Originally posted by Juntai
You don't realise the level Spectre is on do you?
Go to the Spectre vs Pheonix force and Goblin force thread.
I realize exactly what power level is he on. But Spectre based on his normal portrayals on the JSA rarely exercises the divine power that is granted to him by God other than to impose vengeance on his enemies. And most of the times, his enemies do a great deal of destruction before he could subdue them. Just look at his fight with Hoth Sototh. Only DOV/DOJ version of Spectre, has been the only one willing enough to go all out and do whatever it takes. Others are hampered down by their host.
Sure the Celestials would earn the wrath of God, but not after they destroyed DC earth.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedThose aren't his normal power levels, read a SPECTRE comic.
I realize exactly what power level is he on. But Spectre based on his normal portrayals on the JSA rarely exercises the divine power that is granted to him by God other than to impose vengeance on his enemies. And most of the times, his enemies do a great deal of destruction before he could subdue them. Only DOV/DOJ version of Spectre, has been the only one willing enough to go all out and do whatever it takes. Others are hampered down by their host.
Originally posted by Juntai
Those aren't his normal power levels, read a SPECTRE comic.
DOV Spectre was actually kind of a weak version.
I beg to differ, yes they are. The normal version is only so powerful cause the Prescence grants him as much as he needs to, but only after his enemies earned God's wrath. Something that would most likely happened after venus, mars, the moon and pluto is sent smashing into earth.
"It still astonishes me what I can do. This ability to take aspects of my own consciousness and give them form... And send them off across the universe. How is this possible?
It's not as if I understand the process: I just do it. Urge becomes thought, becomes manifestation. And each one of these reflections... each one of these others, is as much of me as I am.
Yet I remain to connected to them all. The controlling consciousness. Spectre Prime. Yet I don't fell as if I'm really controlling them. It's as if we're part of the cosmic tapestry-- carrying out the will of something -- someone-- far greater than all of us.
There are times I wonder if I'm not just one more reflection of a still-larger mind. That's waiting to call me home, and swollow me up.
Undream me.
And perhaps I am. What can identity mea, after all, when you've left the world of matter of illusory between the spririt and flesh behind?
So I sail off across the Earth day after day, night after night, in more shapes and forms thatn I could ever count. Sail off to do what must be done in order to save the world one soul at a time.
Across the Earth and across the galaxies. For my work isn't limited to one planet, one culture, one small vision of reality. The Hand of The Divine reaches across space and time... across all the limitless planes of existance. And where he points. I follow....
..cajoling and caressing, exhorting and harassing, comforting and terrifying, doing whatever needs to be done... Whatever each individual heart requires.. to awaken the new universe, the new age of jor and miracles, that lies . . fully realized . . . all around us.
Just waiting for us to open our eyes.
And see it."
In this very comic you see Spectre holding all of creation in his hands. And shaping and reshaping it.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedWrong again. Spectre is beyond creation and can mold and shape it in his hands. As shown above.
I beg to differ, yes they are. The normal version is only so powerful cause the Prescence grants him as much as he needs to, but only after his enemies earned God's wrath. Something that would most likely happened after venus, mars, the moon and pluto is sent smashing into earth.
In Spectre 17 he recreated the Universe.
In Emperor Joker, he recreated the universe.
In COIE He recreated the universe.
In Zero Hour he poured enough energy into Damage to make him the big bang.. and recreate the Universe.
In Legends of the DCU: Spectre The Devouror of Worlds 4 parter, he found the Earth destroyed, and summoned an army of angels to rebuild it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Wrong again. Spectre is beyond creation and can mold and shape it in his hands. As shown above.In Spectre 17 he recreated the Universe.
In Emperor Joker, he recreated the universe.
In COIE He recreated the universe.
In Zero Hour he poured enough energy into Damage to make him the big bang.. and recreate the Universe.
In Legends of the DCU: Spectre The Devouror of Worlds 4 parter, he found the Earth destroyed, and summoned an army of angels to rebuild it.
And you know, a destroyed earth still constitutes as a win just like KO.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedHe erased Darkseid and rebuilt him, what are you talking about?
Yeah, and i suppose that is why there so many JSA foes and villains that have come across him and still survives. Or probably cause the being who hold all of creation gets hurt by Darkseid's OE and also couldn't kill him.
I'm giving on panel comic proof of Spectre being able to completely alter reality as a whole. Planes/time/etc.
Originally posted by Juntai
Ah, but it was special circumstance, Spectre wasn't on Earth not even on this plane, in this fight, he is.
Special circumstance of what? The earth is destroyed, he comes exact vengeance on the celestials.....meanwhile earth is still destroyed. After he finishes the fight, then he recreates it.
That period where the 99.9999999% of earths population ceased to live would constitute a ko since it's not solely Spectre being the opponent here
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedIt wouldn't happen if Spectre WAS there. In this fight, he has basic knowledge of the opponents, and is indeed knowledged of the fight taking place.
Special circumstance of what? The earth is destroyed, he comes exact vengeance on the celestials.....meanwhile earth is still destroyed. After he finishes the fight, then he recreates it.That period where the 99.9999999% of earths population ceased to live would constitute a ko since it's not solely Spectre being the opponent here
Likewise in the comic where the Earth was destroyed and he didn't save it in time, and had to rebuild it. He wasn't even on this plane of existance. If he WAS, it wouldn't have happened.
What are you not getting?
Spectre is far beyond the Celestials.
His feats reach above and beyond even the Tribunal.
Originally posted by Juntai
It wouldn't happen if Spectre WAS there. In this fight, he has basic knowledge of the opponents, and is indeed knowledged of the fight taking place.Likewise in the comic where the Earth was destroyed and he didn't save it in time, and had to rebuild it. He wasn't even on this plane of existance. If he WAS, it wouldn't have happened.
What are you not getting?
Spectre is far beyond the Celestials.
His feats reach above and beyond even the Tribunal.
Except that even if he is there, beings so far miserably below the celestials have indeed posed danger to earth as a whole. Just because he holds all of creation in his hands and all of time, doesn't mean he would use it or being permitted to do so.
Otherwise COIE and other major arcs involving him would have never happened in the first place.
He erased Darkseid and rebuilt him, what are you talking about?
except he didn't rebuilt him. You even mentioned the feat where he rebuilt the world after the emperor joker arc yet failed to mention what he was doing the whole time before............trapped in a cage as a pet.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedThe difference is that the Spectre is put into this fight from the onset by the maker of the thread, normally in comics, when somone is posing a threat as such, Spectre doesn't show up until the very end and fixes it all. But that's not the case here, he is here, he does know the fight is happening, and he knows the capabilities of those he's fighting, and as feats prove, he can do more with one finger than all of them can combined. This is irrefutible.
Except that even if he is there, beings so far miserably below the celestials have indeed posed danger to earth as a whole. Just because he holds all of creation in his hands and all of time, doesn't mean he would use it or being permitted to do so.except he didn't rebuilt him
If you can somehow, someway, prove differently, by all means, do so.
He is, but then again he has been against a whole lot enemies being there and not in the end of the fight. He doesn't get to used the full brunt of god's wrath's power until the enemy actually does harm. That's natural CIS IMO, the fact that he can't exact vengeance till his enemies breach the rules that break it. And in this case, there are numerous near or above full-potential franklin richard power level creatures who can hurt worlds at one planet.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedBut that's not the case here, he is here, he does know the fight is happening, and he knows the capabilities of those he's fighting, and as feats prove, he can do more with one finger than all of them can combined. This is irrefutible.
He is, but then again he has been against a whole lot enemies being there and not in the end of the fight. He doesn't get to used the full brunt of god's wrath's power until the enemy actually does harm. That's natural CIS IMO, the fact that he can't exact vengeance till his enemies breach the rules that break it. And in this case, there are twelve full-potential franklin richard power level creatures who can hurt worlds at one planet.
If you can somehow, someway, prove differently, by all means, do so.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedIn Final Night, he spread his consciousness over the entirety of the Earth, to keep it alive despite the sun beyond destroyed.
his full wrath is irrefutible and so is his powerBut for god's sakes, read my post. He doesn't exercise that might till after something happened or ever barely does.
What's to keep him from simply... putting a magic field around the Earth?
Or teleporting them away from Earth to do battle there?
Or just banishing them from this plane of existance?
All you have is theory, a bit of pis/cis and heresay against what comics themselves show Spectre capable of doing.
I'm sorry, that's just not going to cut it.
Re: Fourth Celestial host vs DC Earth
Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
Celestials:One Above All
Arishem the judge
Hargen the measurer
Tefral the surveyor
Nezarr the calculator
Gammenon the gatherer
Jemiah the analyzer
Eson the searcher
Oneg the prober
Ziran the testerkeep in mind this is DC earth, not DC universe.
Wonder Woman does not have the godwave in this.
Spectre is at normal power.
Superman is pre crisisDoes DC earth have a chance?
Nabu + Spectre + Pre Crisis Superman sneeze + Zeus + Odin + Shazam + Gaea + Phantom Stranger = the end of the host !
If moljnir can crack celstial armour, id hate to see what a Pre Crisis sneeze would do ! 🙂
In all honnesty i think the Celsetials will beat most of that list q
above) with the exception of the Spectre. He has the power to use anyone elses power agianst them .... eventually theyy go down, although it would be a very long fight. 🙂
Originally posted by Juntai
In Final Night, he spread his consciousness over the entirety of the Earth, to keep it alive despite the sun beyond destroyed.What's to keep him from simply... putting a magic field around the Earth?
Or teleporting them away from Earth to do battle there?
Or just banishing them from this plane of existance?All you have is theory, a bit of pis/cis and heresay against what comics themselves show Spectre capable of doing.
I'm sorry, that's just not going to cut it.
And all you have is theories on supposedly what he could do and not the ones that is in his character to do also. Keep the planet alive by spreading his conciousness you say, why not just remake a new sun, kill the sun eater and put the earth back on it's track. Or is that the best he can do? Even Onslaught with just the power of franklin richards and nate could create one. That amount of power would only be equal to two celestials slacking around.
Now, why is that so? i'll tell you why. Cause he is written that way.