Anakin Skywalker Vs Mace Windu · Star Wars Versus Forum

Sin Harvest Sonic Speed

I'd have to say that Anakin is on par with Mace in lightsaber combat. Everyone says Mace is about Dooku's equal and Anakin defeated the Count in lightsaber combat.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Anakin beat Dooku, Mace's equal at LEAST, how is Anakin beating Mace far fetched?

Rampant ox Senior Member

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Anakin beat Dooku, Mace's equal at LEAST, how is Anakin beating Mace far fetched?

I dont want to turn this into a Dooku vs Mace thread but Mace being the Counts equal AT LEAST is a load of bull sh*t. They were on par completely - with the Count very very slightly having the advantage.

Razielim KGB

Yeah, I'd say Dooku >= Mace too. But that doesn't mean Anakin would beat him...

overlord OD'd

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I dont want to turn this into a Dooku vs Mace thread but Mace being the Counts equal AT LEAST is a load of bull sh*t. They were on par completely - with the Count very very slightly having the advantage.

Uhmmm.. No, Mace had become far better than Dooku by the time of ROTS even though Dooku began using the dark side. You won't see Dooku winning from Sidious.. Ever!

Rampant ox Senior Member

Originally posted by overlord
Uhmmm.. No, Mace had become far better than Dooku by the time of ROTS even though Dooku began using the dark side. You won't see Dooku winning from Sidious.. Ever!

I disagree, but im not arguing the point now.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Mace's at least Dooku's equal. He'd improved heavily since they last fought as had Dooku

DePWNZOR Senior Member

Mace>Dooku. It's obvious, from the way he pwnd Sidious.

Mace can pwn the whiny white "chosen one" too.

overlord OD'd

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Mace's at least Dooku's equal. He'd improved heavily since they last fought as had Dooku

It's just that Mace could overcome Sidious (or let him slip up), Dooku would never be able to do this.. But if Mace is already able to defeat Sidious, then who am I to say that he is not indeed far more powerful than most can imagine. Dooku also improved but Mace his improvement was massive IMO.

Sin Harvest Sonic Speed

Originally posted by overlord
It's just that Mace could overcome Sidious (or let him slip up), Dooku would never be able to do this.. But if Mace is already able to defeat Sidious, then who am I to say that he is not indeed far more powerful than most can imagine. Dooku also improved but Mace his improvement was massive IMO.

Yeah but Palpatine had a chance to kill Mace and Anakin pwned Dooku.

Borbarad Advocatus Diaboli

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Yeah but Palpatine had a chance to kill Mace and Anakin pwned Dooku.

Oh yes...Anakin "pwned" Dooku - after he had his own dumb self and his beloved friend Obi-Wan tossed through the room by the person he "pwned", right ? Does this "pwnage" include getting kicked through the room by Dooku while Dooku force choked Obi-Wan and then through him across the set ?

It's so damn obvious that Dooku wasn't giving Anakin all he could that it's almost pathetic how people keep arguing this. We have seen that Anakin isn't a match for neither Dooku nor Mace (hell...he couldn't overcome Obi-Wan) in terms of force powers. He is a quite skilled duellist, yes - how is that going to help him against the lightsaber prodigy of the PT Jedi order ? It won't ? Nice.

Rampant ox Senior Member

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh yes...Anakin "pwned" Dooku - after he had his own dumb self and his beloved friend Obi-Wan tossed through the room by the person he "pwned", right ? Does this "pwnage" include getting kicked through the room by Dooku while Dooku force choked Obi-Wan and then through him across the set ?
It's so damn obvious that Dooku wasn't giving Anakin all he could that it's almost pathetic how people keep arguing this. We have seen that Anakin isn't a match for neither Dooku nor Mace (hell...he couldn't overcome Obi-Wan) in terms of force powers. He is a quite skilled duellist, yes - how is that going to help him against the lightsaber prodigy of the PT Jedi order ? It won't ? Nice.

I agree.

Sorry Lightsnake/overlord but if i recall Anakin chopped Mace's arm off as well as Dooku's. And if Mace won how come he was thrown out the window by Sids lightning? Mace lost to Sids- just like Dooku probably would. Dooku and Mace are equals.

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Mace didn't lose to Sids, he won. It would have been over had Anakin not interfered. The only reasn Mace was thrown out a window at all was simply because he got his arm lopped off by someone who was supposed to be his allie and Sith killer. I mean, would you really expect the one who is supposed to destroy the sith to end up sympathizing with the Sith and attacking you? You, who have known this person for years.

Rampant ox Senior Member

But then there is the whole debate in whether Sids was holding back. I cant be bothered arguing that (even though he was holding back). But the point I was making is that Mace and the Count are equal.

BlaxicanTroller Restricted

Originally posted by Rampant ox
But then there is the whole debate in whether Sids was holding back. I cant be bothered arguing that (even though he was holding back).

Yeah i was gonna mention that, the speculation that Sids was holding back.

overlord OD'd

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I agree.
Sorry Lightsnake/overlord but if i recall Anakin chopped Mace's arm off as well as Dooku's. And if Mace won how come he was thrown out the window by Sids lightning? Mace lost to Sids- just like Dooku probably would. Dooku and Mace are equals.

Oh yes, now Mace lost to Sidious? You are delusional. And yes, Anakin chopped off Mace his arm but Mace wasn't exactly fighting him, was he?
Dooku could never defeat Sidious and mace is way beyond his level by the time of ROTS.

@Borborad, YES yes!! He didn't give his all! Of course! He lowered his attention span just so he could be surprised by Anakin. Get serious dude, Anakin beat him. You don't let yourself get killed if you're toying, you'd be attacking less and defend more, this is basic logic.

Borbarad Advocatus Diaboli

Originally posted by overlord
@Borborad, YES yes!! He didn't give his all! Of course! He lowered his attention span just so he could be surprised by Anakin. Get serious dude, Anakin beat him. You don't let yourself get killed if you're toying, you'd be attacking less and defend more, this is basic logic.

Dooku stopped using the force and was told not to kill Anakin before but just fight and (eventually) defeat him. I'd call it a serious limitation if you are not allowed to kill your opponent and deceide not to use your powers against him that were enough to floor him and his master 30 seconds before.

And of course the best thing is taunting your opponent into using his anger instead of trying to keep it under control which makes your opponent more powerful in this particular situation.

Basic logic ? Basic logic doesn't mean that "If Mace and Dooku are basically equal, and Anakin beat Dooku, he must beat Mace". That's no logical reasoning. It's BS.

Saberwise Mace has the advantage to have mastered Anakin's style in order to create his own and he's still using the "most deadly form of lightsaber combat". Then he has his Shatterpoint ability and considerable force mastery on is own seeing that he was second in command of the order and had his ass on the Council at the age of 28 were other people had just become Jedi Knights normally.

So...what is Anakin going to do against him. He was unable to beat Kenobi who would have no chance against Mace. Anakin simply lacks control over his abilities.

Jam-Jul_Lison Dark Jedi Master

Originally posted by Borbarad
Dooku stopped using the force and was told not to kill Anakin before but just fight and (eventually) defeat him. I'd call it a serious limitation if you are not allowed to kill your opponent and deceide not to use your powers against him that were enough to floor him and his master 30 seconds before.
And of course the best thing is taunting your opponent into using his anger instead of trying to keep it under control which makes your opponent more powerful in this particular situation.
Basic logic ? Basic logic doesn't mean that "If Mace and Dooku are basically equal, and Anakin beat Dooku, he must beat Mace". That's no logical reasoning. It's BS.
Saberwise Mace has the advantage to have mastered Anakin's style in order to create his own and he's still using the "most deadly form of lightsaber combat". Then he has his Shatterpoint ability and considerable force mastery on is own seeing that he was second in command of the order and had his ass on the Council at the age of 28 were other people had just become Jedi Knights normally.
So...what is Anakin going to do against him. He was unable to beat Kenobi who would have no chance against Mace. Anakin simply lacks control over his abilities.

Well said. Dooku and Mace might have been equals at one point. But since that time Mace had improved a lot. However Dooku did not try his hardest though. Had he used some force powers he would have crushed Anakin. Anakin simply overpowered him and performed a tricky manuever to cut off Dooku's hands. Simple as that. It does not make him better. Dooku underestimated Anakin and paid the price. Anakin could not beat Mace. Mace would not waste his time taunting Anakin like Dooku did. Mace did also beat Sidious. Though I think Sidious was holding back. I imagine he sensed Anakin coming and took a chance that Anakin would show up there. He made Anakin make the hardest choice of his life.

overlord OD'd

Originally posted by Borbarad
Dooku stopped using the force and was told not to kill Anakin before but just fight and (eventually) defeat him. I'd call it a serious limitation if you are not allowed to kill your opponent and deceide not to use your powers against him that were enough to floor him and his master 30 seconds before.
And of course the best thing is taunting your opponent into using his anger instead of trying to keep it under control which makes your opponent more powerful in this particular situation.

Yeah, just stop using the force, eh? Sure buddy, whatever you say. He suddenly went on fighting like normal people do, didn't he so he wouldn't exidently kill Anakin.
And if he in some weird way made Anakin more powerful then he should have anticipated and not get surprised or overpowered like he did.
I don't know if you make things up but it makes no sense that Dooku would begin holding back and make sure he gets overpowered like he did. Whatever, you people just wouldn't like the idea of Anakin being better than Dooku. Maybe Anakin was more in tune with the force! Maybe that's how he reacted better!

Basic logic ? Basic logic doesn't mean that "If Mace and Dooku are basically equal, and Anakin beat Dooku, he must beat Mace". That's no logical reasoning. It's BS.

You're retarded, why do you suddenly bring that up again when I'm saying that toying doesn't involve lowering your defenses or lowering your attention span.

Saberwise Mace has the advantage to have mastered Anakin's style in order to create his own and he's still using the "most deadly form of lightsaber combat". Then he has his Shatterpoint ability and considerable force mastery on is own seeing that he was second in command of the order and had his ass on the Council at the age of 28 were other people had just become Jedi Knights normally.
So...what is Anakin going to do against him. He was unable to beat Kenobi who would have no chance against Mace. Anakin simply lacks control over his abilities.

Nah, it's not the lack of control. Mace Windu is just far better than Dooku and probably better than Anakin as well so you can stop the "If Mace and Dooku are basically equal, and Anakin beat Dooku, he must beat Mace" you accuse people of.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I agree.
Sorry Lightsnake/overlord but if i recall Anakin chopped Mace's arm off

Anakin did not cut off Mace's hand in actual one on one combat (as Dooku did to him), he only did so because Mace's blade was already on the down swing, and it would have been virtually impossible for him to have stopped his swing in time to avoid Anakin's chickenshit attack. Anakin only cut off Dooku's hands because he physically grabbed hold of his arms (preventing him from using his lightsaber) and then cut his hands off, he did not do so inactual blade to blade combat as Dooku did to him. It was, like what he did to Mace, a chickenshit attack.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
And if Mace won how come he was thrown out the window by Sids lightning?

He wasn't. If you watch the scene, a second before Mace goes flying, there is a grunt of exertion. That is because Sam pushed himself out on the wires. He was not ratcheted out. That choice of technique suggests that in the story, Mace used the Force to fling himself out of the window and risk the fall (which could have been surviveable) than stay and get fried by the lightning.

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
And while I am pretty sure this is fanboyish BS that I heard here I also heard that he did it using his off hand

Do you mean his left hand? Although Hayden Christensen writes with his right hand, he has a tendency to wield his lightsaber left-handed (possibly ambidextrous)

So what you think of as his 'off hand', might not necessarily be the case.