Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?

Started by finti35 pages
finti Senior Member

the blasphemous acts in Norway and Denmark are not in use anymore. and why they didnt chose to print the jesus cartoon, well I dont know, but we are so used to them no one seem to even notice whenever one is printed. But they didnt print the mohammed cartoons to provoke (dont know how many times Ive posted this but here it is again)
They are gonna make an educational religious books for kids in Denmark and needed some drawings of mohammed. They (the paper)held a contest for people to draw this prophet and they would pick the best drawings to be used in the book.
Now, they printed what they got in, so the printing of them can also be seen on as a criticism from the paper side whether to the fact that no artist took this task serious

markie calgon take me away

They should have got the pictures off the net and if muslims got mad about it they could say well muslims drew them. If it was just for a childrens book there shouldn't have been a problem.

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by debbiejo
How come you never get yelled at?

Back on topic....I agree, maybe

I used to all the time. Not in person but on the net whenever I posted something on a message board that critisizes islam somebody says you're islamophobic or that sites biased or something like that.

debbiejo Dreamer

No, I mean yelled at by a moderator... 🙄

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by maham
n u ppl use the word "terrorist' to make us feel guilt. n it is Islamophobia isn't it . they didn't publish the Jesus cartoons which they were given bfore so y these n yeah even in Denmark there R blasphemy laws sayin that a blasphemous act to a religion "recognized" in Denmark calls fr 6 months or so in prison thats wat a person got fr makin blasphemous cartoons abt Jesus in some other european country.a frwench muslim went to court to seek justice on this matter n wat did he get :nothin they turned down his application askin them to stop bein idiots,but u see they'r biasd n stubborn they wudn't stop.
Maybe some people are islamophobic but I don't think as many as you all claim. If somebody thinks all muslims are terrorists and he says it he would just be saying what he thought. That may or may not constitute a phobia. I was angry when I posted that but I think the word islamophobia is over used. If it was just for a children's book they should have got the pictures off the net. It may have upset some Sunni muslims but since those were made by other sects of muslims I don't think it would have caused the riots. If they knew that it was blasphemous in islam they shouldn't have printed them but then muslims shouldn't print a lot of cartoons and other stuff they print either. You can't expect us to respect islam if muslims don't respect other religions. Your laws should only apply to muslims and the only ones you should be mad at are those imams who commited blasphemy by making 4 pictures of mohammed. One was a pig face mohammed, one was a pediphile another was him getting screwed by a dog and the other was a devil faced mohammed which jp never did know about. If we treated muslims how muslims treat non muslims in saudi arabia I don't think we would have as many muslims as we have.

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by maham
n u ppl use the word "terrorist' to make us feel guilt. n it is Islamophobia isn't it . they didn't publish the Jesus cartoons which they were given bfore so y these n yeah even in Denmark there R blasphemy laws sayin that a blasphemous act to a religion "recognized" in Denmark calls fr 6 months or so in prison thats wat a person got fr makin blasphemous cartoons abt Jesus in some other european country.a frwench muslim went to court to seek justice on this matter n wat did he get :nothin they turned down his application askin them to stop bein idiots,but u see they'r biasd n stubborn they wudn't stop.
At least they didn't kill him or make him a dhemi like muslims do to christians in theirr countries.

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, I mean yelled at by a moderator... 🙄
It was on a christian message board and I have had some posts deleted. One time one of my threads was deleted that said that suggested that mohammed was a terrorist.

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by maham
n u ppl use the word "terrorist' to make us feel guilt. n it is Islamophobia isn't it .
I don't agree with making fun of a religion just to make fun of it but europe has a history of satarizing religion and I don't think islam should be exempt from it. To me satyr is not the same as making fun of. I think they were trying to make a point and the point they were trying to make isn't the point I think muslims think they were trying to make. If all muslims were terrorists we would be in the middle of WW111 right now and I don't think they were saying that. I think Mohammed looking like a terrorist represented the muslims that are terrorists. When he was on a cloud holding back the suicide bombers and he said stop we've run out of virgins he meant no to suicide bombing.

debbiejo Dreamer

Islamophobia Really is a word.......shocking

Islamophobia is the fear and/or hatred of Islam, Muslims or Islamic culture. Islamophobia can be characterised by the belief that all or most Muslims are religious fanatics, have violent tendencies towards non-Muslims, and reject as directly opposed to Islam such concepts as equality, tolerance, and democracy. It is viewed as a new form of racism whereby Muslims, an ethno-religious group, not a race, are nevertheless constructed as a race. A set of negative assumptions are made of the entire group to the detriment of members of that group. During the 1990’s many sociologists and cultural analysts observed a shift in forms of prejudice from ones based on skin colour to ones based on notions of cultural superiority and otherness

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

maham Senior Member
Originally posted by markie
At least they didn't kill him or make him a dhemi like muslims do to christians in theirr countries.

shud'v killed him.they didn't even sentence the cartoonist n banned the paper as they wud'v n that's my point

ImOne Junior Member

To be racist or phobic requires you hold a belief with no basis in fact.

Are people of middle eastern desent killing civilians?
Are these acts spurred by religious beliefs?

If I were riding a bus in Denmark and felt frightend when a young mid-east man boarded wearing a bulky coat that is not a phobia, that is survival instinct. Let's not throw out the facts just to be pollitically correct.

"Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?" I believe it would be both.

finti Senior Member

shud'v killed him.they didn't even sentence the cartoonist n banned the paper
there were multiple cartoonist not just one, and banned the paper from what? shud'v killed him yeah true words of a moron

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by maham
shud'v killed him.they didn't even sentence the cartoonist n banned the paper as they wud'v n that's my point
Is this the first thought you came up with?? 😕 ..........When not in agreement, kill them?

markie calgon take me away

Re: Re: Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I'm not sure about the intentions of the newspaper, or what they should do now, but I don't really see why the PM should need to apologise for that.
They shuld deport the imams because they were the ones who brought the pictures and thrree more that were made by the imams to arabia and started this whole mess. If they don't want to live by the host coutry's laws they should go back where they came from. This could have been handled in denmark but they got most of the muslims upset and now somebody is liable to make an animated movie about him.

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by debbiejo
Islamophobia Really is a word.......shocking

Islamophobia is the fear and/or hatred of Islam, Muslims or Islamic culture. Islamophobia can be characterised by the belief that all or most Muslims are religious fanatics, have violent tendencies towards non-Muslims, and reject as directly opposed to Islam such concepts as equality, tolerance, and democracy. It is viewed as a new form of racism whereby Muslims, an ethno-religious group, not a race, are nevertheless constructed as a race. A set of negative assumptions are made of the entire group to the detriment of members of that group. During the 1990’s many sociologists and cultural analysts observed a shift in forms of prejudice from ones based on skin colour to ones based on notions of cultural superiority and otherness

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Wikopedia is usually a good source but it also says that any body can edit it on the main page so it's best to look at other sourses as well. I looked at the yahoo dictionary and it defines islamophobia as an irrational fear of islam. A phobia is an irational fear so islamophobia would propably mean an irrational fear of islam xenophobia is a fear of things that are foreign and a phobia doesn't necessariily mean hate. Even if it does somebody's fear or hate mayy not be irrational. Oppinions are usually based on experience or contact with it could mean he just didn't like his experence with it whether it was reading the koran or real life or something else.

markie calgon take me away

Originally posted by maham
shud'v killed him.they didn't even sentence the cartoonist n banned the paper as they wud'v n that's my point
I didn't say they should have and they didn't but christians are either kill, converted or given a dhemi status in saudi arabia and other islamic countries. Ths thing is going on in nigeria and they didn't have any thing to do with printing the pictures. I don't think christians in africa printed any of those pictures but their churches are being burned.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by markie
Wikopedia is usually a good source but it also says that any body can edit it on the main page so it's best to look at other sourses as well. I looked at the yahoo dictionary and it defines islamophobia as an irrational fear of islam. A phobia is an irational fear so islamophobia would propably mean an irrational fear of islam xenophobia is a fear of things that are foreign and a phobia doesn't necessariily mean hate. Even if it does somebody's fear or hate mayy not be irrational. Oppinions are usually based on experience or contact with it could mean he just didn't like his experence with it whether it was reading the koran or real life or something else.
Well there ARE reasons to be fearful...and I wouldn't call it a phobia..

markie calgon take me away

I understand why Muslims got upset about the pictures but not enough to riot and when that new cartoon came out that showed Muhammad saying It's hard to be loved by fools. they got mad too. That wasn't making fun of mohammed that was making fun of the rioters. I think the riots mock islam more than any cartoons could. Muslims mock their "religion of peace" more than the europeans ever could.

debbiejo Dreamer

Anyone who riots because of cartoons is a fool and not worthy of the skin they are wearing!

Koala MeatPie Tonk's Husband

-=- My Views On the Muslim Cartoons -=-

My Views Expressed through the mouth of a Middle Eastern Muslim:

"We do not like your generalized stereotypical Portraying of Our people, We do not like you showing us as violent fundamentalist ingrates.

So we will rampage the streets, burn down your embassies, and kill 20 people.
Without Forgetting to put a bounty on the cartoonist's head"