Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?

originally posted by PVS
im NOT condoning violence. all i am saying is this:
the editors KNEW it would get a violent reaction, and they
printed it anyway.

Originally posted by finti
expression through violence and threats?

expression thru insults n abuse?

Originally posted by Ulven
The muslims who are protesting may do so as much as they like. The muslims who are making death threats, burning Danish and Norwegian embassies and flags of many western countries are just shooting themselves in the foot.

If you're going to protest against cartoons of Muhammed with a bomb-shaped turban, don't do it by threatening to blow yourselves up, thus proving the point!!! Recently, the "Islamic Army" made a statement that any Danish/Norwegian captured in Iraq would be cut into pieces...again they only demonize themselves by resorting to violence.

I'm a pretty tolerant man myself, but I don't find it hard to understand that these actions are like fuel on a fire to many people about their views upon Islam.

I agree wholeheartedly (sp?) with you Ushgurak, the newspaper didn't commit to any faults in my view. If you can't tolerate to be critisized, you're fitting the stereotypical version of a muslim. I'm not saying you have to agree though, but that doesn't justify violent actions.

I think the re-printing of these articles are important, the muslim countries shouldn't be allowed to dictate what we print, and neither should any other religion/country etc. Freedom of speach must not be opressed by violence, that's for sure!

v don't see freedom of speech when it comes to denyin the holocaust

does it only concern insults to Prophets n religions?! v don't c much ppl speakin against the brits beatin the Iraqi youth up?is that justice?

well we dont follow the laws of Islam so to us it aint insults cause we dont see mohammed as a nothing but a historical person, and what is the abuse here. And to me with the latest events in Iraq it seems like muslims really doesnt care to much about their so called holly places either.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
I seriously doubt relations with the Islamic world will ever improve. Study history. There has always been conflict between Muslims and non Muslims. Just look at the reaction a stupid cartoon is causing. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims rioting. That's not just a few extremeists. And all over what?

3yrs jail to david irving. fr wat ?denyin the holocaust?did any1 point that stupid decision out?

n no need to hav that yet again insultin sig.talk abt wat u believe n just leave others alone.

3yrs jail to david irving. fr wat ?denyin the holocaust?did any1 point that stupid decision out?

n no need to hav that yet again insultin sig.talk abt wat u believe n just leave others alone.

ok I see it wasnt refered to what I wrote, sorry

Originally posted by finti
well we dont follow the laws of Islam so to us it aint insults cause we dont see mohammed as a nothing but a historical person, and what is the abuse here. And to me with the latest events in Iraq it seems like muslims really doesnt care to much about their so called holly places either.

v'r not askin u to n that's the point isn't it if don't blieve in it just leave it

n Muslims DO care abt there religious places cuz nobody kno fr sure who did that bomb blast

v'r not askin u to n that's the point isn't it if don't blieve in it just leave it

n Muslims DO care abt there religious places cuz nobody kno fr sure who did that bomb blast

Originally posted by PVS

1-the cartoonist depicted how fundamentalists go apeshit over the very thing that they were printing

2-since they are such experts on action/reaction in such a case, as the cartoonist was dead on in his representation as echuu put it, then logic dictates that it was baiting.

1. I don't think the depictions were geared as much toward violent Muslim reaction to things but rather to a general state of violence in Muslim religion/communities as a whole.

One of the pictures has a line of suicide bombers in heaven and a man running up to them saying something to the effect of 'Sorry we are out of virgins!'

I don't think that is depicting how 'funamentalists go apeshit over the very thing that they were printing' but rather what I said above: 'a general state of violence in Muslim religion/communities as a whole.'

2. I don't know about experts; just drawing what they thought.

One of the pictures has a line of suicide bombers in heaven and a man running up to them saying something to the effect of 'Sorry we are out of virgins!'

It's funny though....... ✅

Besides there are cartoons about Jesus everywhere...

seems like jesus had a sense of humor, after all he did make wine out of water

Yeah.....Wine!!!......I'm sure he drank it toooo..

Originally posted by maham
n u ppl use the word "terrorist' to make us feel guilt. n it is Islamophobia isn't it . they didn't publish the Jesus cartoons which they were given bfore so y these n yeah even in Denmark there R blasphemy laws sayin that a blasphemous act to a religion "recognized" in Denmark calls fr 6 months or so in prison thats wat a person got fr makin blasphemous cartoons abt Jesus in some other european country.a frwench muslim went to court to seek justice on this matter n wat did he get :nothin they turned down his application askin them to stop bein idiots,but u see they'r biasd n stubborn they wudn't stop.

MECCA, SAUDI ARABIA - In a press release this Tuesday, Britney Spears confirmed rumors that she has indeed converted to Islam. According to friends, Spears became interested in spiritual matters after becoming pregnant with her baby boy. "I totally was getting fat, and it made me realize that so much of my identity was centered on having a flat stomach. I began to consider the epistemological assumptions behind my actions." Unlike many Americans, Spears didn't discover Jesus — she discovered Karim, owner of the corner tanning salon. "All those late night conversations with Karim resolved so many of the ontological issues that were weighing so heavily upon my soul," says Spears. "Rock- solid abs come and go, but the word of Allah is eternal." Spears has already given a new name to her newborn son: Muhammed Abdul Federline (formerly Sean Preston).

The move shocked her Western fans, who associated Spears with everything they treasure about the American way of life. In the words of 14-year-old fan Katelynn Brooks, Britney stood for "freedom, flirtiness, and female promiscuity—the stuff that makes democracy worth fighting for!" Predictably, Spears' conversion also provoked harsh criticism from Christian leaders. Ashley Smith, editor of Brio, a Christian magazine for girls, has emerged as a prominent critic. Speaking on The O'Reilly Factor, Smith observed: "Britney showed how our Christian culture empowers women sexually. In our country, God-fearing girls can be a flirty little cock-tease in public and a prude in the sack. But in Muslim societies, women have to keep their virginity AND be modest in public. It's sick. By converting to Islam, Britney is sending our daughters mixed messages about True Godly Womanhood."

Surprisingly, many of her detractors in the Arab world also expressed distress. Says hard line Iranian traditionalist Omar al Sadr, "You would think we would be thrilled! But our whole movement centered on the OLD Britney Spears. She was the object lesson that proved the need for coercive controls on female sexuality. For crying out loud, we used to show her music videos to recruit mujaddin. You have no idea how many suicide bombers were inspired by her decadence! Now that she's veiled herself, we will have to redo all of our promotional material."

Local Tehran Cleric, and vocal moderate Mustafa Wahabi added, "Now don't get me wrong. Like 99 percent of the Islamic world, I abhor terrorism, and I despise the fundamentalist groups who are distorting traditional Islamic values for their own political purposes. But I still have to agree with Omar about this Britney thing. Who am I supposed to replace her with on my top five list of infidels? Allah, it would be nice if you could throw me a bone here...if it be your will, that is."

In an exclusive interview with Al Jazeera, Britney argued she has always felt the call of Muslim orthodoxy. "Even when I was recording those songs about having sex with men who weren't my husband, I was already being drawn to Allah. If you look back, you can see it in my music. For example, in hindsight my hit single "Oops, I did it again," was clearly about the proper penance that we celebrate at the festival of Ashura, to remember how Imam Husain bravely sacrificed himself to the Umayyad army. Evidently it did make some people mad. http://pakstop.com/pmforums/showthread.php?p=643682#post643682
But don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see.
its not news, abuhanzla. its somebody trying to be all smart and slick and insult islam through satire.

How would that be insulting islam? If Cat Stevans converted she might have. He is a sheik now his name is yusef something he was a rock singer.

Originally posted by finti
that was not one of the drawings printed in the Danish paper

Sorry mate.. bad source and bad me for not double, triple checking.

Originally posted by maham
shud'v killed him.they didn't even sentence the cartoonist n banned the paper as they wud'v n that's my point

Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
My Views Expressed through the mouth of a Middle Eastern Muslim:

"We do not like your generalized stereotypical Portraying of Our people, We do not like you showing us as violent fundamentalist ingrates.

So we will rampage the streets, burn down your embassies, and kill 20 people.
Without Forgetting to put a bounty on the cartoonist's head"

Originally posted by maham
expression thru insults n abuse?

Originally posted by maham
3yrs jail to david irving. fr wat ?denyin the holocaust?did any1 point that stupid decision out?

n no need to hav that yet again insultin sig.talk abt wat u believe n just leave others alone.