lol nah only shows u cant keep up 🙂 The Wrath and the Spectre/Aztar was forced to join The Word/Logos understand??? its a part of the Logos now which is perceived that way. The Spectre himself is called that because he uses the Spectre Force, which in DOV was taken away from him for a short time. the Spectre Force was used by Eclispo but it was to hard on humanity and God decided to get another being as the Wrath and which Aztar would become.. Come on Juntai keep up 😉
Originally posted by kevdude"I have not changed Hal -- you have! For at last you believe to the core of your being that there is hope... for yourself and the children of Earth. And in believing you have freed me from the tyranny of man's projections."
lol nah only shows u cant keep up 🙂 The Wrath and the Spectre/Aztar was forced to join The Word/Logos understand??? its a part of the Logos now which is perceived that way. The Spectre himself is called that because he uses the Spectre Force, which in DOV was taken away from him for a short time. the Spectre Force was used by Eclispo but it was to hard on humanity and God decided to get another being as the Wrath and which Aztar would become.. Come on Juntai keep up 😉
Hal: "This is your true face?"
"As best you can percieve it."
Hal: "Not a demon at all, you're a. . . a . . piece of God itself."
Then on page 14, for further backup..
"For far too long I have reflected darkness in the human heart. I have been everything they wanted me to be. For the moment at least, your belief has pierced the viel of The Wrath and revealed THE LOGOZ that lies beneath! But do you have the courage to continue seeing me this way? To overide the consensus of reality and embrace the possibilities of what you... what we... what the world...can become?"
That alone proves most of your theory wrong.
Hal saw past The Wrath, which was just a perception, and saw that it was actually The Logoz.
Then in the later issues of his series, Hal found that he was Hand of God, and could control the ebb and flow of Creation as whole[Time/Dimensions/Planes/Worlds/etc].
Which I also showed back a page or two.
He also found that The Logoz was doing all of that all along, just unconsciously, Hal merely found the way to understand and control that power.
Originally posted by kevdudeThe Wrath is NOT The Spectre. Hal was still The Spectre without The Wrath, he even changed into The Redemption rather than The Wrath.
well all that proves is what im saying is correct. the Wrath/Spectre is a perception of what the Logos/Word is, notice just before that Hal actually throwing off the Spectre and kept going and found the Logoz??? thats because its what the Spectre does, its his job is to be the Wrath.
Anyways, he saw that The Wrath was just a perception the denizens of the Universe give it, and that it was really The Logoz he was bonded to. He made mention of this dozens of times, which I also mentioned, quoted from the comics themselves, in this very thread. And from that point, Hal found that he was what he called Spectre Prime, and that his power was even farther reaching than that subconsciously. Then found how to contol that as well and that he was actually the Hand of God, and could control the ebb and flow of Creation as whole[Time/Dimensions/Planes/Worlds/etc]. He became the face of God to all of creation.
agree with Juntai..he has backed up everything he has said with quotes right out of the comics... and he seems pretty chilled to me, why do you keep telling him to chill out GS? you told him to chill like 3 times when he isnt even "wigging" over anything, except proving his point, which you can't disapprove, when you tell him to chill you're just trying to make him look bad.
Well everything i've said can be backed up and if u read it correctly then u would see where juntai is wrong. pretty much 99.8% of the time i've read what juntai has said everything is correct, this is however 1 of those time's in which he is wrong. go and look at the Spectre page on dcultimateguide.com or read some of the Hal/Spectre comics and i believe and it shows everything ive said is right. The Spectre/Azter is not the first person to use the Spectre Force (Eclispo was the first) but he was transformed into a being that is used and has a special bond to The Word.
If you look in DOV IC Special at the end we see The Spectre demanding for more power to destroy Nabu, he actually starts to shine from within himself when he is given that power, that power in which is The Logos/The Words power starts to shine out. this shows the Spectre is not the Word but its wrath.
Also if The Logoz is the Spectre then he would have had to rebel during the great war in Heaven, the Logos/Word has never rebelled against The Presence and never will! During Satan/Lucifer talking to Hal about the Wrath, he was wondering if God or the Universe had decided it(wrath/Spectre) was an outdated idea and that the universe needed now was redemption, Lucifer was debating Hal about whether the Spectre was still a fallen Angel (pointing to u Spectre is NOT the LOGOZ/WORD).
way to much information about the Spectre not being the Logoz/Word but a perception of it ( a perception the universe/god has given the Logoz/Word as its face the universe see's it rit now).
Originally posted by kevdudeLike I showed, as everyone else seems to see but you, the comics show differently than your point of view. Hal showed us what Spectre really is-- The Logoz. And Spectre IS NOT just the Wrath of The Logoz. Hal was the Spectre, he was NOT The Wrath, he was bonded to The Logoz, NOT The Wrath. I've given evidence to support all of this, why are you even still bothering to argue it? You're posting view and hearsay, I'm posting ACTUAL COMIC INFORMATION. WORDS DIRECTLY FROM THEM.
Well everything i've said can be backed up and if u read it correctly then u would see where juntai is wrong. pretty much 99.8% of the time i've read what juntai has said everything is correct, this is however 1 of those time's in which he is wrong. go and look at the Spectre page on dcultimateguide.com or read some of the Hal/Spectre comics and i believe and it shows everything ive said is right. The Spectre/Azter is not the first person to use the Spectre Force (Eclispo was the first) but he was transformed into a being that is used and has a special bond to The Word.If you look in DOV IC Special at the end we see The Spectre demanding for more power to destroy Nabu, he actually starts to shine from within himself when he is given that power, that power in which is The Logos/The Words power starts to shine out. this shows the Spectre is not the Word but its wrath.
Also if The Logoz is the Spectre then he would have had to rebel during the great war in Heaven, the Logos/Word has never rebelled against The Presence and never will! During Satan/Lucifer talking to Hal about the Wrath, he was wondering if God or the Universe had decided it(wrath/Spectre) was an outdated idea and that the universe needed now was redemption, Lucifer was debating Hal about whether the Spectre was still a fallen Angel (pointing to u Spectre is NOT the LOGOZ/WORD).
way to much information about the Spectre not being the Logoz/Word but a perception of it ( a perception the universe/god has given the Logoz/Word as its face the universe see's it rit now).
I doubt however, that anytime soon anyone else will find their experience as The Spectre the same way, most likely they will return to The Wrath, as no one else has Hal's pure force Willpower, save maybe Superman to push back the perceptions of existance as a whole. It is quite clear though, that Spectre is indeed The Logoz, and at the height of his power, is second only to The Presence, as he can control the ebb and flow of all creation and the souls within it. He took on the job of The Logoz. All in the name of Spectre, while, I reiterate, NOT BEING THE WRATH.
Funny thing is, this is not the first time it's happened either. At the end of volume 1 and 3 and 4, Spectre became nigh omnipotent and nearly The Presence's equal.