Originally posted by jinzin
hmmm I've been seriously missinformed...there were multiple members running around claiming that udon comics was infact the canon storyline...
I thought there were multiple interviews claiming such as well....
It's not canon in events but in the ability of the sfers so are many non canon sources, Chun li has this by the way.
no reason?
not really....
for instance... punch for punch they're probably around equal (though feats have shown her incapible of KOing a random thug with multiple kicks while spiderman has taken one down with a flick to the face, feat wise it would seem spiderman backs more destructive power than chun)... but spiderman most likely has superior durability...
chun li's durability is only has strong as her chi which runs off a human endurance/stamina and chi attacks are draining for sf'ers as it is, meanwhile spiderman has a constant durability level and has superior endurance and stamina to that of any regular human...
chun li has better hand to hand skills but they won't matter if she can't get within range to use them... plus she could land a flurry of hits and still be unsuccessful in taking spiderman out depending on where she hits him and with what, however she can't say the same if he hits her with a flurry of hits (i.e. vega example)... the fact that his spider sense compensates for most of the hit's she could possibly land on him is going to make engaging him h2h an uphill battle... (though not impossible)
when it comes to range, again her attack is only as fast as it takes for her to say it, and it's going to take it's toll on her energy reserves... that coupled with spiderman's spidersense and her ranged attack will be near useless... Granted she could go for a more area effective attack but lets look at things staight here...
Chun li's best presented feat concerning her ki blast was the one displayed of her pushing all those cars around in the parking lot, and causing a small crater. This attack didn't however appear to do much damage to other life energy.. what's worse...
spiderman's proven incredible durability to such blasts... for instance his battle with electro...
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hell when he DOES get KOed it's not even by electro... but rather, the fall....
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notice, 3rd to last image:.. the size of explosion levels a building top.... it heavily outweighs the size and internsity of anythings chun's displayed so far... and that's after ALL the damage he took during the duration of the fight.
so there are quite a few reasons for spiderman winning this fight.. just because you haven't been able to grasp them doesn't change the fact....
acutally SF2#1 shes been show to
1 knockout three random thugs with one kick ( she uses the spining bird kick, this move is so fast that the thugs don't have time to react.
2 dodge a bullet after it was fire.
3 knock out a random thug with one kick and not only does she knock him out but she her kick is so powerful that it cracks concrete.
Originally posted by unrealman
acutally SF2#1 shes been show to1 knockout three random thugs with one kick ( she uses the spining bird kick, this move is so fast that the thugs don't have time to react.
yes, you're correct, but it still doesn't detract from the fact the she was shown not to ko a thug with multiple kicks before that. And shown not to KO vega with a flurry of kicks as well (and that was after a tough fight). AND it's not NEAR a "flick to the face KO" which spiderman has boasted on several occasions...
Originally posted by unrealman
2 dodge a bullet after it was fire.
not sure what exactly you're attempting to argue against here, but this is almost a "nothing feat" compared to other comic book humans...
snake eyes and firefly speed blitzed an entire posse of automatic armed totin gunmen at point blank without getting touched by one bullet, wolverine did the same to a platoon of russian soldiers, captain america did the same to a platoon of german toop, batman does this on a regular basis...
there's a reason that spidey's considered by most (though perhaps not by myself) to be in another league where dodging bullets is concerned.
Originally posted by unrealman
3 knock out a random thug with one kick and not only does she knock him out but she her kick is so powerful that it cracks concrete.
same answer as I gave for your number 1...
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Chun li has this by the way.
THEN you claimed he couldn't dodge someone with decent speed and skill, another fallacy, spiderman's always been able to compete with people of excellent speed and skill... for instance, kraven the hunter. When street level characters do manage to land hits on him it's because they're already well aware of his spider sense and are compensating for it with their strikes or/and because they have alternate abilities to fall back onto which help (foreigner: tk, daredevil: radar sense, wolverine: superior endurance, near super human speed, cap A: senses shifts in air patterns, unlimited endurance and 65 years of experience). Hell...the closest example that spiderman has had to dealing with a "street fighter" is his bout with iron fist... Iron fist is expertly trained, has the ability to amp himself with chi AND had the advantage of knowing his surroundings (turned off the light to force spiderman to fight in complete darkness with boobytraps set up) and spiderman still was able to deal with him rather handily.
THEN I saw your argument that spider man can't match chun in fighting ability... and while I actually agree with you here, the point that you're neglecting or ignoring is simply that he doesn't really have to. He's more demensional than simple h2h fighting. Hell he could just let chun wear herself out trying to reach him if he wanted to.. In (strictly speaking) h2h yeah he's at a disadvantage, but then again... vega a man with human speed and agility was almost too fast for chun li to keep up with... now add on some super human stats to that and a spider sense and it's a wonder you think she'll be able to land a blow much less win in h2h... (though admittedly if she starts her hurricane of fast kicks it's gonna be hard for spidey to deal.)
Also, your argument that feats don't matter isn't really accurate as feats must be used as a statute of comparison or the ever so popular spidey argument of: "spidey's opponent is human thus he/she loses" is actually acceptable, and to be honest, it's not.
If feats don't matter it's as simple as: "chun li's human and spiderman's superhuman ergo chun li loses" You and I both know it's not that simple and feats do have a great deal to do with that... In fact it's feats of well trained humans that have faired well against spiderman that even make this match interesting.
Finally, the bulk of your argument was an attack of spiderman's fighting style (as I really don't think he's got a "fighting ability" per say) based on the fact that his fighting style is useless if he doesn't have his powers... well yeah... that's true.. but think about it, he NEEDS his powers to have the fighting style he does at all!... his agility, speed and ss are all part (or tools rather) of his fighting style that make it effective... Your thesis that it sucks since it's not effective without his powers is rather ridiculous... Take for instance a boxer, he's fighting style is going to be one which has a strict emphasis on the upper body, so under the premise of a hypothetical situation in which he lost his arms, he couldn't fight using his "style", which (according to your logic) obviously makes boxing worthless as a fighting stlye correct?
WRONG! It's a simple matter of having self determined strengths and weaknesses and using those strengths (or powers) as tools to build a superior fighting style with what suits you.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneNo, but he doesn't need to, on most occasions, his spider sense makes him aware of incoming attacks before the person begins to move.
"Can he read body movements?"
Originally posted by Blue nocturneNo, but again he doesn't need to he punches with the lifting force of 15 tons.... enough stopping power to take down titanium doors with his bare fists... (titanium>>>iron)
"Does he draw power correctly?"
Originally posted by Blue nocturneIs Chun Li's? This really depends more on the mentality of the fighter, not their powers... a rather silly question imo.
"Is it accurate hitting the enemy's weak spot?"
Originally posted by Blue nocturneYes his style can adapt (without his powers it's not his style anymore since his powers are what make his style so him without his powers is a moot point) due to his spider sense.
"And the most important question can it adapt (Can he use it without his powers) ?"
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
"And I asked you how effective is it on multiple post,So once again how effective is his style?"
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
"So if spiderman lost his powers his fighting style would be enough to defend him in a fight that's what I'm asking really can it help him beat a street thug or the average joe?"
actually i hasn't arguing about any thing I was just posting feats so people could read them
hell here are some batman feats
1 Knock down a tree with a kick ( I am not kidding ).
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http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=109793&page=4&pp=15&highlight=grizzly+bear
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I know what both characters are capable of doing and I like them both but I'm going with Spidey here. Why?
Because he has something that Chun Li doesn't: 'Spider-sense'
And he also has superhuman agility and reflexes.
If you combine these pieces of information it will be nearly impossible for Chun Li to get a direct hit in.
And Spidey is also stronger than Chun and has web which would give her problem for sure
yeah Spidey wins!
Originally posted by Gouki
Alright, man, no need to go over what it takes to beat Chun-li. You need to chill out, a lil' on the info, because Blue Nocturne knows that she lost. If he doesn't, then that's his little problem.
Jinzin I've said that chun li would have problems with spider man's long range attacks but I also stated that chunli has projectiles and that counts as a long range attack, Your theory about chun li's chi is flawed chi is equivalent to your stamina/energy it gets wasted when you do any action even when your typing like I'm if chun li does a kikoushou it's sort of like her running 70 laps straight ( That's just a guess but basically it makes her fatigues because she uses alot of stamina but chun li's stamina rivals a athlete) and as for spider man dodging bullets black adam corrected me so I know he can dodge bullets at point blank now...And chun li doesn't need to do her "Hundred bursting kick" to kill spidey her strikes are deadly also as spider man's attacks are PIS.
