Anakin Skywalker Vs Mace Windu · Star Wars Versus Forum

Jam-Jul_Lison Dark Jedi Master

Dooku was trying to get Anakin angry to turn him to the dark side. He did not expect Anakin to be as powerful as he was when he was angry so he was caught off guard and overpowered. It is as simple as that.

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Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
Dooku was trying to get Anakin angry to turn him to the dark side. He did not expect Anakin to be as powerful as he was when he was angry so he was caught off guard and overpowered. It is as simple as that.

Yes, although I think it was more a case of physical strength (a young man over powering a much older one) than Force powers or fencing skill. As I said, Anakin did not cut Dooku's hands off during blade to blade combat (as Dooku had done to him) he physically grabbed his arms, immobilizing his lightsaber, and then cut his hands off, a totally chickenshit move.

Jam-Jul_Lison Dark Jedi Master

when i said powerful i was refering to physical strength

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Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
when i said powerful i was refering to physical strength

That's what I thought, I just wanted to clarrify, as a lot of the time people refer to a Jedi's power as their ability to use the Force, not their physical strength (and your comment turned the page, so my previous mention of Anakin's status as a chickenshit might have been missed 😉 )

Jam-Jul_Lison Dark Jedi Master

You do not know how happy I was to see Anakin get badly hurt from his fight with obi-wan. Anakin runs his mouth way to much. I hate Anakin. Though I do like Vader in the OT. Ever notice how different Vader from the OT acts compared to him as Anakin or non mechanical vader in ROTS. Yes he is a good duelest, he is physicaly strong (Even stronger when angry), and has decent force skills. But that does not mean he is the most powerful person in ROTS. In terms of lightsaber skill he close to Dooku is skill but Dooku is still better. In terms of Force powers and control Dooku is a lot higher. As is Yoda, Mace, Palpatine and the rest of the Jedi Council except with maybe the exception of Obi-Wan. Fact is he could not beat Obi-Wan and it is safe to assume that he can not beat Mace, Yoda, Sidious and possibly the rest of the jedi council.

Count Kent Restricted

He could defeat any of the council with the exception of Mace Windu and Yoda. Did you miss him defeating Assaj Ventress, or Durge, or Count Dooku, or Cin Drallig, or Jocastu Nu, or Shaak Ti or Stass Allie? Did you forget about his purging of the jedi?

Jam-Jul_Lison Dark Jedi Master

Actualy most of the jedi council were offworld on missions as were many most of the jedi. The Clone Troopers killed most of the Jedi that were left. Then do not forget the jedi that were with Mace when he went to arrest Windu. You saw what happened to them. All the people left in the jedi temple were mostly just a bunch of younglings and a few jedi knights. All of which stood little chance against Anakin and an army of clone troopers. He only beat Dooku by physicly overpowering him which Dooku had not been expecting and was caught off guard. If dooku had been trying to kill him, Anakin would have been dead. I am sick of people making such a big deal over him. Here are his big acomplishments in ROTS. He physicly overpowered an old man who was not trying to kill him. Cut off his hands. Then killed him even though he had no weapon. He led Windu to Palpatine, then instead of helping out Windu he cheap shots him cutting off his arm. He then proceeds to wipe out the remaining jedi in the temple with the help of an army. He kills all the little kids. Then he force chokes his wife. The reality of what he had became made Padme loose the will to live. Not exactly an amazing list of accomplishment so me. If anything he shows he is nothing more then a coward.

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In ROTS alone, he killed Dooku (may have been lucky and Dooku may have been toying with him and holding back and trying to turn him to the dark side, however it is still pretty impressive), purged the jedi (may have been mostly younglings and knights with lots of help from clones, but still impressive), defeated Cin Drallig (who was incredible) and many of his students including Serra Keto, defeated Jocastu Nu who had once been on the council, defeated Shaak Ti, defeated Stass Allie and many other masters, and was able to outclass and toy with his master when he himself was in fact not in the best conditions to fight and only lost because he was complacent, arrogant and unlucky.

Jam-Jul_Lison Dark Jedi Master

You Anakin fan boys realy make me laugh. Yes anakin is skilled not the best. That is the point I was trying to make.

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Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
You do not know how happy I was to see Anakin get badly hurt from his fight with obi-wan. Anakin runs his mouth way to much. I hate Anakin. Though I do like Vader in the OT. Ever notice how different Vader from the OT acts compared to him as Anakin or non mechanical vader in ROTS. Yes he is a good duelest, he is physicaly strong (Even stronger when angry), and has decent force skills. But that does not mean he is the most powerful person in ROTS. In terms of lightsaber skill he close to Dooku is skill but Dooku is still better. In terms of Force powers and control Dooku is a lot higher. As is Yoda, Mace, Palpatine and the rest of the Jedi Council except with maybe the exception of Obi-Wan. Fact is he could not beat Obi-Wan and it is safe to assume that he can not beat Mace, Yoda, Sidious and possibly the rest of the jedi council.

I agree with you completely there, although I don't hate Anakin, as I can see the reasons for his actions are not intentionally selfish. He was essentially a good person, but too unwilling to accept change.

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I also believe that he is skilled but not the best, but putting other council members like Mundi and Secura is plain rediculous.

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Originally posted by Count Kent
and was able to outclass and toy with his master

I don't remember Anakin outclassing or toying with Obi-Wan at any point during their duel, they were evenly matched and stalemated each other continuously throughout. I agree that the reason he lost was his arrogance, because he could not believe that Obi-Wan could (or infact would) beat him

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Did you miss the part where he was chokeing the hell out of Obi-Wan, or when he was breathing normally while Obi-Wan was panting?

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Originally posted by Count Kent
I also believe that he is skilled but not the best, but putting other council members like Mundi and Secura is plain rediculous.

Why?
Ki-Adi Mundi was hardly my favorite character, but, he was still an exceptional lightsaber duelist. In Clone Wars, he was able to duel one on one with Grievous (who was at that point undamaged and 'in his prime'😉 and although he didn't actually beat Grievous, he was able to hold him off till the ARCs turned up.
I admit, Aayla is a bit more of an unknown quantity, but in the EU she's shown to be a capable duelist (took down Aura Sing who was herself, a Jedi hunter) She only went down so easily to the clones because she was a) taken by surprize while b) already distracted by something, so it's not surprizing she was caught totally off guard. Seeing as she was one of the few to survive the Battle of Geonosis, I suspect she would have faired better in a more fair fight.

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Originally posted by Count Kent
Did you miss the part where he was chokeing the hell out of Obi-Wan, or when he was breathing normally while Obi-Wan was panting?

Once more, a case of Anakin the wifebeater resorting to chickenshit fist fighting rather than duelling. The fact he's ten years younger than Obi-Wan would be why he was less taxed by the encounter. Didn't prevent him getting his arm and legs cut off though, did it. When Obi-Wan and Anakin were in the controll room and actually duelling and then tried to Force push each other, each stalemated the other.

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Mundi was one of the least powerful jedi masters, as well as Secura in the whole SW saga. Wow he was able to desperately fend off Grievous' attacks, Obi-Wan was able to completely own him and Anakin was above Obi-Wan, you're dumb if you don't think so. Mundi was only on the council for his wisdom, he was a diplomat, nothing else. He hadn't even mastered lightsaber combat or the force and was weak in terms of combat. He got completely owned by clones and he has never displayed anything that would make you think he was more powerful then Anakin.

And Padme also survived Geonosis, she must rock.

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Originally posted by Count Kent
Mundi was one of the least powerful jedi masters, as well as Secura in the whole SW saga.

Still good enough to hold off Grievous in peak condition...

Originally posted by Count Kent
Wow he was able to desperately fend off Grievous' attacks

Which was more than any other Jedi in Clone Wars were able to do...

Originally posted by Count Kent
Obi-Wan was able to completely own him

Because when Obi-Wan faced Grievous, Grievous was damaged and ****ed up by Mace's Force Choke. In Clone Wars, he held off five Jedi using only two lightsabers. He only detatched his arms at the very end as a surprize advantage against the Ithorian Jedi and his Fuzzy chum. When he was confronted by Anakin and Obi-Wan, he didn't even engage them, but instead ran away. When he then faced Obi-Wan one on one, he had to detatch his arms and use four lightsabers, so his combat skills had clearly been damaged and reduced from what they had been in Clone Wars, when Mundi was still able to at least hold him off.

Originally posted by Count Kent
and Anakin was above Obi-Wan, you're dumb if you don't think so.

Anakin might have been younger than Obi-Wan and had a stronger connection to the Force, but he was not above Obi-Wan in terms of all round fighting and Jedi Prowess. Who ultimately lost the fight between them? Anakin. When they then fought each other on the Death Star, Obi-Wan held him off untill he chose to stop fighting to let Vader strike him down so he could become one with the Force. Obi-Wan might not have been 'more powerfull' in the Top Trumps way of judging things, but he always came out on top of Anakin in a situation.

Originally posted by Count Kent
Mundi was only on the council for his wisdom, he was a diplomat, nothing else. He hadn't even mastered lightsaber combat or the force and was weak in terms of combat.

Again, who was the Jedi left standing from the encounter with General Grievous in Clone Wars?

He got completely owned by clones[/B]

Which Jedi weren't??!! They were all (apart from Yoda, who probably overheard the communique) taken completely by surprize because the clones were simply following a legitimate executive order from their commander in cheif (Palpatine), so there was no malicious intent, which is why the Jedi were unable to pick up on it sooner. Obi-Wan only survived because the canon missed him and he was able to survive the fall. Ki-Adi Mundi was one of the only Jedi to actually block the clone's initial attack, and that was because he happened to be looking directly at them, he was just overwhelmed by sheer numbers. A group of people firing automatic weapons at one person does not constitute 'owning' them, and is as chickenshit as the moves Anakin pulled on Dooku and Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Count Kent
he has never displayed anything that would make you think he was more powerful then Anakin.

I never said he was more powerful than Anakin, but he was clearly a more skilled Jedi than the ones Mace took with him to arrest Palpatine.

Originally posted by Count Kent
And Padme also survived Geonosis, she must rock.

By having Anakin at her side and protecting her... Yes, she displayed some initiative and was by no means a bystander in the fight, but, at that point, Aayla was just a background character (like the ones who got killed) so her character survival must have been due to skill (although being played by a scantilly clad hot chick probably helped) rather than having to survive for plot continuity.

Razielim KGB

Obi-Wan stretched out the fight until Anakin did something stupid. Anakin lost because Kenobi knew all of his moves and because he was emotionally blinded and overwhelemed by grief. He couldn't concentrate when Padme turned against him. Obi-Wan won (don't get me wrong, he was the greater warrior due to him controlling his emotions and using his resources), but Anakin was the more skilled fighter even while emotionally blinded and overwhelmed by grief ("This is the end for you my master". Anakin looks fine and Obi-Wan is panting like crazy).

The only people above/near Anakin are Yoda, Dooku, Mace, Emperor and Kenobi.

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Originally posted by Razielim
Obi-Wan stretched out the fight until Anakin did something stupid.

Partly because he was a better tactician than Anakin, but also because Anakin could not (and never did) overpower him (chickenshit fist fighting not counting)

Originally posted by Razielim
Anakin lost because Kenobi knew all of his moves and because he was emotionally blinded and overwhelemed by grief. He couldn't concentrate when Padme turned against him. Obi-Wan won, but Anakin was the more skilled fighter even while emotionally blinded and overwhelemed by grief

And Obi-Wan was completely unnaffected by the slaughter of the Younglings at the Temple? You could hear his voice breaking with distress when he spoke of it to Padme, so he was clearly as upset about that as Anakin was about the events with Padme, so they would be just as relevent to the fight.
Why would Anakin be overwheled by grief?
What was he grieving?
He was just pissed off that he thought his wife was supporting someone else rather than him, (so he started being a chickenshit wifebeater) and according to Count Dooku, anger should have actually made him more powerfull.

Count Dooku
You have hate. You have anger. But you do not use them...

In Shadow Hunter, I believe Maul also channeled his anger to increase his power, so Anakin being pissed off should actually have helped him, but it didn't, because he could had no control over his temper.

Originally posted by Razielim
Anakin looks fine and Obi-Wan is panting like crazy).

As I said before, Anakin was sixteen years younger than Obi-Wan, is it any wonder he was in better physical condition?
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Razielim KGB

And Obi-Wan was completely unnaffected by the slaughter of the Younglings at the Temple? You could hear his voice breaking with distress when he spoke of it to Padme, so he was clearly as upset about that as Anakin was about the events with Padme, so they would be just as relevent to the fight.

Of course not, but Obi-Wan has far better control over his emotions. This contributed to his victory and the fact that he was the better fighter.

Why would Anakin be overwheled by grief? What was he grieving? He was just pissed off that he thought his wife was supporting someone else rather than him, and according to Count Dooku, that should have actually made him more powerfull.

His wife that he did all this crap for just left him. That indeed could have made him mad, but Anakin has been trained as a peaceful Jedi and has no real Sith training. Does he know how to control his anger yet? Was his anger really helping him?

As I said before, Anakin was sixteen years younger than Obi-Wan, is it any wonder he was in better physical condition?

Yep, and he's also 30 years younger than Mace.