full powered Cable vs Silver Surfer

In a battle of endurance, Silver Surfer wins without question. He was built to accept intense amounts of punishment and has the ability to push out extreme amounts of energy. That's what he was made for. Truth be told Cable cannot hope to possibly match Norrin Radd's overall endurance and invulnerability. ( As evident in their fight. ) But I disagree that Nathan doesn't have the power to hold his own in a short battle. Had he not been attempting to make a point and concentrated more of his energy on the Surfer it would have been a better fight.

Nathan's output throughout his comic career has been compared to that of the Phoenix Force on various occasions. ( ie; Cable #29, Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix #1-4, Askani'son #1-4 etc. ) But since his body can't maintain the power levels he has the ability to omit he just can't beat Surfer. Ever. Unless Nathan comes to a point where he doesn't need to worry about the physical strains of his powers he'll never be able to take on comic level beings. Not without worrying about burning out or some other physical infliction.

Side note: What happened to his HEALING factor during that fight? In the preceeding comics of Cable & Deadpool #1-9, he and Deadpool were Physically FUSED together and merely ripped their bodies apart on various occasions. And moments later their flesh was healed nigh instantaneously. And as I recall, Nathan got some of Deadpool's DNA and same with Deadpool. This allowed Deadpool to use Graymalkin's teleporter, right? So why didn't Cable easily heal after Surfer's attack? Bad writing?

Originally posted by nathan summers
In a battle of endurance, Silver Surfer wins without question. He was built to accept intense amounts of punishment and has the ability to push out extreme amounts of energy. That's what he was made for. Truth be told Cable cannot hope to possibly match Norrin Radd's overall endurance and invulnerability. ( As evident in their fight. ) But I disagree that Nathan doesn't have the power to hold his own in a short battle. Had he not been attempting to make a point and concentrated more of his energy on the Surfer it would have been a better fight.

Nathan's output throughout his comic career has been compared to that of the Phoenix Force on various occasions. ( ie; Cable #29, Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix #1-4, Askani'son #1-4 etc. ) But since his body can't maintain the power levels he has the ability to omit he just can't beat Surfer. Ever. Unless Nathan comes to a point where he doesn't need to worry about the physical strains of his powers he'll never be able to take on comic level beings. Not without worrying about burning out or some other physical infliction.

Side note: What happened to his HEALING factor during that fight? In the preceeding comics of Cable & Deadpool #1-9, he and Deadpool were Physically FUSED together and merely ripped their bodies apart on various occasions. And moments later their flesh was healed nigh instantaneously. And as I recall, Nathan got some of Deadpool's DNA and same with Deadpool. This allowed Deadpool to use Graymalkin's teleporter, right? So why didn't Cable easily heal after Surfer's attack? Bad writing?

First Agrees, with the first two paragraphs.

Second, Yeah I was thinking about that as well. Cable should have healed those wounds.

I believe that if cable was given a superior body that can handle the stress place upon him for wielding such high psionic powers, He can either fight in equal terms or even beat SS in a one on one combat simply because he was born with more raw power then the power of Cosmic SS was given.

Or Two in his max state, if Cable would have given a surprise attack and aimed at his SS body instead of his board, I think SS would simply walk it off.

Originally posted by id369
First Agrees, with the first two paragraphs.

Second, Yeah I was thinking about that as well. Cable should have healed those wounds.

I believe that if cable was given a superior body that can handle the stress place upon him for wielding such high psionic powers, He can either fight in equal terms or even beat SS in a one on one combat simply because he was born with more raw power then the power of Cosmic SS was given.

Or Two in his max state, if Cable would have given a surprise attack and aimed at his SS body instead of his board, I think SS would simply walk it off.

Yeah, even outside of their fight, Surfer's feats dwarf the heck out of Cable's. Blowing up planets, much much faster tahn lightspeed travel and reactions, high end matter manipulation, etc. Cable gets vaporized before he knows what hit him.

And just to have cool scans floating everywhere... Behold speed incarnate.

Originally posted by King KAM
u beleive a damn mutie can take out a herald.....you are loco, as hell.

Why not?

Cable is the son of Jean who is the host of the Phoenix.

Cable inherited a large portion of the psionic powers of Jean.

SS was a mortal who was given the power of cosmic by Galactus.

Last time I checked Phoenix>Galactus.

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So if Cable had a body or even a suit that was capable of channeling all his power with out placing any mortal strain on himself. And the match takes place in a neutral zone were they can go all out to the death.

Why wouldn’t Cable have a chance at beating SS?

By "large portion" you mean... tiny fraction, right? Jean's hella powerful, Cable has never shown psionic power ANYWHERE near that level. He's never shown anything near mind gem levels either. Which is why that route's pretty much closed to him. In terms of raw power, he hasn't shown to be anything compared to Galactus, and even less compared to his mother. Cable DID eventually shift the largest load from himself to Rachel in his "fight" with SS as well. And he still got curbstomped terribly. If nothing else, Surfer is way the hell too fast for him.

Mr. Overpower, 10/10.

This is in response to id369 saying Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus.

Originally posted by Mordum
This is in response to id369 saying Phoenix is more powerful than Galactus.

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Originally posted by id369
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Originally posted by King KAM
all i see in that pic is Phoenix holding a pocket universe, i dont care what matter manipulation she has,this is a battle of pure power.

There its fixed.

Originally posted by Dizzle
By "large portion" you mean... tiny fraction, right? Jean's hella powerful, Cable has never shown psionic power ANYWHERE near that level. He's never shown anything near mind gem levels either. Which is why that route's pretty much closed to him. In terms of raw power, he hasn't shown to be anything compared to Galactus, and even less compared to his mother. Cable DID eventually shift the largest load from himself to Rachel in his "fight" with SS as well. And he still got curbstomped terribly. If nothing else, Surfer is way the hell too fast for him.

Mr. Overpower, 10/10.

agreed.

Meh, Phoenix>Galactus is debatable. Neither was full powered for their fight, and Galactus is quite a punching bag. The Watcher says Phoenix>LT, but the cosmic bunny and Reed Richards very recently created the universe. Which is right? Phoenix's true power is really very sketchy. She held a universe, but that was from the White Hot Room. Was it because of where she was, or her vast stores of power? Galactus is essential to the universe, and so are Eternity and Death. Is he their equal at 100% power? No one knows. It's all speculation, really.

Feat wise, Nate gets beaten into the ground. Period.

EDIT: Oh, that one! That's definitely the Watcher guessing at the future, not the actual future... It says nothing about Phoenix's power level. It's a GS favorite. To discredit the Watcher... I'm pretty sure he said Spiderman was the most gifted fighter on Earth...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, Phoenix>Galactus is debatable. Neither was full powered for their fight, and Galactus is quite a punching bag. The Watcher says Phoenix>LT, but the cosmic bunny and Reed Richards very recently created the universe. Which is right? Phoenix's true power is really very sketchy. She held a universe, but that was from the White Hot Room. Was it because of where she was, or her vast stores of power? Galactus is essential to the universe, and so are Eternity and Death. Is he their equal at 100% power? No one knows. It's all speculation, really.

Feat wise, Nate gets beaten into the ground. Period.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, Phoenix>Galactus is debatable. Neither was full powered for their fight, and Galactus is quite a punching bag. The Watcher says Phoenix>LT, but the cosmic bunny and Reed Richards very recently created the universe. Which is right? Phoenix's true power is really very sketchy. She held a universe, but that was from the White Hot Room. Was it because of where she was, or her vast stores of power? Galactus is essential to the universe, and so are Eternity and Death. Is he their equal at 100% power? No one knows. It's all speculation, really.

Feat wise, Nate gets beaten into the ground. Period.

EDIT: Oh, that one! That's definitely the Watcher guessing at the future, not the actual future... It says nothing about Phoenix's power level. It's a GS favorite. To discredit the Watcher... I'm pretty sure he said Spiderman was the most gifted fighter on Earth...

feat wise SS gets own just as often as Galactus.

Originally posted by id369
feat wise SS gets own just as often as Galactus.

Big G said he can easily rebuild his worldship and destroy phoenix" - So speaks Galactus.

Originally posted by King KAM
Becuase big G doesnt ever want to flex his muscle.

The Big G has no balls. and always has excuses for losing. (I was hungry)

But what excuse does SS have for losing

Originally posted by id369
feat wise SS gets own just as often as Galactus.

So Cable owns Silver Surfer and Galactus at the same time now? Phoenix is, once again, debatable, as Galactus has never been seen at his theoretical potential. Basically, he could equal Eternity. Phoenix apprently DOESN'T initiate the Big Bang. Reed Richards and the cosmic bunny did... A lot of the Phoenix stuff is the Watcher talking, which isn't really good evidence, unless you take Wolverine saying "I'm the best at what I do" literally.

I always feel bad for Galactus. He should be one of the most bad ass guys in Marvel and have earths heros pissing there pants when he shows up but they always drive him off.

Originally posted by id369
The Big G has no balls. and always has excuses for losing. (I was hungry)

But what excuse does SS have for losing

Same excuse as wally running into a sword. that and he's a pacifist at heart.

Whats Cables excuse to losing to a holding back Surfer?