would you go to heaven if you committed suicide?

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
Well, first off if you're going to call a wambulance over a few consecutive posts I'll stop. Sorry. No need to cry about it. I still think you were avoiding the subject at hand, and that in itself is spamming.

And secondly, your statement and your beliefs contradict each other. You're saying that all people who commit suicide go to hell, and yet Jesus killed himself. If Jesus indeed let himself be sacrificed to save humanity, he committed suicide. And yet, he went to heaven!

And what about all the Christians that chose to die before denouncing the name of the Lord? Do they go to hell, simply because they chose not to live? Like I said, martyrs are exempt from hell if they choose to die in the Lord's name. Your religion demands you to recognize this.

Yes. The Bible teaches that the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Spirit; that is, to, in essence, spit at God's sacrifice and not ask for forgiveness.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Yes. The Bible teaches that the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Spirit; that is, to, in essence, spit at God's sacrifice and not ask for forgiveness.

Why would it matter to God what a human did?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would it matter to God what a human did?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Because we are God's creation, designed for worship and made in His image.

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
Well, firstly I dont know what a "wambulance" is.
Secondly, Jesus (Let me add that it is "IN MY BELIEF" so you don't go haywire.) was put ONTO the Cross and did not kill himself but decided to pass on to save our sins. Call that suicide if you may, but I see no potential form of killing onesself in that statement.
And thirdly, my religion allows me to recognize that Suicide is the evilist sin to commit. But that's just us, obviously, believing that, and getting bashed with a stick about.

Suicide can be defined as “the act or an instance of taking one’s own life voluntarily and intentionally.”

Jesus voluntarily gave up his life in the name of God. He could have simply denied his charges of blasphemy and would have been freed, but he chose to do what he felt God wanted him to do and that involved taking his own life. You can choose to word it however you want, but the facts are there and you can't deny that. It might have been a passive suicide, but it was suicice nonetheless.

And what about that girl who was shot at Columbine? When that kid held a gun to her head and asked her if she believed in God, and she said yes, and as a result she was shot and killed. Does she go to hell?

Personally, I think that God is more forgiving than anyone could imagine. Your dogmatic views and your refusal to admit when you are wrong are hardly admirable traits.

It’s okay to admit when you are wrong. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, you know. Suicide, however, is not.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Because we are God's creation, designed for worship and made in His image.

That is egotistical. God does not need. Maybe your god does need, but then he is not complete. A god that is not complete is a false god.

But he's A Savior to me.
Why would she go to hell? She gave up her WHOLE life because she said that she believed in God.
And it's quite childish of you accusing me to be unadmirable and "wrong" my views are NOT wrong, and I haven't even said that YOUR views are wrong. If my views are "dogmatic" then I'd hate to admit what yours are, words cannot explain actually.

Originally posted by DanieLs_4_Ever
But he's A Savior to me.
Why would she go to hell? She gave up her WHOLE life because she said that she believed in God.
And it's quite childish of you accusing me to be unadmirable and "wrong" my views are NOT wrong, and I haven't even said that YOUR views are wrong. If my views are "dogmatic" then I'd hate to admit what yours are, words cannot explain actually.

apparently using words to explain how you feel is not one of your strong points.

Your views that suicide and martyrism somehow exist independently of each other is undeniably wrong. You seem to have a problem understanding that there is a difference between belief and FACT.

She should go to hell because she chose to die rather than to live. That is suicide. What don't you understand about that?

Didn't Jesus commit suicide? I mean, he knew he was going to die, yet he didn't stop it. If he knew he was going to die, and let it happen, isn't this suicide?

Originally posted by Makedde
Didn't Jesus commit suicide? I mean, he knew he was going to die, yet he didn't stop it. If he knew he was going to die, and let it happen, isn't this suicide?

Knowing you are going to die, and taking your own life are two totally different things.

Does person who knows he/she will die from cancer committing suicide? I don't think so.

Anyway, in any religion, suicide is a sin - even old Chinese and some pagan religions regarded this as a huge sin.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Knowing you are going to die, and taking your own life are two totally different things.

Does person who knows he/she will die from cancer committing suicide? I don't think so.

Anyway, in any religion, suicide is a sin - even old Chinese and some pagan religions regarded this as a huge sin.

I think you should read pages 3-4 of this thread so I don't have to reiterate

Ok, you can look at that god killed Jesus then. Maybe god should be in hell for breaking his "Thou Shalt not kill"...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Ok, you can look at that god killed Jesus then. Maybe god should be in hell for breaking his "Thou Shalt not kill"...

well, God can break his own rules; he's not bound to them like us mortals

Originally posted by FeceMan
Yes. The Bible teaches that the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Spirit; that is, to, in essence, spit at God's sacrifice and not ask for forgiveness.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
well, God can break his own rules; he's not bound to them like us mortals

Is such being worth worshiping? The one that can't even obay his own rules?

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
I think you should read pages 3-4 of this thread so I don't have to reiterate

What particulars was I supposed to be looking out for?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

What particulars was I supposed to be looking out for?

that suicide is not always a sin. if you commit suicide as a martyr, you are exempt from hell's wrath and given eternal life. Jesus was a martyr, and he willingly accepted death on the cross. He did commit suicide.

it's explained in more detail in my previous posts ✅

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
that suicide is not always a sin. if you commit suicide as a martyr, you are exempt from hell's wrath and given eternal life. Jesus was a martyr, and he willingly accepted death on the cross. He did commit suicide.

it's explained in more detail in my previous posts ✅

But if you take the lives of other people, like a suicide bomber, then how could you walk into heaven with all that blood on your hands?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if you take the lives of other people, like a suicide bomber, then how could you walk into heaven with all that blood on your hands?

That’s where misinterpretation and manipulation come into play. I’d like for any of those people to show me where in the Qu’ran it says that God wants them to kill non-Muslims (namely westerners).

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
That’s where misinterpretation and manipulation come into play. I’d like for any of those people to show me where in the Qu’ran it says that God wants them to kill non-Muslims (namely westerners).