how HK 47 is more impressive...

These facts alone account for how Revan is Exar's equal at the very least.

These "facts" only show that Revan was possibly the most powerful person in his own time but he wasn't leagues above every other like Exar was who threw other force users arround like ragdolls, destroyed one of the best fighters in the Jedi Order (Vodo) effortless, killed another Jedi master with a hand movement and it took the combined power of all the Jedi to stop him - and even this failed partitially since he was still arround 4,000 years later...

By the end of Kotor, Revan was searching for the ancient Sith empire in hopes of defeating it and ensuring the safety of the galaxy. We assume that he succeeded since the galaxy wasn't royally f***** after the events of KOTOR/KOTOR2. It's undeniable the amount of skill he picked up with his sabre, and the amount of knowledge he amassed was considerably higher than what Exar has gained. At this point it is really obvious that Revan is old Exar's superior.

This is just arguing possibilities as proof. Obviously Revan didn't destroy the Sith since they were around 4,000 years after his time. And as we don't know what he did - or if he did anything and IF he did something how he did it you can't simply assume that he did something the way you like him doing it. And Exar was declared Dark Lord of the Sith by the most powerful Sith Lord of the Ancient Sith Empire. I wonder how Revan can have done more impressive things involving the Ancient Sith - even when he took control over the remains of the Ancient Sith Empire after the events of KotoR.

Done and Done. I shake the dust off from under my feet. 🙂

The dust coming from your destroyed "arguments" and "proof" ? Nice...

He shouldn't be back...you both just pwnt him.

Hey, Kreia in game (teh uber sowrce) told me to kill General Vaklu. So, canonically, he must be dead.

See? I can do it too!

Nah he'll be back it is probably somewhere in the fanboy bible

1) Thou must always return and declare victory even though thy opponent has destroyed thy argument

Oh yeah. Amen.

Well also he never responded to my quote from Kreia stating that the Exile was the strongest person she had ever trained including Revan.

Thus, OMG teh Exile pwns du Revan WOOT!

Amen.

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
Well also he never responded to my quote from Kreia stating that the Exile was the strongest person she had ever trained including Revan.

Thus, OMG teh Exile pwns du Revan WOOT!

Oh yes. Apparently Kreia's opinions are only canon when they favor Revan.

LOL!

But it is very true, anyway I think the debate here is done unless someone else wants to try their hand at defending Revan?

If not, Exar wins

I can tell you people can get a little feisty when messed with... just to let you know I'm laughing my ass off at you people getting POed at what I'm saying... It's like I'm the only free radical and you guys are the conformists... Its hilarious... and by the way... I may not have been here as long as you have, but I'm not a noob... also notice I have not become enraged in any way shape or form... while you on the otherhand have already blown your top... that's not good debating form in my book...

Just cause we are right, doesn't make us comformists. That is your excuse for being wrong.

I didn't say you were wrong... see your anger is blinding you...

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
I can tell you people can get a little feisty when messed with... just to let you know I'm laughing my ass off at you people getting POed at what I'm saying... It's like I'm the only free radical and you guys are the conformists... Its hilarious... and by the way... I may not have been here as long as you have, but I'm not a noob... also notice I have not become enraged in any way shape or form... while you on the otherhand have already blown your top... that's not good debating form in my book...

The fact that you look at yourself in the way you do and the way you act make you more a noob then you can possibly know.

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
I didn't say you were wrong... see your anger is blinding you...

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
The fact that you look at yourself in the way you do and the way you act make you more a noob then you can possibly know.

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
how would you know how I look at myself unless you were a stalker and/or my shadow?

Originally posted by Darth Magnevus
I can tell you people can get a little feisty when messed with... just to let you know I'm laughing my ass off at you people getting POed at what I'm saying... It's like I'm the only free radical and you guys are the conformists... Its hilarious... and by the way... I may not have been here as long as you have, but I'm not a noob... also notice I have not become enraged in any way shape or form... while you on the otherhand have already blown your top... that's not good debating form in my book...

great... now your going to start a multiple quote thread just for me? you people sicken me... If not for the hilarity of your running around like chickens with their heads cut off, I would have left a long time ago...

Feel free to leave anytime, if you don't like it leave, no one is keeping you here, it's your lack of a real life, and half-hoping for us to insult you, just for the attention.