Originally posted by jrodslam
If it stated earlier that he cut it all off, then maybe you should show that. What exactly does the power gem do? Does it only give the potential for infinite strength only? Or does it also enhance other attributes such as durability or powers.
Within the power gem there is a source of infinite physical strength that the user can tap as desired. It enhances all physical attributes.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Nice scan slade. Ive always wanted to see the whole fight. HOWEVER where does it say that Thanos cut off ALL the power of the Infinity Gauntlet? Im no genius, but it stated "diminished" and "dampened". That doesnt mean he totaly cut off the IG's power. It means he lowered it, but is still using some of its power.
Slade makes up his own stories.
Then call others" dishonest" 😆
Because Slade said so, THANOS TURNED OFF THE GAUNTLET everyone!
Originally posted by jrodslam
I hear you but people are making it seem as if as soon as you get the power gem, your strength is automatically enhanced to infinate. Meaning youre stronger than ALL. Dont you have to learn the properties of the gems and how to use them to their full capacity? Like stated before, users with certain gems have been bested by others in the field of that said power.
The power gem works like the Hulk, nix the anger. It is a pool of limitless strength. Using it, you can become as strong as you wish to be. Not infinitely strong.
It's like having a bank acount with infinite money in it. You can withdraw $100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars, but you can't withdraw $infinity.
Originally posted by jrodslam
If it stated earlier that he cut it all off, then maybe you should show that. What exactly does the power gem do? Does it only give the potential for infinite strength only? Or does it also enhance other attributes such as durability or powers.
I don't have the comic -- or a scanner in any event. But he specifically states that he is cutting off all the other gems, and retaining only the power gem. He (or possibly mephisto) then says something along the lines of "this will leave them with a .1% chance of victory."
As for the power gem has been shown to have two primary powers:
1. Strength
2. Durability
The other ability it seems to have, related to durability, is to cause feedback on individuals attacking the wielder. So, for exmaple, thanos turned the gardener's pwoer back on himself when gardener tried to turn him into a tree. And in blood and thunder, wm thor KO'd warlock and strange instantly by causing feedback in their combined magical/soul attack.
All the other powers are thanos' own, and consistent with other showings. For example, thanos has transmuted a skrull into stone with a wave of his hand. ANd he has created dimensional portals, both for himself and others, on many occasions -- both with and without tech.
Originally posted by slade10
Ok, this is becoming pure idiocy. It is understood virtually everywhere, including in commentary by the marvel writers, that this is thanos with only the power gem.But debating with you on points that would be OBVIOUS to anyone who knows anything about these characters is just stupid. You make things up to support your position, and you edit pictures of necessary information, then come up with ad hoc excuses as to why you did so.
As I said in previous threads, and as I repeated here, arguing with you is close to pointless. You're worse than a politician.
Blah Blah Blah ...*Slade voice* People don't agree with me, so I'll go insulting and whining about them *Slade voice off*
The only one who's made stuff up here is you buddy. You arguments consisted of facial expressions, and discoving the soul gems. 😆
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Within the power gem there is a source of infinite physical strength that the user can tap as desired. It enhances all physical attributes.
So if a cl 10 character gets the power gem, will they automatically be able to tap into its source of infinite physical strength and be stronger than say Hulk, Thor, etc? Or do they have to have it for a while to learn how to do so?
And you say it enhances all physical attributes? Strength, speed, stamina and durability only?
Originally posted by jrodslam
So if a cl 10 character gets the power gem, will they automatically be able to tap into its source of infinite physical strength and be stronger than say Hulk, Thor, etc? Or do they have to have it for a while to learn how to do so?And you say it enhances all physical attributes? Strength, speed, stamina and durability only?
If J. Jonah Jameson had the Power Gem, (assuming he knows how to use it,) he could body slam Thor or Hulk with one arm tied behind his back. However, he would never have "infinite strength" He would have access to infinite power, but his strength, no matter how great, would be a finite value.
Logically, the Power Gem would only affect speed to a limited degree (due to leg strength.) It mainly affects strength, durability, and stamina.
Originally posted by jrodslam
So if a cl 10 character gets the power gem, will they automatically be able to tap into its source of infinite physical strength and be stronger than say Hulk, Thor, etc? Or do they have to have it for a while to learn how to do so?And you say it enhances all physical attributes? Strength, speed, stamina and durability only?
They have to learn how to use it, but it is not some arcane artifcat that only strange/thanos types can use. Drax has been the primary wielder, and he is quite possibly the dumbest character in comics. The power gem has not been held by a weak character (thanos, drax, champion are all planet busters), but presumably it should boost anyone infinitely. Though, as you say, this is probably a gradual process similar to hulk's anger.
Stamina and durabily are to me the same. And there is no speed boost. That is for the space gem.
Originally posted by slade10
They have to learn how to use it, but it is not some arcane artifcat that only strange/thanos types can use. Drax has been the primary wielder, and he is quite possibly the dumbest character in comics. The power gem has not been held by a weak character (thanos, drax, champion are all planet busters), but presumably it should boost anyone infinitely. Though, as you say, this is probably a gradual process similar to hulk's anger.Stamina and durabily are to me the same. And there is no speed boost. That is for the space gem.
There would logically be some form of a speed boost, slade. Leg strength is what allows the Hulk to run at such high velocities. Possibly Superman as well.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
There would logically be some form of a speed boost, slade. Leg strength is what allows the Hulk to run at such high velocities.
True. relative to the space gem (which allows one to warp space to cover vast distnaces in an instant) , however, the speed boost is infiinitessimally small.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If J. Jonah Jameson had the Power Gem, (assuming he knows how to use it,) he could body slam Thor or Hulk with one arm tied behind his back. However, he would never have "infinite strength" He would have access to infinite power, but his strength, no matter how great, would be a finite value.
I see. So youd have to know how to use the gem(s) in order to manifest its power. Its not a automatic thing like say the Uni-Power or Gem of Cytorak. Correct?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Logically, the Power Gem would only affect speed to a limited degree (due to leg strength.) It mainly affects strength, durability, and stamina.
If thats the case and Thanos was still using the Power Gem, then this arguement should be over. Considering IF he COMPLETELY shut down the other gems, but had full access to the Power Gem. Theres nothing to debate here. Especially the fact that Thanos is 100x stronger than Thor.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I see. So youd have to know how to use the gem(s) in order to manifest its power. Its not a automatic thing like say the Uni-Power or Gem of Cytorak. Correct?If thats the case and Thanos was still using the Power Gem, then this arguement should be over. Considering IF he COMPLETELY shut down the other gems, but had full access to the Power Gem. Theres nothing to debate here. Especially the fact that Thanos is 100x stronger than Thor.
Exactly.
Which confuses me. I still don't know what they're arguing about. If Thanos was using the Power Gem, he could be a gazillion times stronger than just about anyone.
Originally posted by jrodslam
If thats the case and Thanos was still using the Power Gem, then this arguement should be over. Considering IF he COMPLETELY shut down the other gems, but had full access to the Power Gem. Theres nothing to debate here. Especially the fact that Thanos is 100x stronger than Thor.
I was not citing this as a strength feat for precisely that reason. Avalon was making a broader point about thanos' supposed weakness, and posted a bunch of scans from this fight to that effect. Which is laughable, considering the outcome.
If you think he's using the infinity gauntlet even a bit, this should be a decisise victory. He could simply stop time with the time gem, or blink them out of existence with the reality gem, or move at speeds surpassing even the surfer with the space gem, and no one woudl be able to harm him.
The argument for strength is quite simple:
1. Thanos was clocking warrior madness thor with the power gem.
2. Thanos has never had a bad showing in a physical fight, including a fistfight with tyrant, who is galactus' equal or superior.
To see the full details, go to page 4.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Exactly.Which confuses me. I still don't know what they're arguing about. If Thanos was using the Power Gem, he could be a gazillion times stronger than just about anyone.
I think it all started with slade saying Thanos was 100x stronger than Thor. Obviously people didnt agree with that.
Originally posted by slade10
I was not citing this as a strength feat for precisely that reason. Avalon was making a broader point about thanos' supposed weakness, and posted a bunch of scans from this fight to that effect. Which is laughable, considering the outcome.If you think he's using the infinity gauntlet even a bit, this should be a decisise victory. He could simply stop time with the time gem, or blink them out of existence with the reality gem, or move at speeds surpassing even the surfer with the space gem, and no one woudl be able to harm him.
The argument for strength is quite simple:
1. Thanos was clocking warrior madness thor with the power gem.
2. Thanos has never had a bad showing in a physical fight, including a fistfight with tyrant, who is galactus' equal or superior.To see the full details, go to page 4.
Now these are good points.
I'd agree that Thanos is stronger than Thor, but just how much stronger is never made obvious.
Originally posted by slade10
The argument for strength is quite simple:1. Thanos was clocking warrior madness thor with the power gem.
2. Thanos has never had a bad showing in a physical fight, including a fistfight with tyrant, who is galactus' equal or superior.
Are you saying that because Thor was "warrior madness" AND had the "Power Gem", he should be immovable? If another 80cl + character were to hit him, he shouldnt budge at all? Thanos punching him around doesnt show that Thanos is super strong. Especially not 100x stronger.
Id agree with you saying that Thanos doesnt really have bad showings in fights, but that may be due to his durability in being able to take so much punishment.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Are you saying that because Thor was "warrior madness" AND had the "Power Gem", he should be immovable? If another 80cl + character were to hit him, he shouldnt budge at all? Thanos punching him around doesnt show that Thanos is super strong. Especially not 100x stronger.Id agree with you saying that Thanos doesnt really have bad showings in fights, but that may be due to his durability in being able to take so much punishment.
What I am saying is that thor at ~1000x stregnth cannot brace hiimself from a head-on blow. And in fact is getting knocked onto his ass, and smashed into the ground. This strongly suggests at least comparable strength.
If thanos were hitting him in the back, or surprise-attacking him (as is true of many characters in the IG fight against thanos above), then that would be a more debatable conclusion. As it wouldn't be strength-on-strenght but rather strength-on-weight.
But this is a 1on1 fistfight, with blows straight to the face and body. If thor at 1000x is 100x or 500x stronger than thanos, he should be able to, by strength alone, prevent thanos from grabbing him by the head and smashing him into the floor. Just as an ant would not be able to grab you by your neck and smash you into the floor -- particularly if you are standing their prepared for the ant's attack.
My own view is that thanos' strength, like hulk's or (possibly) a skyfatther's, is essentially limitless. He amps himself up with cosmic energy to whatever extent is necessary. That is the only way he could compete with power gem wielders and tyrant in physical battles. He boviously starts at much higher strenght than hulk, however, and it must grow at a much faster rate (possibly instantly).
anyway, i'm outta here. nice discussion, everyone