Fourth Celestial host vs DC Earth

Then why did Captain Marvel put in a good showing against him?? If his power is infinite, why was he exhausted after fighting the AntiMonitor?? Why was it even a fight??
Jun, what you say is all well and good, but his showings often contradict the hyperbole. Truth. And if he fights like many of his showings do, the Celestials can win. Hell, Shazam(midlevel skyfather at best!) pierced him!! And that was a recent showing. Celestials don't job. They've never been shown to, so i say DC earth is done. Since Spectre is immortal, he can bring it back, but for the split second its vaporized, along with the heroes(superman included) constitutes as a win.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Then why did Captain Marvel put in a good showing against him?? If his power is infinite, why was he exhausted after fighting the AntiMonitor?? Why was it even a fight??
Jun, what you say is all well and good, but his showings often contradict the hyperbole. Truth. And if he fights like many of his showings do, the Celestials can win. Hell, Shazam(midlevel skyfather at best!) pierced him!! And that was a recent showing. Celestials don't job. They've never been shown to, so i say DC earth is done. Since Spectre is immortal, he can bring it back, but for the split second its vaporized, along with the heroes(superman included) constitutes as a win.

Spectre was down after depowering/and banishing the Anti-Monitor and recreating the multiverse into the DCUniverse. And he won the fight and as said, recreated the universe, what's your point?
And the only reason it was a fight between him and the Anti-Monitor, if you actually READ Crisis on Infinite Earths, was because Anti-Monitor had attached his life-force to that of all of various Earth Heros that were there trying to stop him and if he killed them, they would all die as well, So instead he undid that tie, banished, and recreated the universe.
Either way, are you trying to put the Celestials on the Anti-Monitor level?

Shazam peircing him means nothing. Black Adam flew through his face in the JSA Day of Vengeance tie in. In Year One a guy with a bat swung swung it through his face. He still defeated Shazam, still defeated Black Adam, and still killed the guy, so your point is moot again.

Spectre's normal showings are clearly above any and all of the celestial host. I've given tons of explanations on his powers and feats in this very thread, and have yet to see a shred of evidence on how this team could even hope to deal with someone on his level.

Like I said-
Until you can prove otherwise,.... etcetera, ecetera

The Celestials are also capable of Destroying and recreating worlds. Spectre or no Spectre DC Earth is going down.

Basically.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
The Celestials are also capable of Destroying and recreating worlds. Spectre or no Spectre DC Earth is going down.

Like I said-
Until you can prove otherwise,....

i told you you should have taken spectre out of the battle but ok whatever even if he aint in there captain marvel fighting him and actually giving him a good battle means that he could probably defeat the celestials if all the heros and pantheons of earth joined together but spectre still won that fight cause his powers are almost infinite level.

Originally posted by Juntai
Because he chose not to, it's that simple. It's even mentioned in the book. That's not the case in this thread,

No, he didn't mention not choosing to.

HE WAS PUT INTO THE FIGHT BY THE THREAD MAKER. His deal against inaction is immediately negated by that, then you have BLOODLUST, my friend.

And how many times have you mentioned that and fail to get the point. Bloodlust is negated by the fact that the optimal power he could use is base on how much CIS would allow. He only can and will use his optimal power right after the earth is destroyed, that simple.

And mine's not theories, I've been posting stuff he's actually done, and excerpts from his own comics. You've apperently never even read one, so are not at liberty to tell ME what his powerset is.

And i've been contradicting said facts that you've posted. recreating the universe while on some panel get's treated like a pet in a cage and talking to superman on him being the last hope. And yes, I've read several of his appearances and you're not in the position to tell me what i've read and not read. I know exactly what powerset he is on normally and you fail to realize just that unlike DOV spectre, normally portrayed Spectre is bound by several rules in interference that he adheres to and the morals by the host itself and just how much power the Prescence would allow him to receive. The same guy who couldn't even mention the identity of the killer in IC.

since your talking about thread rules and junk the characters are at the most powerful and they have full knowledge of each other the spectre would own the celestials plain and simple end of story.

Originally posted by Mider
since your talking about thread rules and junk the characters are at the most powerful and they have full knowledge of each other the spectre would own the celestials plain and simple end of story.

says common knowledge in the forum rules and not total info on them. And common knowledge about them in comics is vague at best cept that Ashema commented on Franklin Richard's full potential is supposed to be what their experiments is about, replicating their race.

DC ares defeated i think every or almost every heron on earth and he's probably not as powerful as DC zues heh but DC zues hangs with the quintessance with Ganthet who is uber powerful, and the magical entity the phantom stranger, not to mention shazam the wizard, phantom stranger would be in this battle its been thought that even the spectre couldnt kill him when the spectre turned him into a rodent it was he who turned himself back, shazam is the father of satanus who could summon armies of the undead who still lost to the spectre, DC Odin could create a pocket universe, and circe caused galactus conflict with almost every pantheon perhaps she did cause it with every pantheon the Celestials are going up against to many wild cards in this battle they would lose eventually just to much power on DC earth.

DC Gods <<<<<<< The Celestial. Exitar blinks ares out of existences and turns the JLA, JSA into dog sh**. Celestials 10/10 against Dc earth w/o the spectre, Spectre alone 10/10 against the celestial race.

DC odin alone could create a pocket universe you really think that the celestials will take out every pantheon including ares who may have defeated every hero last time i remeber the celestials were hurt by thors hammer were they not?

NO they weren't! They didn't even acknowledge him,Celestial can be hurt but they heal so fast like it even wasn't there. Marvel's Odin sky-father bow down to Aresihem during the fourth host visit to earth. Dc gods will be on the same level as marvel sky fathers gods. Celestials caused the "Big Bang" with their experiments.

Look at this

1. Living Tribunal/ Phoenix Force/ True Beyonder
2. Eternity/ Death/ Full Powered Galactus/Infinity/Oblivion/Exitar
3. Normal Galactus/ Celestial (Race)/Full Powered Tyrant
4. The Watchers/Eon/ Chaos& Order/In-Betweener
5. Love& Hate/ The Stranger

10. Cube Beings/ Molecule Man/Kubik/ Beyonder/Shaper of Worlds
11. Elder Gods/ /Demogorge/Atum/Rune King Thor/Gaea/Set/Cthon
12. Sky Fathers/ Odin/Zeus/Crom/Cyttorak/King Thor/Tyrant (normal)/Zuras (prime eternal)

No, he didn't mention not choosing to.

--Actually, it does mention choosing not to.

In the conversation between him and Spectre in Spectre issue 0.

Phantom Stranger: "This is literally their darkest hour! You could save them ALL-- but you WON'T. With every major Crisis, it's the same! In all the years I've watched you I never understood why."

The rest of that post was filled with nonsense, and made nor countered any point, so I won't even bother with that.

Originally posted by the Darkone
NO they weren't! They didn't even acknowledge him,Celestial can be hurt but they heal so fast like it even wasn't there. Marvel's Odin sky-father bow down to Aresihem during the fourth host visit to earth. Dc gods will be on the same level as marvel sky fathers gods. Celestials caused the "Big Bang" with their experiments.

Look at this

1. Living Tribunal/ Phoenix Force/ True Beyonder
2. Eternity/ Death/ Full Powered Galactus/Infinity/Oblivion/Exitar
3. Normal Galactus/ Celestial (Race)/Full Powered Tyrant
4. The Watchers/Eon/ Chaos& Order/In-Betweener
5. Love& Hate/ The Stranger

10. Cube Beings/ Molecule Man/Kubik/ Beyonder/Shaper of Worlds
11. Elder Gods/ /Demogorge/Atum/Rune King Thor/Gaea/Set/Cthon
12. Sky Fathers/ Odin/Zeus/Crom/Cyttorak/King Thor/Tyrant (normal)/Zuras (prime eternal)

Where are TOAA, HOTU and The Unknown? I think you're rating Molecule Man too high too. Other than that, looks pretty accutrate.

yet he did, with what you described but not just on the scale that he should logically be operating with his deus-ex machina powers. All the more reason it supports the facts of the natural limitation and retrictions imposed on him dealing and intervening on said matters. So if he can't manage to do that, how much harder would it be for being under his protection to survive against an assault from numerous celestials who are vastly capable to exacting destruction that borders what happened there.

Spectre Final Night tie in issue 47, I meant, not issue 0.
^^^

You're still coming with no facts, I'm giving direct comic issues and quotes from them.
And you're still basing stuff off of hearsay and theory.

Spectre doesn't need permission to act, the human host just needs to judge. He is the conduit for Spectre's power.

Even with that aside, any like the host having ideas about non-intereference is removed the moment the thread creator decided to put Spectre into the battle.

Normal powered Spectre, as shown in Spectre's series and many of his appearances, is far above and beyond what these guys have shown, who have few appearances and fewer feats to support the claim they'd even stand a chance against Spectre.

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre Final Night tie in issue 47, I meant, not issue 0.
^^^

You're still coming with no facts, I'm giving direct comic issues and quotes from them.
And you're still basing stuff off of hearsay and theory.

Spectre doesn't need permission to act, the human host just needs to judge. He is the conduit for Spectre's power.

Even with that aside, any like the host having ideas about non-intereference is removed the moment the thread creator decided to put Spectre into the battle.

Normal powered Spectre, as shown in Spectre's series and many of his appearances, is far above and beyond what these guys have shown, who have few appearances and fewer feats to support the claim they'd even stand a chance against Spectre.

doesn't need permission to act? like not even being able to disclose a simple information. Even the appearance you site contains mention of that. He can't even kill darkseid cause the source won't allow him.

BTW, normal spectre has a host for about several decades now. You can't simply say he has the attitude and drive of DOV all of the sudden and still able to acquire additional powers from the Prescence like a version of him with the host.

Where is his uberness when Major Crisis occurs. Your telling me his on heaven and residing there yet when he's there, he couldn't simply snuff out the commotion. When he does appear later on to , he fix the situation but not after the damage has been dealt against the people who are supposed to be under his protection.

It's not about non-interference on this fight really, but at what level Spectre operates consistently during the fight. Sure he is more powerful, but the restrictions imposed more than prove to be earth's downfall. Unless of course, the celestials have already earned the wrath and needed to be judged upon.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
doesn't need permission to act? like not even being able to disclose a simple information. Even the appearance you site contains mention of that. He can't even kill darkseid cause the source won't allow him.

BTW, normal spectre has a host for about several decades now. You can't simply say he has the attitude and drive of DOV all of the sudden and still able to acquire additional powers from the Prescence like a version of him with the host.

Where is his uberness when Major Crisis occurs. Your telling me his on heaven and residing there yet when he's there, he couldn't simply snuff out the commotion. When he does appear later on to , he fix the situation but not after the damage has been dealt against the people who are supposed to be under his protection.