Green Lantern hal jordon vs Silver Surfer (no power absorbing)

Originally posted by TheKahn
I think that was when Thanos had the IG and was nearly all powerful. He could raise the dead or just about anything else he wanted. And I don't know weither that would make GL's transmuting powers greater as they hardly seem to use them, but didn't Hal want the Oan energy to bring the people of coastal city back from the dead? So maybe with enough energy a GL could create and/or restore life. But I don't think it matters in this fight.

Makes sense.

Hal actually did re-create Coast City. From all the memories he had, he was able to make the town along with living people. Only thing is that everyone was green. Hal started to run out of energy and thats the reason for wanting the OA'n enrgy. The Guardians made a specific rule not to use the rings power for personal gain. Hal gained a whole city. If the ring didnt have to recharge, there probably wouldnt have been a rampage by Hal. Maybe eventually, but not then. But youre right. All can be done with enough energy.

Originally posted by slade10
It says "every atom of this dead world."

And show scans of transmuation. I'd like to see this.

In any event, the more fundamental point is that GLs regularly lose to enemies that would be a cakewalk for surfer. And they almost always need assistance, or some plot device, to fight star-destroying enemies like surfer.

If you know both of these characters and their appearances in comics, it is very very hard to argue that a GL can win, unless you think he can just drain cosmic energy from surfer. But that has been excluded by OP, and it is just as likely (if not more likely) that surfer could drain the GL ring.

Here is the surfer

Originally posted by TheKahn
Here is the surfer

Sorry that was unclear. I meant I'd like to see the GL transmutation. I knew SS could transmute.

Originally posted by slade10
Sorry that was unclear. I meant I'd like to see the GL transmutation. I knew SS could transmute.

Sorry 😮

Originally posted by jrodslam
Makes sense.

Hal actually did re-create Coast City. From all the memories he had, he was able to make the town along with living people. Only thing is that everyone was green. Hal started to run out of energy and thats the reason for wanting the OA'n enrgy. The Guardians made a specific rule not to use the rings power for personal gain. Hal gained a whole city. If the ring didnt have to recharge, there probably wouldnt have been a rampage by Hal. Maybe eventually, but not then. But youre right. All can be done with enough energy.

He created an energy construct that resembled Coast City. Not actual, material, Coast City.

In fact, this was hinted in the GL vs Surfer crossover. Hal needed the power cosmic to create the actual matter.

Originally posted by slade10
Sorry that was unclear. I meant I'd like to see the GL transmutation. I knew SS could transmute.

Here is a GL transmuation

Originally posted by slade10
It says "every atom of this dead world."

And show scans of transmuation. I'd like to see this.

In any event, the more fundamental point is that GLs regularly lose to enemies that would be a cakewalk for surfer. And they almost always need assistance, or some plot device, to fight star-destroying enemies like surfer.

If you know both of these characters and their appearances in comics, it is very very hard to argue that a GL can win, unless you think he can just drain cosmic energy from surfer. But that has been excluded by OP, and it is just as likely (if not more likely) that surfer could drain the GL ring.

Surfer also says "Below me lies Lathkolas. A grey, dying world that was once likeEarth. A green paradise."

I really dont feel like putting all the scans, but ill put a couple. Visit the GL respect thread.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/4d2db178.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7848ee1e.jpg

Like stated so many times on this forum, low points shouldnt be used in debating battles. Surfer has draind his energy within seconds and needed a nap. He then was ko'd by Namorita. Hes also struggled to beat Vision. Low showings prove nothing.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer also says "Below me lies Lathkolas. A grey, dying world that was once likeEarth. A green paradise."

I really dont feel like putting all the scans, but ill put a couple. Visit the GL respect thread.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/4d2db178.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7848ee1e.jpg

Like stated so many times on this forum, low points shouldnt be used in debating battles. Surfer has draind his energy within seconds and needed a nap. He then was ko'd by Namorita. Hes also struggled to beat Vision. Low showings prove nothing.

The point of that example was to show that he was manipulating every atom on the world. Dead/dying makes no difference. I'm not sure what the distinction is. For a matter manipulator, atoms are atoms.

Those are interesting examples, but they're also from what year? No one would use the orange juice example to show that lex can time travel; you shouldn't use old dc comics to prove current capabilities.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He created an energy construct that resembled Coast City. Not actual, material, Coast City.

In fact, this was hinted in the GL vs Surfer crossover. Hal needed the power cosmic to create the actual matter.

Its hard to say imo. I would call it a construct, but he wasnt drawing energy from his ring the whole time. True it wasnt matrail Coast City, but everything/everone was there and functioned on its own. Even the kids and animals.

In the GL vs Surfer corssover, i thought Hal needed all the power just to make things perminant. Plus on a larger scale. He states he didnt have enough power. Just like when he first tried in a way. At least thats what i thought.

Originally posted by slade10
The point of that example was to show that he was manipulating every atom on the world. Dead/dying makes no difference. I'm not sure what the distinction is. For a matter manipulator, atoms are atoms.

Those are interesting examples, but they're also from what year? No one would use the orange juice example to show that lex can time travel; you shouldn't use old dc comics to prove current capabilities.

Surfers energy was flowing through every atom in the world. You mentioned that he brought beings back to life. That was never shown. A plant was shown. Until shown otherwise, you cant assume.

It doesnt matter what year the scans were shown. GL's havent been depowered. Are the Surfer scans you showed current? No. They are just more current than the GL ones. Doesnt meant they cant do them anymore. Time is irrelevant in this case. Because a character hasnt done a feat in years means they cant? Especially if not depowered in anyway? Because Surfers feats are more recent means he can do them but GL cant? Dont think so.

i shall compare the potential between a herald and a a GL there was a GL who had mastered his powers so well he actually fought Parallax under his own power and was winning it was not untill parallax broke away his human counterpart that the GL lost i think while when Surfer was trying to gain the full potential of himself or at least the cosmic bands that quasar usually uses all he could do was lead a weak galactus around but its already been stated that galactus got fed up with him and pimped slaped him.

Originally posted by Mider
i shall compare the potential between a herald and a a GL there was a GL who had mastered his powers so well he actually fought Parallax under his own power and was winning it was not untill parallax broke away his human counterpart that the GL lost i think while when Surfer was trying to gain the full potential of himself or at least the cosmic bands that quasar usually uses all he could do was lead a weak galactus around but its already been stated that galactus got fed up with him and pimped slaped him.

Comparing Galactus to Parralax? Not even close.

Anything Surfer can do with the power cosmic, GL can do with his ring, and vice versa.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its hard to say imo. I would call it a construct, but he wasnt drawing energy from his ring the whole time. True it wasnt matrail Coast City, but everything/everone was there and functioned on its own. Even the kids and animals.

In the GL vs Surfer corssover, i thought Hal needed all the power just to make things perminant. Plus on a larger scale. He states he didnt have enough power. Just like when he first tried in a way. At least thats what i thought.

It was an energy construct of his memories. If it were a bric and mortar Coast City, your argument would be more valid.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It was an energy construct of his memories. If it were a bric and mortar Coast City, your argument would be more valid.

I guess. 😬

parallax would defeat galactus in a second less you wanna say that galactus can hold off the spectre and recreate the universe i dont think so

Originally posted by Mider
parallax would defeat galactus in a second less you wanna say that galactus can hold off the spectre and recreate the universe i dont think so

Everyone knows how Parralax recreated the universe. He did it using the irregularity in space time caused by the Crisis. Any strong willed GL who knew how to do it could have done it. It wasn't a feat of pure power.

Everyone holds off the Spectre.

Galactus eats Parralax.

Yeah know with the power cosmic Norrin was given the ability to understand all his abilities and how to use them this with speedblitz there is no way a GL should be able to beat him given human limitations.

Ring warns Lantern of upcomig potential threats. If theres no time, the ring auto-protects the wearer instead.

and that still doesn't address the fact the ring needs to be charged. Once that occurs this match is over, Norrin wins simple.

So are you saying that the fights lasts 24 hours and thats the only way Surfer is winning?

If thats the case, then i agree.

However in Kyles case, he doesnt need charging after 24 hours methinks.