True, maybe Batman in BB isn't a cold-blooded killer as in Burton's movies...but he stays a killer. But I don't mind that he kills...is it such a big deal...it's suppose to be an action movie, so people get killed in action...That's just logical. I wouldn't mind if he was as cold as tim burton's batman in BB on the contrary, maybe that would have made him more cooler....cause he has all this nicknames "The Dark Knight" well that just makes him darker....more lethal.
Originally posted by Knightfall93
He says "I'm no excutioner" just before he blows up the monastery at the start ut he only blows it as a distraction bbut it gets out of control... and he didn't kill the Ra's decoy, burning rubble fell on him. That's why all 4 opening Bat flicks are shat!
Exactly.He didnt kill anybody in that scene.a timber dropping on the Ra's decoy guy is hardly killing somebody.duh and as I said,not saving his mentor from the train was hardly the act of killing either like it was when he sent the UNARMEND batmobile into the jokers hideout and deliberatly like the coward burton made him into,killed them and the other example I mentioned,cowardly putting a bomd down that goons pants of the penguins.sorry but thats murder,plain and simple.anybody with logic,would understand that.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Oh come on,what did he think the Joker was going to do?? Dangle there forever??? And if he let go of the ladder he'd be screwed.And when the statue did break and started pulling Joker down slowly,Batman didn't even try and help him.And he could have.He waited until he dropped before pulling himself and Vicki up.
He wanted to watch Joker die.
Now don't get me wrong I love Batman 89,but Batman was a killer in Burton's movies.
Hell yeah he wanted Joker to die.Thats so obvious by the way he did not even try to save him or help him like you said.he could easily have saved him if he wanted to but he made it clear telling joker he was going to kill him since he killed his parents.Im glad you can at least admit this doc that Batman was defenetely a killer in those movies. 😉
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Exactly.He didnt kill anybody in that scene.a timber dropping on the Ra's decoy guy is hardly killing somebody.duh and as I said,not saving his mentor from the train was hardly the act of killing either like it was when he sent the UNARMEND batmobile into the jokers hideout and deliberatly like the coward burton made him into,killed them and the other example I mentioned,cowardly putting a bomd down that goons pants of the penguins.sorry but thats murder,plain and simple.anybody with logic,would understand that.
Quite right Mr Parker. I forgot that ridicolus scene in Batman Returns. Don't forget also how noble and courageous Bruce was when he tried to save Ra's life when he was unconscious and almost fell to the cliff. He risk his life to save Ra. And even before boarding the train Batman try to stop him. Nolan illustration of Batman is exactly how it should be. That is why Batman is a real Knight not like the SW knights that kill people. Those guys are real murderers.
Originally posted by Knightfall93
Mr Parker, I think you have some very good views on thhis subject! I have to agree... Burto's guy is like a bloody Zsasz or Joker, NNolan's guy is the 1 true BATMAN
Thanks,its great to see more and more people such as you and Harvey Dent joining these boards who know something about logic and common sense and dont live in denial on that subject that batman killed people in cowardly ways.yeah I really like your views as well the way we see eye to eye on things about these movies. 🙂
Originally posted by Doc Ock
So you say it was Batman's intention to trap Joker?? By strapping his leg to an old gargoyle statue while Joker was dangling from a helicopter.And you think Batman honestly didn't think Joker could die from this??Let's pretend that's true,what about when Joker slowly started to fall?? Why didn't Batman try and pull himself and Vicki up then.I mean Joker was trapped right?? He couldn't do anything to stop them or hurt them.
No,Batman waited until Joker fell,then he pulled himself and Vicki up.It took little effort too.Only snag was that the ledge broke.And even then he saved themselves using his bat rope thing.No doubt he could have done the same for Joker when he fell.
But Batman wanted Joker to die.
well said doc,again Im really glad to see you have no problem accepting the facts that he killed the joker diliberatey and intentionally unlike many burton batman fans. 🙂
Originally posted by Knightfall93
Look, Ive lost a lot of respect for Cascador with his comments. Bombing a bu nch of guys via the Batm,aobile is murder! Batman knew Ra's was far too dangerous, he'd stroll out of Arkham's gates no problem! He had to stop gnocide and knew Ra's could well escape. Also, destroying the monorail was the only way to save however million Gothamites!
so you've lost respect for him as well huh? 😄 yeah thats why I have done the same thing with him that I have done with batman returns,put him on my ignore list because his logic is laughable.,you should try it,when you do that,you got them blocked from your view and you dont have to read their insane logic and nonsense they sprout off. 😄
Originally posted by Knightfall93
He's more ruthless and cowardlt than them...
Hell yeah he is.From what little we saw from the bad guys in the burton films,HIS actions made the bad guys look like nice guys.at least from what we knew about the bad guys in those films,I did not end up hating them and wanting to see then die like I did with batman.I mean his killings were far more cowardly than the villians were.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
In the 1989 Batman film during the fight on the top of cathedral. Batman kills one of the Joker's goons by bangin his head into the bell and then throwing him into the broken stairway. That is not only a act of murder but also something Batman would NEVER do! But given the fact that Burton directed the film and he wasn't introduce to the character properly. As Batman fans (i.e. some of us) we forgive but not forget.A good example of Batman's actions can be found in A Death in the Family. Using spoiler tags of course:
Spoiler:
When the Joker and Batman are fighting in the helicopter one of Joker's henchmen pulls out an Ak-47 and starts shooting. Hits the Joker in the chest and Batman on the arm. The henchman takes out the pilot and the copter goes down. Giving only enough time for Batman to escape, but not to rescue the Joker. Batman is injured so cannot pull the joker out on time. He only has time to say "farewell old foe" and jumps off.Despite Batman's rage over the death of Jason. He still gave the Joker's plenty of chances for him to surrender to the authorities. The Joker in his maniacal state of mind refuse and taunted Batman. Not once did he snap and try to kill the Joker.
Batman plays by the rules. He doesn't kill! He believes in aprehending and arresting criminals and turn them to the law. He doesn't make justice and then apply punishment. He fights for justice. He believes criminals should always be trial by a court of law. Unlike a cop he doesn't have the luxury of killing in the name of law. His methods of interogation are harsh but effective. And he never murders anyone during his investigations.
very well said dwarf.Your post totally shot down every weak argument the burton batman lovers have come up with on this thread.You totally took them to school and gave them and education on the TRUE Batman character and how Burtons Batman Butchered to death his character but Nolans Batman was loyal to it.I think its time now for you to dismiss them from class 😄 and thanks for your compliment you gave me on the last page of this thread. 🙂
Re: Why do people still have this notion that Batman doesn't kill.
Originally posted by Batman Returns
Batman's been killing henchmen left and right, and nobody says anything about until he kills the main villian. Then the debates starts on his intentions. Why is that? Batman does kill. I know alot of people don't want to admit that, still holding on the mythos of the comic books, but Batman's been killing. sometimes to save lives u have to take a life.....he should only kill when he has to, and in the movies and some graphic novels ive seen, he does just that. but i hate hearing ppl ***** and moan about how batman doesnt kill. he has, and he does at times.
Well I havent read the whole thread, I have to get going. But I just had to say what the hell are you talking about, Batman doest kill O_o
If youre talking about the movies, DKR, crimson mist, etc. those are not part of the his official continuity, so those moaners are absolutely right.
Re: Re: Why do people still have this notion that Batman doesn't kill.
Originally posted by Hegemon875
Well I havent read the whole thread, I have to get going. But I just had to say what the hell are you talking about, Batman doest kill O_oIf youre talking about the movies, DKR, crimson mist, etc. those are not part of the his official continuity, so those moaners are absolutely right.
That was irrelevant to the discussion and quite pathetic. The only 2 people I've actually properly argued with 9Doc Ock and Mr Parker) are the ones who sem to have the clearest and best opinions now!