Originally posted by jrodslam
And Surfer was cleaning everything that was polluted. The so called soil was from pummeling the rock.Transmutaion abilities? Like turning bullets into flowers? Or turning himself and others into energy? Or turnng himself into a metal robot?
Disentegrated rock is gravel, not soil. I didn't see him pummeling anything. If you are doubtful of whether or not Surfer can transmute matter, let me assure you; he can.
I knew you'd come up with something. 😉
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Disentegrated rock is gravel, not soil. I didn't see him pummeling anything. If you are doubtful of whether or not Surfer can transmute matter, let me assure you; he can.I knew you'd come up with something. 😉
Dont blame me. It was John who said "Pulverize the surface to provide soil." Im only assuming the surface of that asteroid was rock.
I dont doubt Surfer can transmute matter. Has he ever done it to a person?
Originally posted by jrodslam
And Surfer was cleaning everything that was polluted. The so called soil was from pummeling the rock.Transmutaion abilities? Like turning bullets into flowers? Or turning himself and others into energy? Or turnng himself into a metal robot?
There's a difference between resurrecting a world by touching/manipulating atoms, and moving soil or pummeling rock. The former shows a degree of power/control that the latter lacks. Much as a telepath cleaning a room with his mind woudl be different from me cleaning my room with my hands.
I'm guessing most of those "transmutation" exampels involved green constructs. That's different from transmutation. No one doubts that GLs can use constructs. I'm wondering whether he can transmute elements or change matter states instantly. I've never seen this done.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Dont blame me. It was John who said "Pulverize the surface to provide soil." Im only assuming the surface of that asteroid was rock.I dont doubt Surfer can transmute matter. Has he ever done it to a person?
Not blaming anything on anyone. I'm just assuring you that he can transmute matter.
Not really sure. Closest thing I've seen is him transmute Impossible Man into Wolverine. Once it was beleived that he had turned Spiderman into stone, when he had actually encased him in solid energy.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Dont blame me. It was John who said "Pulverize the surface to provide soil." Im only assuming the surface of that asteroid was rock.I dont doubt Surfer can transmute matter. Has he ever done it to a person?
Don't think so, but there's no reason to doubt that he could.
He fights cosmic entities and energy wielders who have similar abilities, so there's no point in even trying to turn, for example, thanos into stone. Because thanos has the same power (and thus presumably can resist any attempt to use it).
Originally posted by slade10
Don't think so, but there's no reason to doubt that he could.He fights cosmic entities and energy wielders who have similar abilities, so there's no point in even trying to turn, for example, thanos into stone. Because thanos has the same power (and thus presumably can resist any attempt to use it).
An argument I once used. But, this power is like Flash's ability to make people explode. Until it's proven beyond reasonable doubt, one shouldn't use it in debate.
Originally posted by slade10
Don't think so, but there's no reason to doubt that he could.He fights cosmic entities and energy wielders who have similar abilities, so there's no point in even trying to turn, for example, thanos into stone. Because thanos has the same power (and thus presumably can resist any attempt to use it).
Also, SS is a pacifist so he doesn't go for the kill by transmuting people.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Also, SS is a pacifist so he doesn't go for the kill by transmuting people.
Which doesn't make sense, if he can create life. If he can turn someone to stone and bring them back to life, why not do so to avoid confrontation?
On the other hand, is Surfer capable of turning inanimate stone into a living human being with conciousness?
Originally posted by slade10
There's a difference between resurrecting a world by touching/manipulating atoms, and moving soil or pummeling rock. The former shows a degree of power/control that the latter lacks. Much as a telepath cleaning a room with his mind woudl be different from me cleaning my room with my hands.I'm guessing most of those "transmutation" exampels involved green constructs. That's different from transmutation. No one doubts that GLs can use constructs. I'm wondering whether he can transmute elements or change matter states instantly. I've never seen this done.
Since you got the scans from a respect thread(like most of us do), we dont know if he resurrected the entire planet. You havent shown that. You have shown Sufer helping plants to grow. Like CC said, Surfer said dying world, then he says dead world. We dont know if EVERYONE on the planet is dead. Therefore we dont know if he resurrected people on the planet. It was never shown.
And no the GL transmutation's dont show green constructs. When changing himself and others to energy, they were just that in an orange-yellow type color. When changing his structre to metal, while his hand was broke off, there were wires inside. When changing energy blasts to confetti it was pink and blue(i believe). No green constructs. When changing nuclear missile into snow, the snow was green however. As well as the bullets turning into green daisies.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Which doesn't make sense, if he can create life. If he can turn someone to stone and bring them back to life, why not do so to avoid confrontation?On the other hand, is Surfer capable of turning inanimate stone into a living human being with conciousness?
He can't create life or bring the dead back to life. If he turns someone to stone, he kills them
Originally posted by jrodslam
Surfer transmuting people shouldnt kill them. When GL does it, it doesnt kill. I too once believed he did it to Spidey and DD, but it came to be that they were only encased in the enrgy as CC stated.
I know that you can't be too strict when it comes to comic physics, but if SS turns someone to stone how will they keep on living? Stone isn't alive and once the cells of your body change, then you die. And as SS can't create life, he shouldn't be able to change you back.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I know that you can't be too strict when it comes to comic physics, but if SS turns someone to stone how will they keep on living? Stone isn't alive and once the cells of your body change, then you die. And as SS can't create life, he shouldn't be able to change you back.
Hmmm. If thats true, then it would seem as if GL's transmutting powers are a notch above Surfers.
I still dont think one would die if turned into stone. Was it Thanos who turned heroes into stone? Or were they merely encased?
Originally posted by jrodslam
Hmmm. If thats true, then it would seem as if GL's transmutting powers are a notch above Surfers.I still dont think one would die if turned into stone. Was it Thanos who turned heroes into stone? Or were they merely encased?
I think that was when Thanos had the IG and was nearly all powerful. He could raise the dead or just about anything else he wanted. And I don't know weither that would make GL's transmuting powers greater as they hardly seem to use them, but didn't Hal want the Oan energy to bring the people of coastal city back from the dead? So maybe with enough energy a GL could create and/or restore life. But I don't think it matters in this fight.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I think that was when Thanos had the IG and was nearly all powerful. He could raise the dead or just about anything else he wanted. And I don't know weither that would make GL's transmuting powers greater as they hardly seem to use them, but didn't Hal want the Oan energy to bring the people of coastal city back from the dead? So maybe with enough energy a GL could create and/or restore life. But I don't think it matters in this fight.
No, he turned a skrull into stone without the IG. Then he flicked his fingers and KO'd the Thing.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Since you got the scans from a respect thread(like most of us do), we dont know if he resurrected the entire planet. You havent shown that. You have shown Sufer helping plants to grow. Like CC said, Surfer said dying world, then he says dead world. We dont know if EVERYONE on the planet is dead. Therefore we dont know if he resurrected people on the planet. It was never shown.And no the GL transmutation's dont show green constructs. When changing himself and others to energy, they were just that in an orange-yellow type color. When changing his structre to metal, while his hand was broke off, there were wires inside. When changing energy blasts to confetti it was pink and blue(i believe). No green constructs. When changing nuclear missile into snow, the snow was green however. As well as the bullets turning into green daisies.
It says "every atom of this dead world."
And show scans of transmuation. I'd like to see this.
In any event, the more fundamental point is that GLs regularly lose to enemies that would be a cakewalk for surfer. And they almost always need assistance, or some plot device, to fight star-destroying enemies like surfer.
If you know both of these characters and their appearances in comics, it is very very hard to argue that a GL can win, unless you think he can just drain cosmic energy from surfer. But that has been excluded by OP, and it is just as likely (if not more likely) that surfer could drain the GL ring.